[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

Sat Sep 17 10:56:57 EDT 2016

It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem.

I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved.

It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story"

Julian

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen at tadhgcooke.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

guys

i had overheating problems

i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
back to the swirl tank  and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
top bleed screw

so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
to it

then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets
and wired them directly from the battery  to the relays

i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder

i removed that and fitted a new stat

now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
195f   in all conditions

my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
steady and i know what to expect

very happy with result

owen cooke

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>     3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
>     4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
>     5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
>     6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
>     7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
>     8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
>     9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
>    10.  McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
>    11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC at gmail.com>
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>
> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
> #4348
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>,
>        "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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> Jack,
>
> Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm not going to change it
> now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with it.  So keep posting and
> I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> ??
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>
> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
> #4348
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>     Jack,
>     Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm
>     not going to change it
>     now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with
>     it.  So keep posting and
>     I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
>     Terry
>
>     "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
>      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
>     Terry W. Himes
>
>     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
>     Dawn Spacecraft Team
>
>     Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
>     Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
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>     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>     of Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta at gmail.com>
>     Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>     To: "[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>     <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Cc: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>     <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>
>     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
>     about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
>     since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
>     have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't
>     broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol.
>     There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it
>     right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
>     "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven".
>     Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are
>     suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
>     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's
>     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
>     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
>     me.
>     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>     jack
>     #4348
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> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
> From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> Message-ID: <6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2 at comcast.net>
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> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>
> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>
> Roy
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> To: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>,  "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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> What size wheel up front?
> ?LSJ
>
> central wines-spirits?? est 1934
>
> 625 e street nw
> washington, dc 20004
> centralwines.com
>
> facebook.com/CentralLiquors
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> 202-737-2800
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>        From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>
> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>
> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>
> Roy
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>     What size wheel up front?
>
>     LSJ
>     central
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>     625 e street nw
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>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
>     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
>     give
>     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>     Roy
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable - and more repairable (which I like).
> jack
>
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm not going to change it
>> now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with it.  So keep posting and
>> I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>>   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> ??
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com <mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
>> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>
>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>> jack
>> #4348
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> -------------- next part --------------
>     Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a
>     Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front.
>     Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine
>     who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says
>     it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one
>     for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
>     (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
>     "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable - and more
>     repairable (which I like).
>
>     jack
>
>     On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
>     <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>     Jack,
>     Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm
>     not going to change it
>     now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with
>     it.  So keep posting and
>     I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
>     Terry
>     "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>     Terry W. Himes
>     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>     Dawn Spacecraft Team
>     Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>     Phone: (818) 393-6261
>     Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>     Fax:     (818) 393-3147
>     [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>     From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>     of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta at gmail.com>
>     Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>     To: "[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>     <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Cc: "[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>     <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
>     about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
>     since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
>     have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't
>     broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol.
>     There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it
>     right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
>     "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven".
>     Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are
>     suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
>     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's
>     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
>     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
>     me.
>     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>     jack
>     #4348
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: GR2835 at comcast.net
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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> There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website, thanks.
>
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, GR2835 at comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the fan controller button on their website.
>> I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air set on the warmest setting.
>> Good luck
>> Gerry in Illinois
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>>
>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>> jack
>> #4348
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
> From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Message-ID: <D4018324.17A0EF%larrys at panteraparts.com>
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>
> Hi Jack,
>
> You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our
> Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds for a
> full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our half
> Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
> 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
> 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00
> 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
>
>
>
> If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator
> tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud under
> those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90 degree
> molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
>
> Larry Stock
>
> Pantera Parts Connection LC
> 550 Mallory Way
> Carson City NV 89701
> www.PanteraParts.com<http://www.PanteraParts.com>
> PH  775-283-4411
> Fax 775-283-4410
> Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators
>> - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
>> brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit
>> it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am
>> fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an
>> ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran
>> my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the
>> Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
>> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
>> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
>> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and
>> Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they
>> said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match
>> for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part
>> number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
>> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>> jack
>> #4348
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> Message-ID:
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> Good afternoon!
>
> Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is
> Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
> fantastic experience with them on another performance car application.
>
> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>
> Thank you!!
> -------------- next part --------------
>     Good afternoon!
>     Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
>     say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've
>     had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car
>     application.
>     [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>     Thank you!!
>
> References
>
>     1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>,
>        "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
> Message-ID: <1796334072.2409059.1474054066544 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Jack,
> ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
> https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/primary-fans.html
>
>        From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
>   To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>
> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about? radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
> jack
> #4348
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> -------------- next part --------------
>     Jack,
>         You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
>     [1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ
>     ersal/primary-fans.html
>       __________________________________________________________________
>
>     From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
>     To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
>     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
>     radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
>     wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
>     admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat broke,
>     but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol. There
>     really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it right
>     now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
>     abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be atried-and-provena.
>     Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but they are
>     suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda  -
>     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
>     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the Flex-a-liteas
>     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
>     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
>     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
>     me.
>     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
>     jack
>     #4348
>     _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso]  McLeod hydraulic throw out
> Message-ID: <6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;     charset=utf-8
>
> Cullen,
>
> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
>
> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>
> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>
> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>
> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
>
> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again.
>
> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves.
>
> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details.
>
> Larry
>
> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
> From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> To: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> Message-ID: <37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
> They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
> wide.
>
> On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>> What size wheel up front?
>> LSJ
>>
>> /*central */
>> /*wines-spirits   est 1934
>> */
>> /*
>> */
>> /*625 e street nw
>> */
>> /*washington, dc 20004*/
>> /*
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>> */
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
>> *To:* detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>> *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>
>> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
>> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>
>> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
>> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>
>> Roy
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>     Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
>     They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
>     wide.
>
>     On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>
>     What size wheel up front?
>
>     LSJ
>     central
>     wines-spirits   est 1934
>     625 e street nw
>     washington, dc 20004
>     [1]centralwines.com
>     [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>     202-737-2800
>       __________________________________________________________________
>
>     From: MyCars [3]<mycars at comcast.net>
>     To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
>     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
>     give
>     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>     Roy
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
> From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
> Message-ID: <013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>
> I just checked Weld's website
> http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html
>
> They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide
>
>
> On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
>>      Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
>>      They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
>>      wide.
>>
>>      On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>>
>>      What size wheel up front?
>>
>>      LSJ
>>      central
>>      wines-spirits   est 1934
>>      625 e street nw
>>      washington, dc 20004
>>      [1]centralwines.com
>>      [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
>>      202-737-2800
>>        __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>      From: MyCars [3]<mycars at comcast.net>
>>      To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>      Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
>>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>>      I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
>>      rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>>      I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
>>      give
>>      the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>>      Thanks in advance for your thoughts
>>      Roy
>>      _______________________________________________
>>      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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>     I just checked Weld's website
>     [1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.
>     html
>     They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9"
>     wide
>
>     On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
>
>     Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
>     They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
>     wide.
>
>     On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
>
>     What size wheel up front?
>
>     LSJ
>     central
>     wines-spirits   est 1934
>     625 e street nw
>     washington, dc 20004
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>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
>     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
>     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
>     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
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>     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
>     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For
>        Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> Message-ID: <D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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> Wow.
>
> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>
> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>
> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>
> --
> Will
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> Cullen,
>>
>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>
>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>
>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>
>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>
>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
>>
>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>
>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>> road for themselves.
>>
>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>> details.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
>        Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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> Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have
> one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for
> several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new"
> but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about
> fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive
> experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield,
> bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago.
> Havent had a lick of trouble.  (knocking on wood now).
>
> the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch
> fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a
> bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the
> past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
>
> however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P
> car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use
> the factory unit.  Thank you sir.
>
> Cullen
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow.
>>
>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>
>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>
>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cullen,
>>>
>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>
>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>
>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>
>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>
>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
>>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
>>>
>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>
>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>> road for themselves.
>>>
>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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>     Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I
>     have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there
>     for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that
>     was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to
>     inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to
>     "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance
>     clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and
>     that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A  (knocking
>     on wood now).
>     the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch
>     fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive
>     had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in
>     the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
>     however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up
>     my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not
>     to use the factory unit.A  Thank you sir.
>     Cullen
>
>     On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
>     <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>       Wow.
>       I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>       My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>       available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
>       building a new
>       bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>       At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>       --
>       Will
>       On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>
>     <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>     >Cullen,
>     >
>     >2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
>     in
>     >2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>     recently
>     >did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>     >and ordered directly from McLeod.
>     >
>     >My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>     >
>     >The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>     >spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
>     had
>     >on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
>     fitting
>     >where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>     >course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>     >attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
>     up
>     >very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>     >
>     >The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>     >outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>     >
>     >Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
>     kit
>     >I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>     invoice.
>     >What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
>     which
>     >uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
>     that
>     >for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>     >exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
>     a
>     >A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
>     company.
>     >No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
>     generations.
>     >
>     >While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
>     task
>     >of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>     >unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
>     the
>     >transaxle and start all over again.
>     >
>     >The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
>     has
>     >been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>     >Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>     >experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>     >road for themselves.
>     >
>     >Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>     >details.
>     >
>     >Larry
>     >
>     >Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
> From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Larry Finch
>        <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For Posting
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
> Message-ID: <D401A883.17A144%larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="EUC-KR"
>
> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
> Larry
>
> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow.
>>
>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>
>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>
>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cullen,
>>>
>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>
>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>
>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>
>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>
>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
>>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
>>>
>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>
>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>> road for themselves.
>>>
>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> Message-ID: <C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> All,
>
> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>
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>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>
>>    Rob,
>>
>>    If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
>>    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable.
>>    It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web
>>    site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>
>>    Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt
>>    tensioning a breeze.
>>
>>    [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>
>> References
>>
>>    1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
>        "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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> Mike,
>
>
> It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear.
>
> Julian
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: David Nunn
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> All,
>
> Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>
> [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>
>>    Rob,
>>
>>    If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
>>    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable.
>>    It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web
>>    site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>
>>    Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt
>>    tensioning a breeze.
>>
>>    [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>
>> References
>>
>>    1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
> [http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
>
> Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
> www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ...
>
>
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>     Mike,
>
>     It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
>     that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
>     adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
>     the rear.
>     Julian
>       __________________________________________________________________
>
>     From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>     Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>     To: David Nunn
>     Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
>     All,
>     Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
>     is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
>     kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>     [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>     Mike
>     Sent from my iPhone
>     On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>     >   Rob,
>     >
>     >   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
>     >   eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>     adjustable.
>     >   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
>     web
>     >   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>     >
>     >   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>     belt
>     >   tensioning a breeze.
>     >
>     >   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>     >
>     > References
>     >
>     >   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>     [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>     [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>     www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
>     Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
>     this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
>     the bracket to tighten in ...
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>     1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>     2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>     3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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> Julian,
>
> Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>    Mike,
>>
>>    It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
>>    that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
>>    adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
>>    the rear.
>>    Julian
>>      __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>    Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>>    To: David Nunn
>>    Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>
>>    All,
>>    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
>>    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
>>    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>    [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>>>   Rob,
>>>
>>>   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
>>>   eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>    adjustable.
>>>   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
>>    web
>>>   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>>
>>>   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>>    belt
>>>   tensioning a breeze.
>>>
>>>   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>>    [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>>    www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
>>    Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
>>    this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
>>    the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>    1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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> Heat?
>
> As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the McLeod systems.
>
> Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care.
>
> Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in my many years of experience.
>
> I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.
>
> Larry
>
> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
>> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
>> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
>> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
>> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
>> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>> Larry
>>
>> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>>
>>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
>>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>>
>>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cullen,
>>>>
>>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
>>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
>>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>>
>>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
>>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
>>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>>
>>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
>>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
>>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
>>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
>>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
>>>> A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
>>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
>>>>
>>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
>>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
>>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>>
>>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
>>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>>> road for themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
>        Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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> well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to
> mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
>> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
>> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
>> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
>> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
>> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>> Larry
>>
>> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>>>
>>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
>>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>>>
>>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cullen,
>>>>
>>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
>>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
>>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
>>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
>>>>
>>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>>>>
>>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
>>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
>>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
>>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
>>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
>>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
>>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>>>>
>>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
>>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
>>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
>>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
>>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
>>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
>>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
>>>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
>>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.
>>>>
>>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
>>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
>>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
>>>> transaxle and start all over again.
>>>>
>>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
>>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
>>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
>>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
>>>> road for themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
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>     well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to
>     mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
>
>     On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
>     <[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
>       The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
>       ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
>       using a
>       Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
>       DeTomaso
>       Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
>       vendors
>       offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
>       the bell
>       housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
>       Larry
>       On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
>       <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>       [3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>       >Wow.
>       >
>       >I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
>       >
>       >My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
>       >available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
>       building a new
>       >bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
>       >
>       >At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
>       >
>       >--
>       >Will
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
>       ><[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>       >
>       >>Cullen,
>       >>
>       >>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
>       it in
>       >>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
>       recently
>       >>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
>       with
>       >>and ordered directly from McLeod.
>       >>
>       >>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
>       >>
>       >>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
>       snout
>       >>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
>       still had
>       >>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
>       fitting
>       >>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
>       unseen of
>       >>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
>       line
>       >>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
>       hold up
>       >>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
>       >>
>       >>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
>       sticking
>       >>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
>       >>
>       >>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
>       rebuild kit
>       >>I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
>       invoice.
>       >>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
>       which
>       >>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
>       determined that
>       >>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
>       used
>       >>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
>       such as a
>       >>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
>       company.
>       >>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
>       generations.
>       >>
>       >>While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
>       the task
>       >>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
>       and
>       >>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
>       pull the
>       >>transaxle and start all over again.
>       >>
>       >>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
>       as has
>       >>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
>       fine.
>       >>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
>       on my
>       >>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
>       that
>       >>road for themselves.
>       >>
>       >>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
>       gory
>       >>details.
>       >>
>       >>Larry
>       >>
>       >>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
> From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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> Hi All,
> I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.  Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission.  Manual or
> automatic, either one.  It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an
> open road race some time.  That?s the reason for the overdrive.
>
> I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well.
> What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
>
> Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> Michael
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
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> -------------- next part --------------
>     Hi All,
>
>     I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn since
>     1961 and only has 25k miles,
>
>     but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
>     Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>
>     remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
>     Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>
>     I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
>     overdrive transmission.  Manual or
>
>     automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
>     regularly and would likely be run in an
>
>     open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
>
>
>     I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
>     what would work well.
>
>     What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
>
>
>     Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
>     Michael
>
>
>     Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
> From: "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>
> To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'Julian Kift'"
>        <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> Message-ID: <003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Julian,
>
> Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with
> both IPSCO items installed.
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> Julian,
>
> Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only
> had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that
> replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>    Mike,
>>
>>    It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
>>    that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
>>    adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
>>    the rear.
>>    Julian
>>      __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>    Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>>    To: David Nunn
>>    Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>
>>    All,
>>    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
>>    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
>>    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>>    [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>>>   Rob,
>>>
>>>   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
>>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>>    adjustable.
>>>   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
>>    web
>>>   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>>
>>>   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>>    belt
>>>   tensioning a breeze.
>>>
>>>   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>>   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>    [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>>    [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>>    www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
>>    Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
>>    this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
>>    the bracket to tighten in ...
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>>    2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
> From: bill <bill at incendium.com>
> To: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>,
>        "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
> Message-ID: <asutxkibtwmp20w9x9fxrayp.1474064813467 at email.android.com>
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> Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?
>
>
>
> CheersBill MooreCalgary
> -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com> Date: 2016-09-16  3:46 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
> Hi All,
> I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
> but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
> remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
> I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission.? Manual or
> automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an
> open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.
>
> I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well.
> What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
>
> Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> Michael
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
>
> ?? Hi All,
>
> ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since
> ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,
>
> ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
> ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>
> ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
> ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>
> ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
> ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or
>
> ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used
> ?? regularly and would likely be run in an
>
> ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive.
>
>
> ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
> ?? what would work well.
>
> ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
>
>
> ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
> ?? Michael
>
>
> ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>
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>     Michael:
>
>     Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Bill Moore
>
>     Calgary
>
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
>     Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
>     To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
>
>     Hi All,
>     I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn since
>     1961 and only has 25k miles,
>     but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
>     Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>     remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
>     Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>     I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
>     overdrive transmission.  Manual or
>     automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
>     regularly and would likely be run in an
>     open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
>     I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
>     what would work well.
>     What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
>     Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>     Michael
>     Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>     Windows 10
>        Hi All,
>        I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
>     since
>        1961 and only has 25k miles,
>        but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
>        Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
>        remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
>        Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
>        I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
>     an
>        overdrive transmission.  Manual or
>        automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
>        regularly and would likely be run in an
>        open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
>        I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
>        what would work well.
>        What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
>        Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>        Michael
>        Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
> From: bill <bill at incendium.com>
> To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
>        'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> Message-ID: <twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Wow !,,,,
> That looks to nice to cover up.....
>
>
>
>
> CheersBill MooreCalgary
> -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net> Date: 2016-09-16  4:04 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
> Julian,
>
> Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with
> both IPSCO items installed.
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
> Julian,
>
> Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only
> had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that
> replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ?? Mike,
>>
>> ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
>> ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
>> ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
>> ?? the rear.
>> ?? Julian
>> ???? __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>> ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>> ?? To: David Nunn
>> ?? Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>>
>> ?? All,
>> ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
>> ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
>> ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>> ?? [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>> ?? Mike
>> ?? Sent from my iPhone
>> ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>>> ? Rob,
>>>
>>> ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It?
>>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>> ?? adjustable.
>>> ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
>> ?? web
>>> ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>>>
>>> ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>> ?? belt
>>> ? tensioning a breeze.
>>>
>>> ? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> ? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>> ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>> ?? www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
>> ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
>> ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
>> ?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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>> ?? 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>> ?? 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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>     Wow !,,,,
>
>     That looks to nice to cover up.....
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Bill Moore
>
>     Calgary
>
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>
>     Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
>     To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift'
>     <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>
>     Julian,
>     Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
>     with
>     both IPSCO items installed.
>     David
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
>     Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
>     To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>     Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>     Julian,
>     Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but
>     only
>     had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
>     that
>     replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
>     Mike
>     Sent from my iPhone
>     On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>     >   Mike,
>     >
>     >   It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
>     one
>     >   that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
>     was
>     >   adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
>     on
>     >   the rear.
>     >   Julian
>     >
>     __________________________________________________________________
>     >
>     >   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>     of
>     >   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     >   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
>     >   To: David Nunn
>     >   Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
>     >
>     >   All,
>     >   Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
>     there
>     >   is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
>     firewall
>     >   kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
>     >
>     [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
>     >   Mike
>     >   Sent from my iPhone
>     >   On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
>     >>  Rob,
>     >>
>     >>  If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
>     It
>     >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
>     >   adjustable.
>     >>  It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
>     >   web
>     >>  site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
>     >>
>     >>  Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
>     >   belt
>     >>  tensioning a breeze.
>     >>
>     >>  [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>     >>
>     >> References
>     >>
>     >>  1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
>     >   [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
>     >   [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
>     >   www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
>     >   Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
>     Pulley,
>     >   this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
>     behind
>     >   the bracket to tighten in ...
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   It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system,
   although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed
   most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of
   the problem.

   I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated
   in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
   swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup.
   When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it
   was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and
   voila heating issues resolved.

   It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big
   $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about
   these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way
   of a good story"

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Owen Cooke <owen at tadhgcooke.com>
   Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

   guys
   i had overheating problems
   i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
   back to the swirl tank  and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
   top bleed screw
   so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
   to it
   then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock
   brackets
   and wired them directly from the battery  to the relays
   i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
   i removed that and fitted a new stat
   now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
   195f   in all conditions
   my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
   steady and i know what to expect
   very happy with result
   owen cooke
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   >     1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
   >     2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))
   >     3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
   >     4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
   >     5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
   >     6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
   >     7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
   >     8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
   >     9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
   >    10.  McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
   >    11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
   >    12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
   >    13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)
   >    14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
   >    15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock)
   >    16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
   >    17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift)
   >    18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
   >    19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
   >    20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
   >    21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier)
   >    22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn)
   >    23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill)
   >    24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill)
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   > Message: 1
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
   > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
   > To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   > Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC at gmail.com>
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   >
   > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
   wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
   but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
   really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
   now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
   > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
   are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.
   > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   > jack
   > #4348
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 2
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
   > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>,
   >        "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   > Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > Jack,
   >
   > Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
   I'm not going to change it
   > now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
   with it.  So keep posting and
   > I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
   >
   > Terry
   >
   >
   >
   > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >
   > Terry W. Himes
   > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   > Dawn Spacecraft Team
   > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   > Phone: (818) 393-6261
   > Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   > Fax:     (818) 393-3147
   > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[3]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > ??
   >
   > From: DeTomaso
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
   r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue
   <demongusta at gmail.com<mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
   > Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   > To:
   "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   om>"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   om>>
   > Cc:
   "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   om>"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   om>>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >
   > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
   wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
   but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
   really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
   now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
   > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
   are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.
   > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   > jack
   > #4348
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   >     Jack,
   >     Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new
   fans.  I'm
   >     not going to change it
   >     now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
   with
   >     it.  So keep posting and
   >     I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
   >     Terry
   >
   >     "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >
   >      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >
   >     Terry W. Himes
   >
   >     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >
   >     Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >
   >     Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >
   >     Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >
   >     Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   >
   >     Fax:     (818) 393-3147
   >
   >     [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >
   >     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   >     of Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta at gmail.com>
   >     Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >     To: "[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >     <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Cc: "[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >     <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >
   >     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
   >     about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
   radiator,
   >     since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike
   Drew, I
   >     have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
   ain't
   >     broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
   but...Lol.
   >     There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
   mention it
   >     right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they
   will
   >     "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
   "tried-and-proven".
   >     Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
   they are
   >     suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
   >     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
   Flex-a-lite's
   >     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
   is a
   >     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   >     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
   for
   >     me.
   >     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >     jack
   >     #4348
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   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
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   > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   > Message-ID: <6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2 at comcast.net>
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   >
   > I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
   the
   > rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >
   > I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
   give
   > the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >
   > Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >
   > Roy
   >
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 4
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
   > From: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
   > To: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>,  "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   > Message-ID: <1287234121.1004140.1474045730621 at mail.yahoo.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > What size wheel up front?
   > ?LSJ
   >
   > central wines-spirits?? est 1934
   >
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   > washington, dc 20004
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   >
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   >
   > 202-737-2800
   >
   >
   >
   >        From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
   >   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >
   > I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
   the
   > rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >
   > I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
   give
   > the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >
   > Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >
   > Roy
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   >     What size wheel up front?
   >
   >     LSJ
   >     central
   >     wines-spirits   est 1934
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   >     From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
   >     To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
   for the
   >     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   would
   >     give
   >     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >     Roy
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   >
   > Message: 5
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
   > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
   > To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   > Message-ID: <09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a
   Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front.
   Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine
   who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says
   it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one
   for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
   (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
   ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable - and more
   repairable (which I like).
   > jack
   >
   >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
   <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
   >>
   >> Jack,
   >>
   >> Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
   I'm not going to change it
   >> now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
   with it.  So keep posting and
   >> I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
   >>
   >> Terry
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >>   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >>
   >> Terry W. Himes
   >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >> Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >> Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   >> Fax:     (818) 393-3147
   >> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov <[19]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   >> ??
   >>
   >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   <[20]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
   Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com <[21]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com>>
   >> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <[22]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <[23]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   >> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <[24]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <[25]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>
   >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
   wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
   but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
   really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
   now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
   >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
   are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.
   >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >> jack
   >> #4348
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   >     Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a
   >     Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in
   front.
   >     Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of
   mine
   >     who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud -
   says
   >     it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST
   get one
   >     for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good
   -
   >     (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
   >     "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable -
   and more
   >     repairable (which I like).
   >
   >     jack
   >
   >     On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
   >     <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
   >
   >     Jack,
   >     Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new
   fans.  I'm
   >     not going to change it
   >     now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
   with
   >     it.  So keep posting and
   >     I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
   >     Terry
   >     "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >     Terry W. Himes
   >     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >     Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >     Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >     Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >     Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   >     Fax:     (818) 393-3147
   >     [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >     From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   >     of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta at gmail.com>
   >     Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >     To: "[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >     <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Cc: "[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >     <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
   >     about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall
   radiator,
   >     since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike
   Drew, I
   >     have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It
   ain't
   >     broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that,
   but...Lol.
   >     There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to
   mention it
   >     right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they
   will
   >     "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be
   "tried-and-proven".
   >     Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but
   they are
   >     suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
   >     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the
   Flex-a-lite's
   >     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
   is a
   >     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   >     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
   for
   >     me.
   >     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >     jack
   >     #4348
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   > References
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   >     1. [29]mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >     2. [30]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >     3. [31]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   >     4. [32]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
   >     5. [33]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     6. [34]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     7. [35]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     8. [36]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     9. [37]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >    10. [38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 6
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
   > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
   > To: GR2835 at comcast.net
   > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   > Message-ID: <2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   >
   > There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I
   wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website,
   thanks.
   >
   >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, GR2835 at comcast.net wrote:
   >>
   >> Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the
   fan controller button on their website.
   >> I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air
   conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made
   and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile
   traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get
   through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward
   Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air
   set on the warmest setting.
   >> Good luck
   >> Gerry in Illinois
   >> ----- Original Message -----
   >> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
   >> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC)
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >>
   >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
   wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
   but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
   really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
   now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
   >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
   are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.
   >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >> jack
   >> #4348
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   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 7
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
   > From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   > To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
   > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   > Message-ID: <D4018324.17A0EF%larrys at panteraparts.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="ISO-8859-1"
   >
   > Hi Jack,
   >
   > You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have
   our
   > Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds
   for a
   > full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our
   half
   > Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >    11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
   > 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
   > 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3
   $125.00
   > 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00
   >
   >
   >
   > If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard
   radiator
   > tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud
   under
   > those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90
   degree
   > molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.
   >
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > Pantera Parts Connection LC
   > 550 Mallory Way
   > Carson City NV 89701
   > [40]www.PanteraParts.com
   > PH  775-283-4411
   > Fax 775-283-4410
   > Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
   > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >> Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   radiators
   >> - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
   >> brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit
   >> it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but
   I am
   >> fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is
   an
   >> ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but
   I ran
   >> my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but
   the
   >> Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
   >> Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
   are
   >> suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   >> sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and
   >> Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since
   they
   >> said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect
   match
   >> for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a
   part
   >> number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
   >> So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >> jack
   >> #4348
   >> _______________________________________________
   >>
   >>
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   >
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 8
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
   > From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
   > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
   > Message-ID:
   >
   <CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg at mail.gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > Good afternoon!
   >
   > Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
   say is
   > Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
   > fantastic experience with them on another performance car
   application.
   >
   > [42]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
   >
   > Thank you!!
   > -------------- next part --------------
   >     Good afternoon!
   >     Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
   they
   >     say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience?
   I've
   >     had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car
   >     application.
   >     [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
   >     Thank you!!
   >
   > References
   >
   >     1. [43]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 9
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
   > From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   > To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>,
   >        "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   > Message-ID: <1796334072.2409059.1474054066544 at mail.yahoo.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   >
   > Jack,
   > ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
   >
   [44]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/uni
   versal/primary-fans.html
   >
   >        From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
   >   To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >
   > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about?
   radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
   wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
   but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
   really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
   now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
   > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
   are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.
   > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   > jack
   > #4348
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   >     Jack,
   >         You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
   >
   [1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ
   >     ersal/primary-fans.html
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >     From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
   >     To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   >     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
   >     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   >     radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
   since I
   >     wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
   have to
   >     admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat
   broke,
   >     but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There
   >     really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it
   right
   >     now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   >     abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be
   atried-and-provena.
   >     Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but
   they are
   >     suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda  -
   >     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah,
   SPAL,
   >     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the
   Flex-a-liteas
   >     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that
   is a
   >     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   >     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal
   for
   >     me.
   >     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
   >     jack
   >     #4348
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   versal/primary-fans.html
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   > Message: 10
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
   > From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
   > To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso]  McLeod hydraulic throw out
   > Message-ID: <6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156 at aol.com>
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   >
   > Cullen,
   >
   > 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
   in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
   spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >
   > My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >
   > The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
   spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
   on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
   where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
   course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
   attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
   very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >
   > The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
   outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >
   > Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
   kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing
   McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no
   suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem
   within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the
   first two generations.
   >
   > While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
   task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull the transaxle and start all over again.
   >
   > The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
   has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that road for themselves.
   >
   > Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory details.
   >
   > Larry
   >
   > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 11
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
   > From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
   > To: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   > Message-ID: <37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234 at comcast.net>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
   >
   > Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
   > They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
   9.5"
   > wide.
   >
   > On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
   >> What size wheel up front?
   >> LSJ
   >>
   >> /*central */
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   >> */
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   >> */
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   <[50]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors>
   >> */
   >> /*
   >> */
   >> /*202-737-2800*/
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
   -
   >> *From:* MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
   >> *To:* detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >> *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>
   >> I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for
   the
   >> rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >>
   >> I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
   give
   >> the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>
   >> Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>
   >> Roy
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   >     Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
   area.
   >     They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
   9.5"
   >     wide.
   >
   >     On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
   >
   >     What size wheel up front?
   >
   >     LSJ
   >     central
   >     wines-spirits   est 1934
   >     625 e street nw
   >     washington, dc 20004
   >     [1]centralwines.com
   >     [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
   >     202-737-2800
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >     From: MyCars [3]<mycars at comcast.net>
   >     To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
   for the
   >     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   would
   >     give
   >     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >     Roy
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   >     3. [55]mailto:mycars at comcast.net
   >     4. [56]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   > Message: 12
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
   > From: MyCars <mycars at comcast.net>
   > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   > Message-ID: <013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb at comcast.net>
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   >
   > I just checked Weld's website
   >
   [59]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar
   .html
   >
   > They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9"
   wide
   >
   >
   > On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
   >>      Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
   area.
   >>      They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are
   about 9.5"
   >>      wide.
   >>
   >>      On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
   >>
   >>      What size wheel up front?
   >>
   >>      LSJ
   >>      central
   >>      wines-spirits   est 1934
   >>      625 e street nw
   >>      washington, dc 20004
   >>      [1]centralwines.com
   >>      [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
   >>      202-737-2800
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>      From: MyCars [3]<mycars at comcast.net>
   >>      To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>      Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >>      Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >>      I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
   for the
   >>      rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >>      I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   would
   >>      give
   >>      the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >>      Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >>      Roy
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   >>      2. [61]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors
   >>      3. [62]mailto:mycars at comcast.net
   >>      4. [63]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   >     I just checked Weld's website
   >
   [1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.
   >     html
   >     They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are
   9"
   >     wide
   >
   >     On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
   >
   >     Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego
   area.
   >     They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about
   9.5"
   >     wide.
   >
   >     On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
   >
   >     What size wheel up front?
   >
   >     LSJ
   >     central
   >     wines-spirits   est 1934
   >     625 e street nw
   >     washington, dc 20004
   >     [1]centralwines.com
   >     [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
   >     202-737-2800
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >     From: MyCars [3][2]<mycars at comcast.net>
   >     To: [[3]4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   >     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
   >     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires
   for the
   >     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
   >     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This
   would
   >     give
   >     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
   >     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
   >     Roy
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   >     9. [75]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >    10. [76]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   >
   > Message: 13
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
   > From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For
   >        Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
   > Message-ID: <D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="ISO-8859-1"
   >
   > Wow.
   >
   > I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >
   > My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
   > available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building
   a new
   > bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >
   > At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >
   > --
   > Will
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> Cullen,
   >>
   >> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
   in
   >> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   recently
   >> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >> and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>
   >> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>
   >> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
   >> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
   had
   >> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
   >> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
   >> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
   up
   >> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>
   >> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
   >> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>
   >> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild kit
   >> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   invoice.
   >> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
   which
   >> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
   that
   >> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
   >> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
   as a
   >> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   company.
   >> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>
   >> While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
   task
   >> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull the
   >> transaxle and start all over again.
   >>
   >> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
   has
   >> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
   my
   >> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >> road for themselves.
   >>
   >> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >> details.
   >>
   >> Larry
   >>
   >> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >> _______________________________________________
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   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 14
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
   > From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > Cc: Email List Address For Posting
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
   >        Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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   > Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will,
   I have
   > one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there
   for
   > several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was
   "new"
   > but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire
   about
   > fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a
   positive
   > experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a
   scattershield,
   > bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago.
   > Havent had a lick of trouble.  (knocking on wood now).
   >
   > the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
   clutch
   > fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive
   had a
   > bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the
   > past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
   >
   > however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up
   my P
   > car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to
   use
   > the factory unit.  Thank you sir.
   >
   > Cullen
   >
   > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
   <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   >> Wow.
   >>
   >> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>
   >> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
   >> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building
   a new
   >> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>
   >> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>
   >> --
   >> Will
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>
   >>> Cullen,
   >>>
   >>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it in
   >>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   recently
   >>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>>
   >>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>>
   >>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
   had
   >>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
   >>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold up
   >>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>>
   >>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
   >>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>>
   >>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild kit
   >>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   invoice.
   >>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
   which
   >>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined that
   >>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
   as a
   >>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   company.
   >>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>>
   >>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the task
   >>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull the
   >>> transaxle and start all over again.
   >>>
   >>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
   has
   >>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
   my
   >>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>> road for themselves.
   >>>
   >>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>> details.
   >>>
   >>> Larry
   >>>
   >>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>> _______________________________________________
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   >     Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like
   Will, I
   >     have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been
   there
   >     for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one
   that
   >     was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod
   to
   >     inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just
   to
   >     "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance
   >     clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions
   and
   >     that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A
   (knocking
   >     on wood now).
   >     the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the
   clutch
   >     fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and
   ive
   >     had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables
   breaking in
   >     the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
   >     however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I
   set up
   >     my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I
   choose not
   >     to use the factory unit.A  Thank you sir.
   >     Cullen
   >
   >     On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
   >     <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >       Wow.
   >       I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >       My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   readily
   >       available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
   >       building a new
   >       bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >       At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >       --
   >       Will
   >       On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >
   >     <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >     >Cullen,
   >     >
   >     >2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
   purchased it
   >     in
   >     >2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   >     recently
   >     >did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
   spoke with
   >     >and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >     >
   >     >My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >     >
   >     >The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >     >spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still
   >     had
   >     >on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
   >     fitting
   >     >where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
   unseen of
   >     >course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
   hard line
   >     >attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold
   >     up
   >     >very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >     >
   >     >The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >     >outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >     >
   >     >Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild
   >     kit
   >     >I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   >     invoice.
   >     >What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   unit
   >     which
   >     >uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined
   >     that
   >     >for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >     >exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   such as
   >     a
   >     >A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   >     company.
   >     >No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   >     generations.
   >     >
   >     >While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the
   >     task
   >     >of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
   exacting and
   >     >unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull
   >     the
   >     >transaxle and start all over again.
   >     >
   >     >The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as
   >     has
   >     >been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >     >Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >     >experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
   down that
   >     >road for themselves.
   >     >
   >     >Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
   the gory
   >     >details.
   >     >
   >     >Larry
   >     >
   >     >Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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   > References
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   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 15
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
   > From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   > To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Larry Finch
   >        <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Email List Address For Posting
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
   > Message-ID: <D401A883.17A144%larrys at panteraparts.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="EUC-KR"
   >
   > The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
   > ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
   using a
   > Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
   DeTomaso
   > Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
   vendors
   > offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the
   bell
   > housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
   > Larry
   >
   > On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >> Wow.
   >>
   >> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>
   >> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
   >> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building
   a new
   >> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>
   >> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>
   >> --
   >> Will
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>
   >>> Cullen,
   >>>
   >>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it in
   >>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   recently
   >>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>>
   >>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>>
   >>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
   had
   >>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
   >>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold up
   >>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>>
   >>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
   >>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>>
   >>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild kit
   >>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   invoice.
   >>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
   which
   >>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined that
   >>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such
   as a
   >>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   company.
   >>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>>
   >>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the task
   >>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull the
   >>> transaxle and start all over again.
   >>>
   >>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
   has
   >>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on
   my
   >>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>> road for themselves.
   >>>
   >>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>> details.
   >>>
   >>> Larry
   >>>
   >>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>> _______________________________________________
   >>>
   >>>
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   >
   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 16
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
   > From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>
   > Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   > Message-ID: <C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62 at aol.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >
   > All,
   >
   > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
   there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >
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   >
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
   >
   >>    Rob,
   >>
   >>    If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
   It
   >>    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   adjustable.
   >>    It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's web
   >>    site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>
   >>    Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
   belt
   >>    tensioning a breeze.
   >>
   >>    [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >>    1. [92]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >> _______________________________________________
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   >
   > Message: 17
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
   > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   > To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
   >        "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   > Message-ID:
   >
   <CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30 at CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.prod.out
   look.com>
   >
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
   >
   > Mike,
   >
   >
   > It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
   one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
   was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
   on the rear.
   >
   > Julian
   > ________________________________
   > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   > To: David Nunn
   > Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >
   > All,
   >
   > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
   there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >
   > [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
   >
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
   >
   >>    Rob,
   >>
   >>    If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
   It
   >>    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   adjustable.
   >>    It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's web
   >>    site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>
   >>    Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
   belt
   >>    tensioning a breeze.
   >>
   >>    [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >>    1. [94]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >
   [[95]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://ww
   w.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
   >
   > Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
   ...<[96]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
   > [97]www.ipsco.org
   > Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
   this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
   the bracket to tighten in ...
   >
   >
   >
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   >     Mike,
   >
   >     It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
   the one
   >     that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
   but was
   >     adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
   on
   >     the rear.
   >     Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >     From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   >     Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >     To: David Nunn
   >     Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >
   >     All,
   >     Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
   there
   >     is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall
   >     kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >
   [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
   >     Mike
   >     Sent from my iPhone
   >     On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
   >     >   Rob,
   >     >
   >     >   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   kit. It
   >     >   eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >     adjustable.
   >     >   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >     web
   >     >   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >     >
   >     >   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
   and
   >     belt
   >     >   tensioning a breeze.
   >     >
   >     >   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >     >
   >     > References
   >     >
   >     >   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >     [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >     [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
   >     [100]www.ipsco.org
   >     Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   Pulley,
   >     this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
   behind
   >     the bracket to tighten in ...
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   >     1. [101]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >     2. [102]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >     3. [103]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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   >
   > Message: 18
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
   > From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   > Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   > Message-ID: <7B7EDC5D-6016-45F7-B580-31A839921366 at aol.com>
   > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset=us-ascii
   >
   > Julian,
   >
   > Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
   but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
   idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >>    Mike,
   >>
   >>    It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
   the one
   >>    that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
   but was
   >>    adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
   on
   >>    the rear.
   >>    Julian
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   >>    Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >>    To: David Nunn
   >>    Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>
   >>    All,
   >>    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
   there
   >>    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall
   >>    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >>
   [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
   >>>   Rob,
   >>>
   >>>   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
   It
   >>>   eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>    adjustable.
   >>>   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >>    web
   >>>   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>>
   >>>   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
   >>    belt
   >>>   tensioning a breeze.
   >>>
   >>>   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>
   >>> References
   >>>
   >>>   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >>    [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
   >>    [107]www.ipsco.org
   >>    Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   Pulley,
   >>    this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
   behind
   >>    the bracket to tighten in ...
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   >> References
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   >>    1. [108]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    2. [109]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    3. [110]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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   >
   > Message: 19
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
   > From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
   > To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
   > Message-ID: <78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9 at aol.com>
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   >
   > Heat?
   >
   > As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the
   McLeod systems.
   >
   > Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the
   hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an
   inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care.
   >
   > Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a
   plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in
   my many years of experience.
   >
   > I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a
   failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.
   >
   > Larry
   >
   > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >
   >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   wrote:
   >>
   >> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
   >> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
   using a
   >> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
   DeTomaso
   >> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
   vendors
   >> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
   the bell
   >> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
   >> Larry
   >>
   >> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   >> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   >> will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >>
   >>> Wow.
   >>>
   >>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>>
   >>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
   >>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than
   building a new
   >>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>>
   >>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>>
   >>> --
   >>> Will
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>> Cullen,
   >>>>
   >>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it in
   >>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   recently
   >>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>>>
   >>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>>>
   >>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still had
   >>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
   of
   >>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold up
   >>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>>>
   >>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>>>
   >>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild kit
   >>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   invoice.
   >>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
   which
   >>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined that
   >>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   such as a
   >>>> A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   company.
   >>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>>>
   >>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the task
   >>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull the
   >>>> transaxle and start all over again.
   >>>>
   >>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as has
   >>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>>> road for themselves.
   >>>>
   >>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>>> details.
   >>>>
   >>>> Larry
   >>>>
   >>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>>> _______________________________________________
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   >
   > Message: 20
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
   > From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>
   > To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   > Cc: Email List Address For Posting
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
   >        Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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   >
   > well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot
   to
   > mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
   >
   > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
   <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   >> The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
   >> ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
   using a
   >> Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
   DeTomaso
   >> Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
   vendors
   >> offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
   the bell
   >> housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
   >> Larry
   >>
   >> On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   >> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   >> will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >>
   >>> Wow.
   >>>
   >>> I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >>>
   >>> My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
   >>> available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than
   building a new
   >>> bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >>>
   >>> At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >>>
   >>> --
   >>> Will
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>> Cullen,
   >>>>
   >>>> 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
   it in
   >>>> 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
   recently
   >>>> did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
   with
   >>>> and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >>>>
   >>>> My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >>>>
   >>>> The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
   snout
   >>>> spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   still had
   >>>> on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90?
   fitting
   >>>> where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen
   of
   >>>> course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
   line
   >>>> attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
   hold up
   >>>> very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >>>>
   >>>> The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   sticking
   >>>> outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >>>>
   >>>> Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   rebuild kit
   >>>> I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
   invoice.
   >>>> What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
   which
   >>>> uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   determined that
   >>>> for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
   used
   >>>> exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
   such as a
   >>>> ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
   company.
   >>>> No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   generations.
   >>>>
   >>>> While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
   the task
   >>>> of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
   and
   >>>> unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
   pull the
   >>>> transaxle and start all over again.
   >>>>
   >>>> The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
   as has
   >>>> been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
   fine.
   >>>> Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
   on my
   >>>> experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
   that
   >>>> road for themselves.
   >>>>
   >>>> Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
   gory
   >>>> details.
   >>>>
   >>>> Larry
   >>>>
   >>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
   >>>> _______________________________________________
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   >     well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I
   forgot to
   >     mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.
   >
   >     On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
   >     <[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   >       The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and
   not
   >       ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance
   is
   >       using a
   >       Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
   >       DeTomaso
   >       Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that
   some
   >       vendors
   >       offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top
   of
   >       the bell
   >       housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
   >       Larry
   >       On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   >       <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   >       [3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
   >       >Wow.
   >       >
   >       >I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
   >       >
   >       >My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was
   readily
   >       >available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
   >       building a new
   >       >bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
   >       >
   >       >At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
   >       >
   >       >--
   >       >Will
   >       >
   >       >
   >       >
   >       >
   >       >
   >       >On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
   >       ><[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >       >
   >       >>Cullen,
   >       >>
   >       >>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I
   purchased
   >       it in
   >       >>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and
   most
   >       recently
   >       >>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I
   spoke
   >       with
   >       >>and ordered directly from McLeod.
   >       >>
   >       >>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
   >       >>
   >       >>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect
   input
   >       snout
   >       >>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
   >       still had
   >       >>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its
   90ADEG
   >       fitting
   >       >>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
   >       unseen of
   >       >>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the
   hard
   >       line
   >       >>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines
   don't
   >       hold up
   >       >>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
   >       >>
   >       >>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
   >       sticking
   >       >>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
   >       >>
   >       >>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
   >       rebuild kit
   >       >>I had previously used, using the same number off of the
   previous
   >       invoice.
   >       >>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current
   unit
   >       which
   >       >>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
   >       determined that
   >       >>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod
   has
   >       used
   >       >>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no
   suffix
   >       such as a
   >       >>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within
   the
   >       company.
   >       >>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
   >       generations.
   >       >>
   >       >>While you have some experience in using one of these
   previously,
   >       the task
   >       >>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite
   exacting
   >       and
   >       >>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do
   but
   >       pull the
   >       >>transaxle and start all over again.
   >       >>
   >       >>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings
   and
   >       as has
   >       >>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works
   just
   >       fine.
   >       >>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and
   based
   >       on my
   >       >>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture
   down
   >       that
   >       >>road for themselves.
   >       >>
   >       >>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of
   the
   >       gory
   >       >>details.
   >       >>
   >       >>Larry
   >       >>
   >       >>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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   > Message: 21
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
   > From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
   > To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   >        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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   > Hi All,
   > I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
   since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
   > but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
   Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   > remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
   Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   > I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
   an overdrive transmission.  Manual or
   > automatic, either one.  It won?t be drag raced but will be used
   regularly and would likely be run in an
   > open road race some time.  That?s the reason for the overdrive.
   >
   > I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
   what would work well.
   > What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
   >
   > Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   > Michael
   >
   > Sent from Mail<[129]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
   for Windows 10
   >
   > -------------- next part --------------
   >     Hi All,
   >
   >     I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
   since
   >     1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >
   >     but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
   >     Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >
   >     remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   complete
   >     Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >
   >     I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
   want an
   >     overdrive transmission.  Manual or
   >
   >     automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
   >     regularly and would likely be run in an
   >
   >     open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
   >
   >
   >     I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   wondering
   >     what would work well.
   >
   >     What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
   >
   >
   >     Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >
   >     Michael
   >
   >
   >     Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
   >
   > References
   >
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   >
   > ------------------------------
   >
   > Message: 22
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
   > From: "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>
   > To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "'Julian Kift'"
   >        <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   > Message-ID: <003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net>
   > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   >
   > Julian,
   >
   > Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
   with
   > both IPSCO items installed.
   >
   > David
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Mike Drew [[131]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
   > Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
   > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   > Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >
   > Julian,
   >
   > Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
   but only
   > had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
   that
   > replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >>    Mike,
   >>
   >>    It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
   the one
   >>    that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
   but was
   >>    adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
   on
   >>    the rear.
   >>    Julian
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   >>    Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >>    To: David Nunn
   >>    Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>
   >>    All,
   >>    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
   there
   >>    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall
   >>    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >>
   [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
   >>>   Rob,
   >>>
   >>>   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
   It
   >>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >>    adjustable.
   >>>   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >>    web
   >>>   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>>
   >>>   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
   >>    belt
   >>>   tensioning a breeze.
   >>>
   >>>   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>
   >>> References
   >>>
   >>>   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >>    [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
   >>    [132]www.ipsco.org
   >>    Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   Pulley,
   >>    this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
   behind
   >>    the bracket to tighten in ...
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   >>    1. [133]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    2. [134]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>    3. [135]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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   > Message: 23
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
   > From: bill <bill at incendium.com>
   > To: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>,
   >        "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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   >
   > Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?
   >
   >
   >
   > CheersBill MooreCalgary
   > -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier
   <red3644 at hotmail.com> Date: 2016-09-16  3:46 PM  (GMT-07:00) To:
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need
   transmission suggestions
   > Hi All,
   > I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
   since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
   > but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.?
   Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   > remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
   Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   > I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
   an overdrive transmission.? Manual or
   > automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used
   regularly and would likely be run in an
   > open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.
   >
   > I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
   what would work well.
   > What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
   >
   > Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   > Michael
   >
   > Sent from Mail<[140]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
   for Windows 10
   >
   >
   > ?? Hi All,
   >
   > ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn
   since
   > ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >
   > ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
   > ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >
   > ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
   > ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >
   > ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
   want an
   > ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or
   >
   > ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used
   > ?? regularly and would likely be run in an
   >
   > ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive.
   >
   >
   > ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   wondering
   > ?? what would work well.
   >
   > ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?
   >
   >
   > ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >
   > ?? Michael
   >
   >
   > ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
   >
   > References
   >
   > ?? 1. [141]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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   >     Michael:
   >
   >     Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.
   >
   >     Cheers
   >
   >     Bill Moore
   >
   >     Calgary
   >
   >     -------- Original message --------
   >     From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
   >     Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
   >     To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
   >
   >     Hi All,
   >     I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
   since
   >     1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >     but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
   >     Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >     remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   complete
   >     Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >     I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
   want an
   >     overdrive transmission.  Manual or
   >     automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
   >     regularly and would likely be run in an
   >     open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
   >     I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   wondering
   >     what would work well.
   >     What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
   >     Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >     Michael
   >     Sent from
   Mail<[143]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
   >     Windows 10
   >        Hi All,
   >        I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a
   barn
   >     since
   >        1961 and only has 25k miles,
   >        but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted
   out.
   >        Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
   >        remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a
   complete
   >        Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
   >        I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and
   want
   >     an
   >        overdrive transmission.  Manual or
   >        automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be
   used
   >        regularly and would likely be run in an
   >        open road race some time.  That's the reason for the
   overdrive.
   >        I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was
   wondering
   >        what would work well.
   >        What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
   >        Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
   >        Michael
   >        Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
   >     References
   >        1. [144]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
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   >
   > Message: 24
   > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
   > From: bill <bill at incendium.com>
   > To: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>, 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
   >        'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   > Message-ID:
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   >
   > Wow !,,,,
   > That looks to nice to cover up.....
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > CheersBill MooreCalgary
   > -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>
   Date: 2016-09-16  4:04 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew'
   <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com> Cc:
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden
   Compressors noises
   > Julian,
   >
   > Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
   with
   > both IPSCO items installed.
   >
   > David
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Mike Drew [[146]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
   > Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
   > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   > Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >
   > Julian,
   >
   > Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications
   but only
   > had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
   that
   > replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> ?? Mike,
   >>
   >> ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again,
   the one
   >> ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location,
   but was
   >> ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
   on
   >> ?? the rear.
   >> ?? Julian
   >> ????
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   >> ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >> ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >> ?? To: David Nunn
   >> ?? Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >> ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >>
   >> ?? All,
   >> ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
   there
   >> ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   firewall
   >> ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >> ??
   [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
   >> ?? Mike
   >> ?? Sent from my iPhone
   >> ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net> wrote:
   >>> ? Rob,
   >>>
   >>> ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
   It?
   >>> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >> ?? adjustable.
   >>> ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >> ?? web
   >>> ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >>>
   >>> ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
   >> ?? belt
   >>> ? tensioning a breeze.
   >>>
   >>> ? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >>>
   >>> References
   >>>
   >>> ? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >> ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >> ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
   >> ?? [147]www.ipsco.org
   >> ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   Pulley,
   >> ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
   behind
   >> ?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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   >> ?? 1. [148]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >> ?? 2. [149]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >> ?? 3. [150]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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   >     Wow !,,,,
   >
   >     That looks to nice to cover up.....
   >
   >     Cheers
   >
   >     Bill Moore
   >
   >     Calgary
   >
   >     -------- Original message --------
   >     From: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>
   >     Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
   >     To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 'Julian Kift'
   >     <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >
   >     Julian,
   >     Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my
   engine,
   >     with
   >     both IPSCO items installed.
   >     David
   >     -----Original Message-----
   >     From: Mike Drew [[155]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
   >     Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
   >     To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >     Cc: David Nunn <dnunn at telus.net>;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >     Julian,
   >     Yes, he mentioned two different products for different
   applications but
   >     only
   >     had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the
   idler
   >     that
   >     replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
   >     Mike
   >     Sent from my iPhone
   >     On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >     >   Mike,
   >     >
   >     >   It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler
   again, the
   >     one
   >     >   that was previously linked appears to go in the stock
   location, but
   >     was
   >     >   adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a
   wrench
   >     on
   >     >   the rear.
   >     >   Julian
   >     >
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >     >
   >     >   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   >     of
   >     >   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     >   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
   >     >   To: David Nunn
   >     >   Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >     >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
   >     >
   >     >   All,
   >     >   Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup.
   Note
   >     there
   >     >   is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
   >     firewall
   >     >   kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
   >     >
   >
   [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f at namprd18.prod.outlook.com]
   >     >   Mike
   >     >   Sent from my iPhone
   >     >   On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>
   wrote:
   >     >>  Rob,
   >     >>
   >     >>  If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's
   kit.
   >     It
   >     >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
   >     >   adjustable.
   >     >>  It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on
   IPSCO's
   >     >   web
   >     >>  site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
   >     >>
   >     >>  Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation
   and
   >     >   belt
   >     >>  tensioning a breeze.
   >     >>
   >     >>  [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >     >>
   >     >> References
   >     >>
   >     >>  1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
   >     >   [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
   >     >   [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking
   ...
   >     >   [156]www.ipsco.org
   >     >   Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
   >     Pulley,
   >     >   this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a
   wrench
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   >     >   the bracket to tighten in ...
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