[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7

[cengles at cox.net]

Dear Larry,


              Dumb question: is your brace system available individually 
or only as a package?


                                  Curious,  Chuck Engles




On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:

> It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point
> Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment
> that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember 
> the
> rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension
> tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the
> attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my 
> Pantera
> together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to 
> does
> nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our 
> lower
> front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the 
> factory
> used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our 
> front
> brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross
> stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece 
> rocker
> Box panels. Larry
>
> On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>>   In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen at tadhgcooke.com writes:
>>
>>     I am new to Panteras  having bought one one year ago and reworked 
>> it
>>     extensively
>>     i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and
>>     therefore is poor on the handling side
>>     the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite
>>     wheels
>>     off the ground if you jack it from one corner
>>     i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further
>>     stiffening .
>>     the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use  but 
>> that
>>     is
>>     all in my opinion
>>     my car at least drives like a go-cart
>>
>>>>> Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without
>>   knowing what they are, that's not saying much.  1950s British
>>   roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this
>>   department. :>)
>>   The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely
>>   flexible.  Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how 
>> well
>>   the doors, or the decklid open.
>>   The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental
>>   weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber 
>> bar.
>>   The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with 
>> the
>>   top and bottom open, laid on its side.  Push on a corner and it 
>> just
>>   folds flat.  As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the
>>   adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this
>>   effect from happening.  The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an
>>   upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner.  (I'm 
>> only
>>   talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part).  As 
>> long
>>   as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a 
>> tremendous
>>   job of stiffening the rear of the car.
>>   http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg
>>   The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important, 
>> but
>>   you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole
>>   kit.
>>   The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust....
>>   Mike
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