[DeTomaso] Starting issues
Larry - Ohio Time
Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com
Wed Nov 16 18:11:36 EST 2016
Hi Charlie,
I would think the cause maybe the heat from the motor is soaking into the
carb when you turn off the motor, helping vaporize the fuel. This is not a
big problem.
If the fuel is running out of the carb and into a cylinder, it is washing
any oil off the rings and then working its way into your oil to dilute it.
Not the best thing for a motor but should be ok.
Now cranking for a long time thinking you are helping the motor build oil
pressure, is not a good thing. It has been said this caused much bearing
ware. I remember taking my Explorer back to the dealer complaining that the
motor revved to high as soon as it started. I was told that it is designed
that way to build oil pressure up faster. (?)
Larry (still cranking) - Cleveland
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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:25 AM
To: Larry - Ohio Time
Cc: Fred Sweeney; detomaso at server detomasolist. com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
This condition has been occurring to me for years and I've assumed it was
normal. After several weeks of sitting, the fuel in the bowls evaporates and
it takes some cranking to get the engine to fire. One way of "fixing" this
is to install an electric fuel pump, but that doesn't address the cause. If
the situation is only moderate, I sort of thought it was positive, as it
allows you to build oil pressure before the engine fires. Besides being
annoying if you need to make a fast getaway after being stopped for 3
months, is this harmful? What's the cause?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:
Fred,
You may have what was called leak down. The carb is no longer holding its
fuel. So when you go to start, it is dry. It will take some time to pump gas
into it as you crank the motor over. You do have a mechanical fuel pump
right?
To test this, let the cat sit for a few days. Look down into the carb as you
move the throttle linkage on the carb. You should see fuel squirting into
the carb if it is working right.
Larry (we all leak) - Cleveland
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
I usually pump the the accelerator once and crank to start a cold engine.
Lately, my car is very difficult to start after setting a few days. I was
told to crank it a while before setting the chock. My original carb was
rebuilt about two years ago by an old time shop. Please email me if you have
any advice. Thanks in advance. Fred
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:37:00 +0000
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result was
basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter and w/o
oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a comment of the
German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3 motors that where
absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
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> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
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[19]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:19]charlesmccall at gmail.
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>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter
and w/o oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a
comment of the German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3
motors that where absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
[13]<[13]charlesmccall at gmail. <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [[15]15]detomaso at server.
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> [18]<[18]detomaso-bounces@
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>> [[19]19]charlesmccall at gmail. <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:39:02 -0500
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions to
improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding a quart
or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine to run rich.
And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately warmed-up engine.
Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not too much) sometimes
helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie- J Deryke
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1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
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(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than 15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up - even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct, Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine performance
enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it simple!
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air flow
slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you should
definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the test
drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to videos on
Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil with K&N oil.
You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient temperatures,
so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it would
be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb -
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.
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>> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
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> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.
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>> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he block
in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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Charles McCall <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
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Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
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On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.
<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> detomasolist.com on behalf
of
> [7]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws. This
increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where you get
the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
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> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
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> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off with a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces@
<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6]http://w7tsc.org
> [7]http://www. <http://www.teampanteraracing.com> teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.
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of
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.
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<[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14]mailto:detomaso-
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> Of Asa Jay Laughton
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> To: [15]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17]http://www. <http://www.teampanteraracing.com>
teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18]detomaso-bounces at server.
<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> detomasolist.com on behalf
of
>> [19]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie-
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Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
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(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[23]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
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> Of Asa Jay Laughton
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[28]bounces at server. <mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
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>> [29]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy
to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[51]bounces at server. <mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
detomasolist.com on behalf of
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>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <[77]pantdino at aol.com>
To: [78]charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: [79]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
<[80]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [82]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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<mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
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Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
To: [3][85]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
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On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6]detomaso-[88]bounces@ <mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [7][89]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws.
This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where you
get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
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> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
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> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No,
I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <[124]Richard@
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To: "<[125]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When
my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off with
a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[130]marshallgsmith@
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<[131]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[132]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[135]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[140]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [142]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][143]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][144]http://www. <http://www.teampanteraracing.com>
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>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[145]bounces at server.
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>> [146]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173]bounces@
<mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com> server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Mike Reilly <[2][174]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3][175]marshallgsmith@
<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
<[4][176]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[5][177]charlesmccall at gmail. <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> com>
Cc: "<[6][178]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8][180]detomaso at server.
<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][181]detomaso at server.
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[10][182]charlesmccall at gmail.
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Cc: "<[11][183]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][185]charlesmccall at gmail. <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14][186]mailto:detomaso-
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bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [15][187]detomaso at server. <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16][188]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17][189]http://www. <http://www.teampanteraracing.com>
teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18]detomaso-[190]bounces@ <mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [19][191]charlesmccall at gmail. <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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detomasolist.com
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teampanteraracing.com/
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sbcglobal.net
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35. [252]http://w7tsc.org/
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:48:15 -0800
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: <jderyke at aol.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
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Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to half
turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
Larry
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie-
J Deryke
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Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.
<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> net>, Mike Drew
<[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol. <mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com> com>;
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use
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Hi Charlie,
I would think the cause maybe the heat from the motor is soaking into
the carb when you turn off the motor, helping vaporize the fuel. This
is not a big problem.
If the fuel is running out of the carb and into a cylinder, it is
washing any oil off the rings and then working its way into your oil to
dilute it. Not the best thing for a motor but should be ok.
Now cranking for a long time thinking you are helping the motor build
oil pressure, is not a good thing. It has been said this caused much
bearing ware. I remember taking my Explorer back to the dealer
complaining that the motor revved to high as soon as it started. I was
told that it is designed that way to build oil pressure up faster. (?)
Larry (still cranking) - Cleveland
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From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:25 AM
To: Larry - Ohio Time
Cc: Fred Sweeney; detomaso at server detomasolist. com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
This condition has been occurring to me for years and I've assumed it
was normal. After several weeks of sitting, the fuel in the bowls
evaporates and it takes some cranking to get the engine to fire. One
way of "fixing" this is to install an electric fuel pump, but that
doesn't address the cause. If the situation is only moderate, I sort of
thought it was positive, as it allows you to build oil pressure before
the engine fires. Besides being annoying if you need to make a fast
getaway after being stopped for 3 months, is this harmful? What's the
cause?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
<[1]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
Fred,
You may have what was called leak down. The carb is no longer holding
its
fuel. So when you go to start, it is dry. It will take some time to
pump gas
into it as you crank the motor over. You do have a mechanical fuel pump
right?
To test this, let the cat sit for a few days. Look down into the carb
as you
move the throttle linkage on the carb. You should see fuel squirting
into
the carb if it is working right.
Larry (we all leak) - Cleveland
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
I usually pump the the accelerator once and crank to start a cold
engine.
Lately, my car is very difficult to start after setting a few days. I
was
told to crank it a while before setting the chock. My original carb was
rebuilt about two years ago by an old time shop. Please email me if you
have
any advice. Thanks in advance. Fred
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:37:00 +0000
From: Roland <[10]willibillie at live.de>
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was
basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter and
w/o
oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a comment of
the
German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3 motors that
where
absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
it
simple!
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][36]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[13][37]charlesmccall@
gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To:
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detomaso at server.detomasolist.
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18][43]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
><mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.comonbehalfof>>
[19][44]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:[45]19][46]charlesmccall at gmail.
com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper
filter
and w/o oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a
comment of the German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about
Group 3
motors that where absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso [1]<[1][126]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on behalf
of Mike Reilly [2]<[2][127]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith [3]<[3][128]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
[4]<[4][129]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
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Cc: "[6]<[6][131]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
[7]<[7][132]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4][8]<[8][133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
[13]<[13][138]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [[15]15][140]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> [18]<[18][143]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
>> [[19]19][144]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:39:02 -0500
From: [314]jderyke at aol.com
To: [315]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Message-ID: <[316]15864599414-1159-97ca at webprd-a24.mail.aol.com>
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
to
improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding a
quart
or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine to run
rich.
And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately warmed-up
engine.
Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not too much) sometimes
helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie- J Deryke
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Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[323]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[324]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[326]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[327]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
<[328]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[329]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[330]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance
enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: marshallgsmith<mailto:[332]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<mailto:[333]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
McCall<mailto:[334]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc:
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow
slightly.
M
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[337]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[338]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[339]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should
definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the test
drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on
Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil with K&N
oil.
You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[341]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures,
so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would
be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I
can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines
tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little
for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[342]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [343]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [344]http://w7tsc.org
> [345]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[346]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [347]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[360]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[361]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[362]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[363]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[364]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[365]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:[366]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [367]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][368]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][369]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[370]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [371]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <[396]pantdino at aol.com>
To: [397]charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: [398]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
block
in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
<[400]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:[401]asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [402]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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Charles McCall <[1][403]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:[404]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
To: [3][405]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[4][406]http://w7tsc.org
[5][407]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6][408]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [7][409]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <[437]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Charles McCall <[438]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[439]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws.
This
increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where
you get
the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
<[441]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter
is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect
the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <[444]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: "<[445]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When
my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off
with a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Reilly <[449]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[457]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[460]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:[461]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [462]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[465]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [466]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[1][493]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Mike Reilly <[2][494]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3][495]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
<[4][496]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[5][497]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[6][498]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[7][499]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8][500]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][501]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[10][502]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11][503]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12][504]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][505]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14]mailto:[506]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [15][507]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16][508]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17][509]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18][510]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
>> [19][511]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
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re-testing.
Thanks
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before
adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the
engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck,
Charlie-
J Deryke
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Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Richard Greenblum)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5][590]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6][591]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more
than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it
once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more
or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The
last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7][593]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[8][594]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
<[9][595]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
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Cc: "<[11][597]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:[601]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
McCall<[16]mailto:[602]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[20][607]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[21][608]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[23][610]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[24]mailto:[611]detomaso-bounces@
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On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [25][612]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[28][615]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [29][616]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy
to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[43][631]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[44][632]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[45][633]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[46][634]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [48][636]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[51][639]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [52][640]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <[77][665]pantdino at aol.com>
To: [78][666]charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: [79][667]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
<[80][669]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have
a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to
the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15
minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible.
I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but
carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck
out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs
out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:[670]asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [82][671]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how
"warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,.....
Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle
for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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Charles McCall <[1][83][672]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[2][84]mailto:[673]detomaso-
bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
To: [3][85][674]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[4][86][675]http://w7tsc.org
[5][87][676]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6]detomaso-[88][677]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [7][89][678]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <[117][706]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Charles McCall <[118][707]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119][708]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle
screws.
This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where
you
get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
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> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
<[121][710]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter
is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition
of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have
to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No,
I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect
the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever
to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <[124][713]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: "<[125][714]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When
my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off
with
a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
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From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[140][729]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [142][731]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][143][732]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][144][733]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[145][734]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [146][735]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173][762]bounces@
server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Mike Reilly <[2][174][763]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3][175][764]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
<[4][176][765]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[5][177][766]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[6][178][767]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[7][179][768]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8][180][769]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][181][770]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[10][182][771]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11][183][772]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12][184][773]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][185][774]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14][186]mailto:[775]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [15][187][776]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16][188][777]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17][189][778]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18]detomaso-[190][779]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
>> [19][191][780]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:48:15 -0800
From: Larry Stock <[1118]larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: <[1119]jderyke at aol.com>, <[1120]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Message-ID: <[1121]D44F624C.16E55A%larrys at panteraparts.com>
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Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to
half
turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
Larry
On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
<[1122]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[1123]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before
adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the
engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck,
Charlie-
J Deryke
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Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Richard Greenblum)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5][1130]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6][1131]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more
than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it
once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more
or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The
last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7][1133]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[8][1134]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike
Drew
<[9][1135]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[10][1136]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11][1137]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12][1138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:[1140]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:[1141]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
McCall<[16]mailto:[1142]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc:
<[17][1143]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:[1144]d
etomaso at server.detom
[1145]asolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19][1146]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[20][1147]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[21][1148]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[22][1149]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use
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576. http://www.avg.com/
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781. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
782. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
783. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
784. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
785. http://www.avg.com/
786. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
787. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
788. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
789. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
790. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
791. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
792. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
793. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
794. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
795. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
796. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
797. http://w7tsc.org/
798. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
799. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
800. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
801. http://www.avg.com/
802. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
803. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
804. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
805. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
806. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
807. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
808. mailto:reillyms at live.com
809. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
810. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
811. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
812. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
813. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
814. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
815. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
816. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
817. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
818. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
819. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
820. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
821. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
822. http://w7tsc.org/
823. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
824. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
825. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
826. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
827. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
828. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
829. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
830. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
831. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
832. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
833. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
834. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
835. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
836. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
837. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
838. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
839. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
840. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
841. http://w7tsc.org/
842. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
843. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
844. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
845. http://www.avg.com/
846. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
847. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
848. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
849. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
850. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
851. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
852. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
853. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
854. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
855. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
856. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
857. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
858. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
859. mailto:reillyms at live.com
860. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
861. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
862. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
863. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
864. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
865. mailto:MWHPR13MB180819E0A07EB284DFA9BA93BABD0 at MWHPR13MB1808.namprd13.prod.ou
866. http://tlook.com/
867. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
868. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
869. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
870. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
871. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
872. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
873. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
874. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
875. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
876. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
877. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
878. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
879. http://w7tsc.org/
880. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
881. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
882. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
883. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
884. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
885. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
886. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
887. http://www.avg.com/
888. http://www.avg.com/
889. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
890. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
891. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
892. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
893. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
894. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
895. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
896. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
897. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
898. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
899. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
900. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
901. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
902. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
903. http://w7tsc.org/
904. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
905. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
906. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
907. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
908. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
909. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
910. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
911. http://www.avg.com/
912. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
913. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
914. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
915. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
916. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
917. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
918. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
919. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
920. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
921. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
922. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
923. http://w7tsc.org/
924. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
925. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
926. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
927. http://www.avg.com/
928. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
929. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
930. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
931. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
932. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
933. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
934. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
935. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
936. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
937. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
938. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
939. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
940. http://w7tsc.org/
941. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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943. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
944. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
945. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
946. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
947. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
948. http://www.avg.com/
949. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
950. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
951. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
952. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
953. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
954. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
955. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
956. http://w7tsc.org/
957. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
958. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
959. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
960. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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962. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
963. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
964. http://www.avg.com/
965. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
966. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
967. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
968. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
969. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
970. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
971. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
972. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
973. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
974. mailto:9A5B268B1A02 at gmail.com
975. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
976. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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978. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
979. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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981. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
982. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
983. mailto:reillyms at live.com
984. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
985. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
986. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
987. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
988. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
989. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
990. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
991. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
992. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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994. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
995. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
996. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
997. http://w7tsc.org/
998. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
999. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1000. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1001. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1002. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1003. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1004. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1005. http://www.avg.com/
1006. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1007. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1008. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1009. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1010. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1011. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1012. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1013. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1014. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1015. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1016. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1017. http://w7tsc.org/
1018. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1019. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1020. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1021. http://www.avg.com/
1022. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1023. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1024. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1025. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1026. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1027. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1028. mailto:reillyms at live.com
1029. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1030. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1031. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1032. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1033. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1034. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1035. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1036. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1037. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1039. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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1042. http://w7tsc.org/
1043. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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1045. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1046. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1047. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1048. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1049. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1050. http://www.avg.com/
1051. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1052. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1053. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1054. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1055. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1056. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1057. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1058. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1059. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1060. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1061. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1062. http://w7tsc.org/
1063. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1064. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1065. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1066. http://www.avg.com/
1067. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1068. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1069. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1070. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1071. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1072. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1073. mailto:reillyms at live.com
1074. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1075. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1076. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1077. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1078. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1079. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1080. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1081. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1082. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1083. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1084. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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1086. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1087. http://w7tsc.org/
1088. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1089. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1090. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1091. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1092. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1093. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1095. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1099. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1100. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1101. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1102. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1103. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1104. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1105. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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1107. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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1109. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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1114. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1128. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
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1130. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1131. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1132. http://gmail.com/
1133. mailto:reillyms at live.com
1134. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1135. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1136. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1137. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1138. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1140. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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