[DeTomaso] Starting issues
Charles McCall
charlesmccall at gmail.com
Thu Nov 17 02:41:10 EST 2016
Thanks Larry - ****comments below
From: Larry - Ohio Time [mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com]
Sent: jueves, 17 de noviembre de 2016 0:12
To: 'Charles McCall'
Cc: 'Fred Sweeney'; 'detomaso at server detomasolist. com'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
Hi Charlie,
I would think the cause maybe the heat from the motor is soaking into the
carb when you turn off the motor, helping vaporize the fuel. This is not a
big problem.
****Not the cause in my case. The engine starts just fine the next day, or
even a few days later. Only an issue if it sits for weeks. If the problem
was heat soak, it should affect next-day-starting as well.
If the fuel is running out of the carb and into a cylinder, it is washing
any oil off the rings and then working its way into your oil to dilute it.
Not the best thing for a motor but should be ok.
****ok
Now cranking for a long time thinking you are helping the motor build oil
pressure, is not a good thing. It has been said this caused much bearing
ware. I remember taking my Explorer back to the dealer complaining that the
motor revved to high as soon as it started. I was told that it is designed
that way to build oil pressure up faster. (?)
****Increased bearing wear by having the engine turn over with the starter
motor? Is this more stressful than having things move with the motor firing?
Curious. Also curious the explanation - it revs high with low oil pressure
in order to build high pressure.
Larry (still cranking) - Cleveland
_____
From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:25 AM
To: Larry - Ohio Time
Cc: Fred Sweeney; detomaso at server detomasolist. com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
This condition has been occurring to me for years and I've assumed it was
normal. After several weeks of sitting, the fuel in the bowls evaporates and
it takes some cranking to get the engine to fire. One way of "fixing" this
is to install an electric fuel pump, but that doesn't address the cause. If
the situation is only moderate, I sort of thought it was positive, as it
allows you to build oil pressure before the engine fires. Besides being
annoying if you need to make a fast getaway after being stopped for 3
months, is this harmful? What's the cause?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:
Fred,
You may have what was called leak down. The carb is no longer holding its
fuel. So when you go to start, it is dry. It will take some time to pump gas
into it as you crank the motor over. You do have a mechanical fuel pump
right?
To test this, let the cat sit for a few days. Look down into the carb as you
move the throttle linkage on the carb. You should see fuel squirting into
the carb if it is working right.
Larry (we all leak) - Cleveland
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
I usually pump the the accelerator once and crank to start a cold engine.
Lately, my car is very difficult to start after setting a few days. I was
told to crank it a while before setting the chock. My original carb was
rebuilt about two years ago by an old time shop. Please email me if you have
any advice. Thanks in advance. Fred
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result was
basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter and w/o
oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a comment of the
German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3 motors that where
absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
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On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
><mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.comonbehalfof>>
[19]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:19]charlesmccall at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter
and w/o oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a
comment of the German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3
motors that where absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso [1]<[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Mike Reilly [2]<[2]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith [3]<[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
[4]<[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall [5]<[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "[6]<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4][8]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall [10]<[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "[11]<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
[13]<[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [[15]15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> [18]<[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [[19]19]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:39:02 -0500
From: jderyke at aol.com
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions to
improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding a quart
or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine to run rich.
And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately warmed-up engine.
Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not too much) sometimes
helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie- J Deryke
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1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
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(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than 15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up - even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct, Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
<MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine performance
enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it simple!
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air flow
slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you should
definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the test
drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to videos on
Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil with K&N oil.
You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient temperatures,
so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it would
be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://w7tsc.org
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb -
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6]http://w7tsc.org
> [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he block
in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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Charles McCall <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf
Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[4]http://w7tsc.org
[5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [7]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws. This
increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where you get
the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off with a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
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Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
<MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6]http://w7tsc.org
> [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Mike Reilly <[2]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
<[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [19]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie-
J Deryke
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Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
-------------- next part --------------
Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
<[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
McCall<[16]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc:
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[20]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[23]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[24]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [26]http://w7tsc.org
> [27]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[28]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [29]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy
to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[43]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[44]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[45]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[46]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][47]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [48]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][49]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][50]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[51]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [52]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <[77]pantdino at aol.com>
To: [78]charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: [79]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
<[80]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [82]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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Charles McCall <[1][83]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
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Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
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On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6]detomaso-[88]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [7][89]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <[117]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Charles McCall <[118]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws.
This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where you
get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
<[121]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No,
I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <[124]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: "<[125]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When
my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off with
a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[128]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of Mike
Reilly <[129]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
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Cc: "<[133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[135]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[137]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[140]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][141]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [142]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][143]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][144]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[145]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [146]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Mike Reilly <[2][174]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3][175]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
<[4][176]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[5][177]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[6][178]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8][180]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][185]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [15][187]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18]detomaso-[190]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [19][191]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:48:15 -0800
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: <jderyke at aol.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
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Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to half
turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
Larry
On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie-
J Deryke
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
<[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
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Cc:
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow slightly.
M
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[20]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test drive--use
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Thanks Larry - ****comments below
From: Larry - Ohio Time [mailto:Larry at OhioTimeCorp.com]
Sent: jueves, 17 de noviembre de 2016 0:12
To: 'Charles McCall'
Cc: 'Fred Sweeney'; 'detomaso at server detomasolist. com'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
Hi Charlie,
I would think the cause maybe the heat from the motor is soaking into
the carb when you turn off the motor, helping vaporize the fuel. This
is not a big problem.
****Not the cause in my case. The engine starts just fine the next day,
or even a few days later. Only an issue if it sits for weeks. If the
problem was heat soak, it should affect next-day-starting as well.
If the fuel is running out of the carb and into a cylinder, it is
washing any oil off the rings and then working its way into your oil to
dilute it. Not the best thing for a motor but should be ok.
****ok
Now cranking for a long time thinking you are helping the motor build
oil pressure, is not a good thing. It has been said this caused much
bearing ware. I remember taking my Explorer back to the dealer
complaining that the motor revved to high as soon as it started. I was
told that it is designed that way to build oil pressure up faster. (?)
****Increased bearing wear by having the engine turn over with the
starter motor? Is this more stressful than having things move with the
motor firing? Curious. Also curious the explanation - it revs high with
low oil pressure in order to build high pressure.
Larry (still cranking) - Cleveland
_______________________________________________________________________
From: Charles McCall [[1]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 10:25 AM
To: Larry - Ohio Time
Cc: Fred Sweeney; detomaso at server detomasolist. com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
This condition has been occurring to me for years and I've assumed it
was normal. After several weeks of sitting, the fuel in the bowls
evaporates and it takes some cranking to get the engine to fire. One
way of "fixing" this is to install an electric fuel pump, but that
doesn't address the cause. If the situation is only moderate, I sort of
thought it was positive, as it allows you to build oil pressure before
the engine fires. Besides being annoying if you need to make a fast
getaway after being stopped for 3 months, is this harmful? What's the
cause?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
<[2]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
Fred,
You may have what was called leak down. The carb is no longer holding
its
fuel. So when you go to start, it is dry. It will take some time to
pump gas
into it as you crank the motor over. You do have a mechanical fuel pump
right?
To test this, let the cat sit for a few days. Look down into the carb
as you
move the throttle linkage on the carb. You should see fuel squirting
into
the carb if it is working right.
Larry (we all leak) - Cleveland
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Fred Sweeney
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:37 AM
To: detomaso at server detomasolist. com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
I usually pump the the accelerator once and crank to start a cold
engine.
Lately, my car is very difficult to start after setting a few days. I
was
told to crank it a while before setting the chock. My original carb was
rebuilt about two years ago by an old time shop. Please email me if you
have
any advice. Thanks in advance. Fred
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3. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14 (Larry Stock)
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:37:00 +0000
From: Roland <[11]willibillie at live.de>
To: "[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was
basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter and
w/o
oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a comment of
the
German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3 motors that
where
absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso
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Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
it
simple!
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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To: Charles McCall
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m>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][37]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[13][38]charlesmccall at gmail.co
m>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14]mailto:[39]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To:
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detomasolist.
com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16][42]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17][43]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18][44]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
><[45]mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.comonbehalfof>>
[19][46]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:[47]19][48]charlesmccall at gmail.c
om>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper
filter
and w/o oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a
comment of the German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about
Group 3
motors that where absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso [1]<[1][128]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on behalf
of Mike Reilly [2]<[2][129]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith [3]<[3][130]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
[4]<[4][131]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
[5]<[5][132]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "[6]<[6][133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
[7]<[7][134]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4][8]<[8][135]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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[9]<[9][136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall [10]<[10][137]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "[11]<[11][138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
[12]<[12][139]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
[13]<[13][140]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14][14]mailto:[141]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [[15]15][142]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16][16][143]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17][17][144]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> [18]<[18][145]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
>> [[19]19][146]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:39:02 -0500
From: [317]jderyke at aol.com
To: [318]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
to
improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding a
quart
or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine to run
rich.
And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately warmed-up
engine.
Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not too much) sometimes
helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie- J Deryke
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1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[326]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[327]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[329]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[330]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
<[331]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance
enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it simple!
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From: marshallgsmith<mailto:[336]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
flow
slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[342]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should
definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the test
drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on
Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil with K&N
oil.
You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[345]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures,
so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would
be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
I
can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines
tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little
for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[346]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [347]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[350]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [351]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
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From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[364]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[365]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[366]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
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does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
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On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[369]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [371]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[374]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [375]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <[400]pantdino at aol.com>
To: [401]charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: [402]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
block
in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
<[404]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:[405]asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [406]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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Charles McCall <[1][407]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
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Behalf
Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
To: [3][409]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[4][410]http://w7tsc.org
[5][411]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6][412]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [7][413]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
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To: Charles McCall <[442]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws.
This
increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where
you get
the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
<[445]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter
is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect
the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <[448]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: "<[449]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[450]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When
my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off
with a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[452]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of Mike
Reilly <[453]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[454]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
<[455]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[456]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[457]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[458]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[459]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[461]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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<[463]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[464]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5]mailto:[465]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [466]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][467]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][468]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[469]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [470]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[1][497]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Mike Reilly <[2][498]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3][499]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
<[4][500]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[5][501]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[6][502]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[7][503]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8][504]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[9][505]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[10][506]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11][507]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12][508]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But
you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][509]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14]mailto:[510]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [15][511]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][16][512]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][17][513]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18][514]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
>> [19][515]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before
adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the
engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck,
Charlie-
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Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Richard Greenblum)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5][594]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6][595]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more
than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it
once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more
or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The
last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7][597]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[8][598]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
<[9][599]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
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Cc: "<[11][601]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:[606]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[23][615]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[24]mailto:[616]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [25][617]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [26][618]http://w7tsc.org
> [27][619]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[28][620]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [29][621]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy
to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[41][634]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[43][636]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[44][637]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[45][638]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[46][639]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][47]mailto:[640]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [48][641]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [6][49][642]http://w7tsc.org
> [7][50][643]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[51][644]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [52][645]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <[77][670]pantdino at aol.com>
To: [78][671]charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: [79][672]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
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On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
<[80][674]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have
a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to
the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15
minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible.
I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but
carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck
out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs
out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:[675]asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [82][676]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how
"warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,.....
Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle
for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
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Charles McCall <[1][83][677]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
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Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
To: [3][85][679]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6]detomaso-[88][682]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [7][89][683]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
From: Will Kooiman <[117][711]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Charles McCall <[118][712]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119][713]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle
screws.
This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where
you
get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
<[121][715]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter
is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition
of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have
to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No,
I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect
the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever
to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <[124][718]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: "<[125][719]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
When
my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
crew
chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off
with
a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[128][722]bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
behalf of Mike
Reilly <[129][723]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[130][724]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
<[131][725]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
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Cc: "<[133][727]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[135][729]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[137][731]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[138][732]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[140][734]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [142][736]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <detomaso-[145][739]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [146][740]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car.
When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to
be
an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
you're better off with a quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso-[173][767]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Mike Reilly <[2][174][768]reillyms at live.com>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To: marshallgsmith <[3][175][769]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
<[4][176][770]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[5][177][771]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[6][178][772]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: [1]marshallgsmith
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
Cc: [4]<[8][180][774]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
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Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[10][182][776]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11][183][777]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12][184][778]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
how-to
videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[13][185][779]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it
would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but
I can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[5][14][186]mailto:[780]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [15][187][781]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating). Take
it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
>> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[18]detomaso-[190][784]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
>> [19][191][785]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>> to two points:
>>>
>>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
weeks
>>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
be
able
>>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
The
> limit
>>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
I
seem
> to
>>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
at
idle?
>>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
test.
>>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>> J
>>>
>>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>> all!
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:48:15 -0800
From: Larry Stock <[1123]larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: <[1124]jderyke at aol.com>, <[1125]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Message-ID: <[1126]D44F624C.16E55A%larrys at panteraparts.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to
half
turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
Larry
On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
<[1127]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[1128]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions
to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before
adding
a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the
engine
to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck,
Charlie-
J Deryke
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Today's Topics:
1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Mike Reilly)
3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Pantdino)
4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
(Richard Greenblum)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[5][1135]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6][1136]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more
than
15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it
once
with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more
or
less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The
last
few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
-------------- next part --------------
Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say
that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
of
the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
to
find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
to
warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well,
cold
and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
I could feel a difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[7][1138]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[8][1139]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike
Drew
<[9][1140]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[10][1141]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[11][1142]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[12][1143]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Message-ID:
<[13][1144]MWHPR13MB180819E0A07EB284DFA9BA93BABD0 at MWHPR13MB1808.namprd1
3.prod
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
it
simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:[1146]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:[1147]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
McCall<[16]mailto:[1148]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc:
<[17][1149]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:[1150]detomaso@
server.detom
[1151]asolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air
flow slightly.
M
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[19][1152]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[20][1153]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[21][1154]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[22][1155]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
the
test drive--use
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430. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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432. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
433. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
434. http://www.avg.com/
435. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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437. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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439. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
440. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
441. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
442. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
443. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
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445. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
446. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
447. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
448. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
449. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
450. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
451. mailto:D44F30A2.536CD%25Richard at richardgreenblum.com
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455. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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473. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
474. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
475. http://www.avg.com/
476. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
477. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
478. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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480. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
481. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
482. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
483. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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486. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
487. http://w7tsc.org/
488. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
489. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
490. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
491. http://www.avg.com/
492. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
493. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
494. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
495. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
496. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
497. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
498. mailto:reillyms at live.com
499. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
500. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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518. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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523. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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525. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
526. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
527. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
528. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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530. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
531. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
532. http://w7tsc.org/
533. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
534. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
535. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
536. http://www.avg.com/
537. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
538. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
539. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
540. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
541. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
542. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
543. mailto:reillyms at live.com
544. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
545. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
546. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
547. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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569. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
570. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
571. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
572. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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574. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
575. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
576. http://w7tsc.org/
577. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
578. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
579. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
580. http://www.avg.com/
581. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
582. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
583. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
584. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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586. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
587. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
588. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
589. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
590. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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592. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
593. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
594. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
595. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
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606. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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608. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
609. mailto:detomaso at server.detom
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624. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
625. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
626. http://www.avg.com/
627. http://www.avg.com/
628. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
629. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
630. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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635. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
636. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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643. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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645. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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647. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
648. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
649. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
650. http://www.avg.com/
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653. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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655. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
656. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
657. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
658. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
659. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
660. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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663. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
664. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
665. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
666. http://www.avg.com/
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668. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
669. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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671. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
672. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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681. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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686. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
687. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
688. http://www.avg.com/
689. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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691. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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695. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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712. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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715. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
716. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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718. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
719. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
720. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
721. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
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723. mailto:reillyms at live.com
724. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
725. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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727. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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738. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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742. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
743. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
744. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
745. http://www.avg.com/
746. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
747. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
748. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
749. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
750. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
751. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
752. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
753. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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756. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
757. http://w7tsc.org/
758. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
759. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
760. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
761. http://www.avg.com/
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764. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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766. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
767. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
768. mailto:reillyms at live.com
769. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
770. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
771. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
772. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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788. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
789. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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793. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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806. http://www.avg.com/
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843. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
844. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
845. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
846. http://w7tsc.org/
847. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
848. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
849. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
850. http://www.avg.com/
851. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
852. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
853. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
854. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
855. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
856. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
857. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
858. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
859. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
860. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
861. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
862. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
863. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
864. mailto:reillyms at live.com
865. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
866. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
867. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
868. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
869. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
870. mailto:MWHPR13MB180819E0A07EB284DFA9BA93BABD0 at MWHPR13MB1808.namprd13.prod.ou
871. http://tlook.com/
872. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
873. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
874. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
875. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
876. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
877. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
878. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
879. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
880. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
881. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
882. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
883. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
884. http://w7tsc.org/
885. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
886. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
887. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
888. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
889. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
890. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
891. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
892. http://www.avg.com/
893. http://www.avg.com/
894. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
895. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
896. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
897. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
898. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
899. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
900. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
901. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
902. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
903. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
904. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
905. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
906. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
907. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
908. http://w7tsc.org/
909. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
910. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
911. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
912. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
913. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
914. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
915. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
916. http://www.avg.com/
917. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
918. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
919. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
920. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
921. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
922. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
923. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
924. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
925. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
926. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
927. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
928. http://w7tsc.org/
929. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
930. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
931. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
932. http://www.avg.com/
933. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
934. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
935. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
936. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
937. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
938. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
939. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
940. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
941. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
942. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
943. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
944. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
945. http://w7tsc.org/
946. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
947. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
948. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
949. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
950. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
951. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
952. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
953. http://www.avg.com/
954. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
955. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
956. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
957. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
958. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
959. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
960. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
961. http://w7tsc.org/
962. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
963. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
964. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
965. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
966. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
967. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
968. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
969. http://www.avg.com/
970. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
971. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
972. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
973. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
974. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
975. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
976. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
977. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
978. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
979. mailto:9A5B268B1A02 at gmail.com
980. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
981. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
982. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
983. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
984. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
985. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
986. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
987. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
988. mailto:reillyms at live.com
989. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
990. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
991. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
992. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
993. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
994. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
995. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
996. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
997. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
998. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
999. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1000. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1001. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1002. http://w7tsc.org/
1003. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1004. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1005. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1006. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1007. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1008. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1009. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1010. http://www.avg.com/
1011. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1012. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1013. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1014. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1015. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1016. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1017. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1018. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1019. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1020. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1021. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1022. http://w7tsc.org/
1023. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1024. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1025. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1026. http://www.avg.com/
1027. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1028. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1029. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1030. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1031. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1032. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1033. mailto:reillyms at live.com
1034. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1035. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1036. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1037. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1038. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1039. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1040. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1041. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1042. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1043. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1044. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1045. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1046. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1047. http://w7tsc.org/
1048. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1049. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1050. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1051. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1052. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1053. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1054. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1055. http://www.avg.com/
1056. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1057. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1058. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1059. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1060. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1061. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1062. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1063. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1064. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1065. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1066. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1067. http://w7tsc.org/
1068. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1069. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1070. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1071. http://www.avg.com/
1072. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1073. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1074. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1075. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1076. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1077. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1078. mailto:reillyms at live.com
1079. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1080. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1081. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1082. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1083. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1084. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1085. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1086. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1087. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1088. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1089. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1090. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1091. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1092. http://w7tsc.org/
1093. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1094. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1095. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1096. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1097. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1098. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1099. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1100. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1102. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1104. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1105. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1106. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1107. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1108. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1109. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1110. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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1112. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1113. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1114. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1115. http://www.avg.com/
1116. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1117. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1118. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1119. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1120. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1121. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1122. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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1125. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1127. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1128. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1129. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
1130. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1131. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1132. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1133. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
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1135. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1136. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
1137. http://gmail.com/
1138. mailto:reillyms at live.com
1139. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1140. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1141. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1142. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1143. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1144. mailto:MWHPR13MB180819E0A07EB284DFA9BA93BABD0 at MWHPR13MB1808.namprd13.prod
1145. http://outlook.com/
1146. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1147. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
1148. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
1149. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1154. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1157. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1158. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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