[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Thu Sep 8 12:05:12 EDT 2016
Ditto for me.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of "cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>" <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>>
Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:58 AM
To: "larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>" <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Dear Larry,
Dumb question: is your brace system available individually
or only as a package?
Curious, Chuck Engles
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point
Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment
that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember
the
rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension
tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the
attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my
Pantera
together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to
does
nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our
lower
front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ³Splice² the
factory
used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our
front
brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross
stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece
rocker
Box panels. Larry
On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, owen at tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen at tadhgcooke.com> writes:
I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked
it
extensively
i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and
therefore is poor on the handling side
the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite
wheels
off the ground if you jack it from one corner
i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further
stiffening .
the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but
that
is
all in my opinion
my car at least drives like a go-cart
Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without
knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British
roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this
department. :>)
The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely
flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how
well
the doors, or the decklid open.
The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental
weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber
bar.
The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with
the
top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it
just
folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the
adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this
effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an
upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm
only
talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As
long
as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a
tremendous
job of stiffening the rear of the car.
http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg
The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important,
but
you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole
kit.
The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust....
Mike
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Ditto for me.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of "[3]cengles at cox.net" <[4]cengles at cox.net>
Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:58 AM
To: "[5]larrys at panteraparts.com" <[6]larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 7
Dear Larry,
Dumb question: is your brace system available
individually
or only as a package?
Curious, Chuck Engles
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Stock wrote:
It is the the lower front end of the Pantera that is the weakest point
Mike. The Upper front is well braced, it is the lower A-Arm attachment
that is left floundering. The Front affects the rear twist. Remember
the
rear sway bar affects the front end handling part of 101 suspension
tuning? I actually cracked (broke off) my front frame member at the
attaching points to the Cabin. The only thing that was holding my
Pantera
together was my frame brace system. The 4 piece system you refer to
does
nothing to reinforce this weakest point of the Pantera Frame. Our
lower
front stiffener is a 5 foot long X to cross brace the ^3Splice^2 the
factory
used to attach the front frame section to the cabin sheetmetal. Our
front
brace connects the two front frame rails to the cabin lateral (cross
stiffener under the front of the seats) that ties to the 3 piece
rocker
Box panels. Larry
On 9/7/16, 6:55 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
In a message dated 9/7/16 9 49 57, [11]owen at tadhgcooke.com writes:
I am new to Panteras having bought one one year ago and reworked
it
extensively
i am used to european cars and i know when a chassis twists and
therefore is poor on the handling side
the pantera is the only car i ever had that will lift 2 opposite
wheels
off the ground if you jack it from one corner
i believe it is an extremely stiff chassis and needs no further
stiffening .
the suspensions may of course need tuning for specific use but
that
is
all in my opinion
my car at least drives like a go-cart
Well, it may be stiffer than your other European cars, but without
knowing what they are, that's not saying much. 1950s British
roadsters, for instance, are no standard to judge against in this
department. :>)
The front of the Pantera is fairly rigid, but the rear is extremely
flexible. Try jacking a front corner off the ground and see how
well
the doors, or the decklid open.
The four-part chassis stiffening kit addresses this fundamental
weakness with the piece that replaces the stock engine bay camber
bar.
The wide open engine bay is rather like a square cardboard box with
the
top and bottom open, laid on its side. Push on a corner and it
just
folds flat. As long as the stock bar (or equivalent to include the
adjustable kind) is the only thing there, nothing will prevent this
effect from happening. The Hall and Byars kit piece consists of an
upper and lower bar, tied together in a parallogram manner. (I'm
only
talking about the top part of their kit, not the lower part). As
long
as the top part is affixed in all four places, it will do a
tremendous
job of stiffening the rear of the car.
[12]http://www.precisionproformance.com/pics/rigid4.jpg
The other three parts of the kit are arguably much less important,
but
you can't just buy the one you want/need; you have to buy the whole
kit.
The front half of my kit is still in the box, gathering dust....
Mike
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