[DeTomaso] Starting issues
Charles McCall
charlesmccall at gmail.com
Wed Nov 16 10:25:05 EST 2016
This condition has been occurring to me for years and I've assumed it was
normal. After several weeks of sitting, the fuel in the bowls evaporates
and it takes some cranking to get the engine to fire. One way of "fixing"
this is to install an electric fuel pump, but that doesn't address the
cause. If the situation is only moderate, I sort of thought it was
positive, as it allows you to build oil pressure before the engine fires.
Besides being annoying if you need to make a fast getaway after being
stopped for 3 months, is this harmful? What's the cause?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:
> Fred,
>
> You may have what was called leak down. The carb is no longer holding its
> fuel. So when you go to start, it is dry. It will take some time to pump
> gas
> into it as you crank the motor over. You do have a mechanical fuel pump
> right?
>
> To test this, let the cat sit for a few days. Look down into the carb as
> you
> move the throttle linkage on the carb. You should see fuel squirting into
> the carb if it is working right.
>
> Larry (we all leak) - Cleveland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Fred Sweeney
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:37 AM
> To: detomaso at server detomasolist. com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
>
> I usually pump the the accelerator once and crank to start a cold engine.
> Lately, my car is very difficult to start after setting a few days. I was
> told to crank it a while before setting the chock. My original carb was
> rebuilt about two years ago by an old time shop. Please email me if you
> have
> any advice. Thanks in advance. Fred
>
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:37:00 +0000
> From: Roland <willibillie at live.de>
> To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result was
> basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter and w/o
> oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a comment of the
> German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3 motors that where
> absolute bone stock Clevelands:
>
> Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
>
> Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
>
> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
> Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
> When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
> and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
> an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
> you're better off with a quality paper filter.
>
> Richard
>
> Austin, TX
>
> From: DeTomaso
> <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[1]
> detomaso-bounces at ser
> ver.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Mike Reilly <[2]reillyms at live.com><mailto:[2]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith
> <[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net><mailto:[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
> MikeDrew
> <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
> <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
> just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
> it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc:
> [4]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[8]
> detomaso at server.detomasol
> ist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
> air
> flow slightly.
> M
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[9]
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> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall
> <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[11]
> detomaso at server.detomasol
> ist.com>"
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
> the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
> how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
> re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
> <[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
> it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
> but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
> the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
> believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
> really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
> dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
> to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To:
> [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:15]
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.
> com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
> overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
> get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
> while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][16]http://w7tsc.org
> > [7][17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
> carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
> it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
> tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> ><mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.comonbehalfof>>
> [19]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:19]charlesmccall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
> few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
> be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
> The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
> I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
> at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
> the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
> public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
> chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
> massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
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> We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
> was basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter
> and w/o oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a
> comment of the German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3
> motors that where absolute bone stock Clevelands:
>
> Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
>
> Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
>
> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
> Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
> When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
> and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
> an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
> you're better off with a quality paper filter.
>
> Richard
>
> Austin, TX
>
> From: DeTomaso [1]<[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf
> of Mike Reilly [2]<[2]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith [3]<[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> [4]<[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall [5]<[5]
> charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "[6]<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> [7]<[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
> just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
> it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4][8]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
> air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [9]<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall [10]<[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "[11]<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> [12]<[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
> the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
> how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
> re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
> [13]<[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
> it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
> but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
> the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
> believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
> really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
> dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
> to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][14][14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [[15]15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
> overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
> get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
> while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][16][16]http://w7tsc.org
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> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
> carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
> it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
> tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> [18]<[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [[19]19]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
> few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
> be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
> The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
> I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
> at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
> the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
> public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
> chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
> massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:39:02 -0500
> From: jderyke at aol.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
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> In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions to
> improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding a quart
> or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine to run
> rich.
> And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately warmed-up engine.
> Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not too much) sometimes
> helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie- J Deryke
>
>
>
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> 1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
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> 3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Pantdino)
> 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
> 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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> Hi all
>
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say that
> I
> have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than 15
> years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once with
> a
> garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
> less
> what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning instructions.
> Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
>
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the carb
> (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't breathe
> before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last few
> times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up - even
> after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little rough.
> Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
> difference.
>
>
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct, Will,
> not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hi all
>
>
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
> find new homes I think!
>
>
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
> From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
> To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
> <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine performance
> enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it simple!
>
>
>
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> From: marshallgsmith<mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: Mike Drew<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
> McCall<mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
>
>
>
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air flow
> slightly.
> M
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> Charlie,
>
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you should
> definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the test
> drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to videos
> on
> Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil with K&N oil.
> You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient temperatures,
> so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it would
> be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
> can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
> tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
> for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
> it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > http://w7tsc.org
> > http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune it
> to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy
> to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
> >>> all!
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
>
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
>
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
>
>
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6]http://w7tsc.org
> > [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
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> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he block
> in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
> problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
> testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
> line and wait.
>
>
> Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
> and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
> knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
> It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
> would mean a fairly cold block.
>
>
> I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
> without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
>
>
> The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
> of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
>
>
> From: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
>
> No Charlie, you misunderstand...
>
> An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
> be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
> up it is."
>
>
> You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
> needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
> out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
> any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
> time idling in line, it will kill your test.
>
>
> Asa
>
>
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>
> Charles McCall <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
> can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
> tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
> we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
> for
> the test.
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> the current settings can work.
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
> it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> Thanks again!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> Asa
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [4]http://w7tsc.org
> [5]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> > You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >
> > My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> > which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >
> > If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> > good cleaning.
> >
> > The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> > for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> > pass.
> >
> > On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> > <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > [7]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> due
> >> to two points:
> >>
> >> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>
> >> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
> >> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>
> >> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> to
> >> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
> >> J
> >>
> >> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >> here.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >> all!
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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>
> Good catch on the air filter.
>
> Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws.
> This
> increases NOx, but reduces CO.
>
> That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too rich.
>
> Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where you
> get
> the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> >
> > I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> > that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> > more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> > rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
> > the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> > followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
> > find new homes I think!
> >
> >
> > I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> > wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> > carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> > breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> > The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
> > warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> > and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
> > I could feel a difference.
> >
> >
> > No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> > Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
> From: Richard Greenblum <Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
> To: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I bought
> into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
> noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When my
> K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
> re-oiling,
> I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car crew
> chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off with a
> quality paper filter.
>
>
> Richard
> Austin, TX
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Mike
> Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.
> com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
>
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
>
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
>
>
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
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> > [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
> Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
> When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
> and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
> an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
> you're better off with a quality paper filter.
>
> Richard
>
> Austin, TX
>
> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Mike Reilly <[2]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith <[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
>
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
> just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
> it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
> air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
> the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
> how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
> re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
> <[13]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
> it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
> but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
> the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
> believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
> really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
> dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
> to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][14]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
> overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
> get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
> while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][16]http://w7tsc.org
> > [7][17]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
> carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
> it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
> tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [19]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
> few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
> be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
> The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
> I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
> at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
> the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
> public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
> chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
> massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
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> -------------- next part --------------
> In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
> to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
> a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine
> to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
> warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
> too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie-
> J Deryke
>
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> Today's Topics:
> 1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
> 2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Mike Reilly)
> 3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Pantdino)
> 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
> 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Richard Greenblum)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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> Hi all
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I
> have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
> 15
> years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
> with a
> garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
> less
> what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
> instructions.
> Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb
> (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe
> before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
> few
> times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
> even
> after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
> rough.
> Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
> difference.
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will,
> not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hi all
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
> find new homes I think!
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
> ------------------------------
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
> From: Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com>
> To: marshallgsmith <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
> <[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
> McCall<[16]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:detomaso at server.detom
> asolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[20]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[23]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [[24]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [26]http://w7tsc.org
> > [27]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-[28]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [29]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be happy
> to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing. Thanks
> >>> all!
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> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[43]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[44]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[45]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[46]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][47]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [48]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][49]http://w7tsc.org
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> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-[51]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [52]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
> From: Pantdino <[77]pantdino at aol.com>
> To: [78]charlesmccall at gmail.com
> Cc: [79]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
> block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
> <[80]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have a
> problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to the
> testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
> line and wait.
> Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15 minutes,
> and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible. I
> knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
> It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
> would mean a fairly cold block.
> I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
> without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but carbon)
> The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck out
> of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs out?
> From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
> To: Charles McCall
> Cc: [82]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> No Charlie, you misunderstand...
> An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
> be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how "warmed
> up it is."
> You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
> needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,..... Blow
> out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle for
> any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
> time idling in line, it will kill your test.
> Asa
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> Charles McCall <[1][83]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but I
> can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The lines
> tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and therefore
> we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a little
> for
> the test.
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> the current settings can work.
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc. Tomorrow
> it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> Thanks again!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[2][84]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On
> Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [3][85]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the emissions
> tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> Asa
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> [4][86]http://w7tsc.org
> [5][87]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> > You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >
> > My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> > which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >
> > If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> > good cleaning.
> >
> > The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> > for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> > pass.
> >
> > On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> > <[6]detomaso-[88]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > [7][89]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> due
> >> to two points:
> >>
> >> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>
> >> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> limit
> >> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>
> >> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> to
> >> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> forum
> >> J
> >>
> >> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >> here.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >> all!
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
> From: Will Kooiman <[117]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> To: Charles McCall <[118]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
> Message-ID: <9C7A3F8F-21AE-48B4-BB53-[120]9A5B268B1A02 at gmail.com>
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> Good catch on the air filter.
> Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle screws.
> This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
> That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter. It's too
> rich.
> Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's where you
> get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
> <[121]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> >
> > I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> > that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> > more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> > rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition
> of
> > the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> > followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have
> to
> > find new homes I think!
> >
> >
> > I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No,
> I
> > wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> > carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> > breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> > The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever
> to
> > warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> > and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
> stumbles...
> > I could feel a difference.
> >
> >
> > No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> > Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
> From: Richard Greenblum <[124]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
> To: "<[125]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[126]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Message-ID: <D44F30A2.536CD%[127]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
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> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought
> into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera. Never
> noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car. When
> my
> K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
> re-oiling,
> I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
> crew
> chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off with
> a
> quality paper filter.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[128]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of Mike
> Reilly <[129]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith <[130]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> <[131]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[132]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[134]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[135]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[137]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[139]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall <[140]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay, but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][141]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [142]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][143]http://w7tsc.org
> > [7][144]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <detomaso-[145]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [146]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
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> I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time ago I
> bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
> Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.
> When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
> and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be
> an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with it,
> you're better off with a quality paper filter.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
> From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf
> of Mike Reilly <[2][174]reillyms at live.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
> To: marshallgsmith <[3][175]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
> <[4][176]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
> <[5][177]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[6][178]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[7][179]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
> just
> replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep
> it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: [1]marshallgsmith
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
> Cc: [4]<[8][180]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
> air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][181]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[10][182]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[11][183]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[12][184]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing
> the
> test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are
> how-to
> videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
> re-oil
> with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
> <[13][185]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you to all who answered.
> >
> > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
> literally
> > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
> temperatures, so
> > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
> it
> would be
> > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
> but
> I can
> > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
> lines tend
> > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
> >
> > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
> therefore we
> > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
> little for
> > the test.
> >
> > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
> the
> timing
> > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
> believe
> that
> > the current settings can work.
> >
> > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
> really
> > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
> dust,
> driven
> > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
> Tomorrow it's
> > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
> cleaner
> > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
> to
> make
> > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso
> [[5][14][186]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Asa Jay Laughton
> > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> > To: [15][187]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
> car
> > does....)
> >
> > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
> overheating). Take
> it
> > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
> emissions
> > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
> get
> > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
> while.
> >
> > Asa
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> > ******************************
> > [6][16][188]http://w7tsc.org
> > [7][17][189]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
> >>
> >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
> carb
> -
> >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
> gasoline.
> >>
> >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
> needs a
> >> good cleaning.
> >>
> >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
> it
> back
> >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
> tune
> it to
> >> pass.
> >>
> >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> >> <[18]detomaso-[190]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >> [19][191]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
> failed
> > due
> >>> to two points:
> >>>
> >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
> few
> weeks
> >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to
> be
> able
> >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high.
> The
> > limit
> >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
> engine
> >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
> nothing
> >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
> test?
> >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
> remember
> >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N.
> I
> seem
> > to
> >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest
> at
> idle?
> >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
> the
> test.
> >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
> happy to
> >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
> I've
> >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
> public
> > forum
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
> engine?
> >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
> chamber
> >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
> massaged
> >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
> relevant
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
> Thanks
> >>> all!
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
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> 2. [31][204]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 3. [32][205]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 4. [33][206]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 5. [34][207]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 6. [35][208]http://w7tsc.org/
> 7. [36][209]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 8. [37][210]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 9. [38][211]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 10. [39][212]http://www.avg.com/
> 11. [40][213]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 12. [41][214]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 13. [42][215]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> 2. [219]mailto:reillyms at live.com
> 3. [220]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 4. [221]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 5. [222]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 6. [223]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 7. [224]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 8. [225]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 9. [226]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 10. [227]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 11. [228]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 12. [229]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 13. [230]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 14. [231]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 15. [232]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 16. [233]http://w7tsc.org/
> 17. [234]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 18. [235]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 19. [236]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 20. [237]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 21. [238]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 22. [239]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 23. [240]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 24. [241]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 25. [242]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 26. [243]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 27. [244]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 28. [245]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 29. [246]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 30. [247]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 31. [248]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 32. [249]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 33. [250]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 34. [251]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 35. [252]http://w7tsc.org/
> 36. [253]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 37. [254]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 38. [255]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 39. [256]http://www.avg.com/
> 40. [257]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 41. [258]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 42. [259]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 43. [260]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 44. [261]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 3. mailto:request at server.detomasolist.com
> 4. mailto:owner at server.detomasolist.com
> 5. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 6. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 7. mailto:reillyms at live.com
> 8. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 9. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 10. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 13.
> mailto:MWHPR13MB180819E0A07EB284DFA9BA93BABD0 at MWHPR13MB1808.
> namprd13.prod.ou
> tlook.com
> 14. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
> 15. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com?
> 16. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 17. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 18. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 19. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 20. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 21. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 22. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 23. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 24. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 25. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 26. http://w7tsc.org/
> 27. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> 32. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 35. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 39. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 44. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 45. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 46. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
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> 49. http://w7tsc.org/
> 50. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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> 62. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 64. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
> 65. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com?
> 66. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 67. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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> 69. http://w7tsc.org/
> 70. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 71. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 72. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 73. http://www.avg.com/
> 74. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 75. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 76. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 77. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
> 78. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 79. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 80. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 81. mailto:asajay at asajay.com?
> 82. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 83. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 84. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 85. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 86. http://w7tsc.org/
> 87. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 88. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 89. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 90. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 91. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 92. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 94. http://www.avg.com/
> 95. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 96. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 97. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 98. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 99. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
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> 101. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 102. http://w7tsc.org/
> 103. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 104. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com%20on%
> 20behalf%20of%0b?
> 105. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 106. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 107. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 108. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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> 110. http://www.avg.com/
> 111. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 112. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 113. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 114. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 115. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 116. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 117. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
> 118. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 119. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com
> 120. mailto:9A5B268B1A02 at gmail.com
> 121. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 122. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 123. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 124. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
> 125. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 126. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 127. mailto:Richard at richardgreenblum.com
> 128. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 129. mailto:reillyms at live.com
> 130. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 131. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 132. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 133. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 134. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 135. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 136. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 137. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 138. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 139. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 140. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 141. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 142. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 143. http://w7tsc.org/
> 144. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 145. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 146. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 147. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 148. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 149. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 150. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 151. http://www.avg.com/
> 152. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 154. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 156. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 157. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 158. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
> 159. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com?
> 160. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 161. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 162. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 163. http://w7tsc.org/
> 164. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 165. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 166. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 167. http://www.avg.com/
> 168. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 169. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 170. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 171. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 172. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 173. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 174. mailto:reillyms at live.com
> 175. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 176. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 177. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 178. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 179. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 180. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 181. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 182. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 183. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 184. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 185. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 186. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 187. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 188. http://w7tsc.org/
> 189. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 190. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 191. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
> 192. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 193. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 194. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 196. http://www.avg.com/
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> 199. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 201. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 202. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 203. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
> 204. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com?
> 205. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 206. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 207. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
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> 209. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 210. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 211. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 212. http://www.avg.com/
> 213. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 214. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> 216. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 217. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 218. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 219. mailto:reillyms at live.com?
> 220. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
> 221. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com?
> 222. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 223. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 224. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 225. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 226. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 227. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 228. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 229. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 230. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 231. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 232. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 233. http://w7tsc.org/
> 234. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 235. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 236. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 237. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 238. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 239. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 240. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 241. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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> 243. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 244. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 245. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 246. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 247. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net?
> 248. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com?
> 249. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
> 250. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
> 251. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
> 252. http://w7tsc.org/
> 253. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> 254. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 255. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 256. http://www.avg.com/
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:48:15 -0800
> From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> To: <jderyke at aol.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
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> Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to half
> turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
> Larry
>
> On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes emissions
> to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
> a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine
> to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately
> warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not
> too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie-
> J Deryke
>
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> (Pantdino)
> 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
> 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
> (Richard Greenblum)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
> From: Charles McCall <[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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> Hi all
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I
> have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more than
> 15
> years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it once
> with a
> garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more or
> less
> what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
> instructions.
> Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb
> (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe
> before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The last
> few
> times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm up -
> even
> after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
> rough.
> Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
> difference.
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will,
> not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
> -------------- next part --------------
> Hi all
> I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just say
> that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
> more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember
> rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of
> the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had never
> followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will have to
> find new homes I think!
> I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed. No, I
> wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
> carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
> breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
> The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to
> warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold
> and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles...
> I could feel a difference.
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
> Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
> ------------------------------
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
> From: Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com>
> To: marshallgsmith <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
> <[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall <[10]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
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> I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I just
> replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
> performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter. Keep it
> simple!
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
> McCall<[16]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc:
> <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:detomaso at server.detom
> asolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts air
> flow slightly.
> M
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Charles McCall <[20]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "<[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
> <[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car
> does....)
> Charlie,
> You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
> should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
> test drive--use
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This condition has been occurring to me for years and I've assumed it
was normal. After several weeks of sitting, the fuel in the bowls
evaporates and it takes some cranking to get the engine to fire. One
way of "fixing" this is to install an electric fuel pump, but that
doesn't address the cause. If the situation is only moderate, I sort of
thought it was positive, as it allows you to build oil pressure before
the engine fires. Besides being annoying if you need to make a fast
getaway after being stopped for 3 months, is this harmful? What's the
cause?A
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Larry - Ohio Time
<[1]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
Fred,
You may have what was called leak down. The carb is no longer
holding its
fuel. So when you go to start, it is dry. It will take some time to
pump gas
into it as you crank the motor over. You do have a mechanical fuel
pump
right?
To test this, let the cat sit for a few days. Look down into the
carb as you
move the throttle linkage on the carb. You should see fuel squirting
into
the carb if it is working right.
Larry (we all leak) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
Of Fred Sweeney
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:37 AM
To: detomaso at server detomasolist. com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Starting issues
I usually pump the the accelerator once and crank to start a cold
engine.
Lately, my car is very difficult to start after setting a few days.
I was
told to crank it a while before setting the chock. My original carb
was
rebuilt about two years ago by an old time shop. Please email me if
you have
any advice. Thanks in advance. Fred
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:37:00 +0000
From: Roland <[10]willibillie at live.de>
To: "[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
A A A A <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
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We had an university study about these filters years ago. The result
was
basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper filter
and w/o
oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me on a comment
of the
German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about Group 3 motors that
where
absolute bone stock Clevelands:
Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much better !
Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
A A I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway.A A long time
ago I
A A bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
A A Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with
either car.
A A When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
A A and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and
used to be
A A an IMSA car crew chief about them.A He said stop screwing with
it,
A A you're better off with a quality paper filter.
A A Richard
A A Austin, TX
A A From: DeTomaso
<[1][14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[1]
detomaso-bounces at ser
[15]ver.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A of Mike Reilly <[2][16]reillyms at live.com><mailto:
[2][17]reillyms at live.com>
A A Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
A A To: marshallgsmith
<[3][18]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net><mailto:[3][19]marshallgsmith@
sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
A A <[4][20]MikeLDrew at aol.com><mailto:[4][21]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
Charles McCall
<[5][22]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[5][23]charlesmccall at gmail.
com>
A A Cc:
"<[6][24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[6]
detomaso at server.detomasolis
[25]t.com>"
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detomaso at server.detomasolist
.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper
element.A I
A A just
A A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my
engine
A A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N
filter.A Keep
A A it
A A A simple!
A A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A A Cc:
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detomaso at server.detomasol
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A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my
A A car
A A A does....)
A A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
A A air
A A A flow slightly.
A A A M
A A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[9][29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[9]
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.com>
A A A Date: 11/12/16A 11:59 AMA (GMT-08:00)
A A A To: Charles McCall
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gmail.com>
A A A Cc:
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A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my
A A car
A A A A A A A A does....)
A A A Charlie,
A A A You likely won't notice a difference with your
butt-o-meter. But you
A A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your
time doing
A A the
A A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead.
There are
A A how-to
A A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out
and
A A re-oil
A A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A A Mike
A A A Sent from my iPhone
A A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
A A <[13][36]charlesmccall at gmail.com><mailto:[13][37]charlesmccall@
gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A A >
A A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less.
The car was
A A A literally
A A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F
ambient
A A A temperatures, so
A A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
A A it
A A A would be
A A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a
test bay,
A A but
A A A I can
A A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the
bay. The
A A A lines tend
A A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A A >
A A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination,
and
A A A therefore we
A A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise
the rpm a
A A A little for
A A A > the test.
A A A >
A A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or
playing with
A A the
A A A timing
A A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I
have to
A A believe
A A A that
A A A > the current settings can work.
A A A >
A A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is
really,
A A really
A A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic
in the
A A dust,
A A A driven
A A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc
etc.
A A A Tomorrow it's
A A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with
the air
A A A cleaner
A A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's
clogged enough
A A to
A A A make
A A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A A >
A A A > Thanks again!
A A A >
A A A > -----Original Message-----
A A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][14]mailto:[38]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A A On Behalf
A A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A A > To:
[15][39]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[40]15]
detomaso at server.detomasolist.
com>
A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got
gas! (or my
A A car
A A A > does....)
A A A >
A A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
A A overheating).A Take
A A A it
A A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have
the
A A A emissions
A A A > tested.A If the line is too long... come back again
later.A You
A A get
A A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot
for a
A A while.
A A A >
A A A > Asa
A A A >
A A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A A > &A Shelley Marie
A A A > Spokane, WA
A A A > ******************************
A A A > [6][16][41]http://w7tsc.org
A A A > [7][17][42]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A A >
A A A >
A A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A A >>
A A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you
lean the
A A carb
A A A -
A A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A A gasoline.
A A A >>
A A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your
carburetor just
A A A needs a
A A A >> good cleaning.
A A A >>
A A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped
without taking
A A it
A A A back
A A A >> for testing.A It would help if you could take it
somewhere and
A A tune
A A A it to
A A A >> pass.
A A A >>
A A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles
McCall"
A A A >> <[18][43]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A A ><mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.
comonbehalfof>>
[19][44]charlesmccall at gmail.com<
mailto:[45]19][46]charlesmccall at gmail.com>>A wrote:
A A A >>
A A A >>>A A Hi all
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A Went for my annual safety/technical inspection
yesterday and
A A A failed
A A A > due
A A A >>>A A to two points:
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on
the list a
A A few
A A A weeks
A A A >>>A A ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but
you need to
A A be
A A A able
A A A >>>A A to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were
excessively high.
A A The
A A A > limit
A A A >>>A A hasn't been changed compared to former years, this
is the same
A A A engine
A A A >>>A A that has had its emissions tested for the past 15
years and
A A A nothing
A A A >>>A A that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels
to pass the
A A A test?
A A A >>>A A Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be
honest I don't
A A A remember
A A A >>>A A when I last cleaned it, which tells me something.
It's a K&N.
A A I
A A A seem
A A A > to
A A A >>>A A remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and
are highest
A A at
A A A idle?
A A A >>>A A If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at
idle to pass
A A the
A A A test.
A A A >>>A A Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2
emissions? I'll be
A A A happy to
A A A >>>A A share my trick for passing the emergency brake
portion, which
A A A I've
A A A >>>A A pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but
not on a
A A public
A A A > forum
A A A >>>A A J
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling
me about my
A A A engine?
A A A >>>A A Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working
properly?
A A A >>>
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie
closed
A A chamber
A A A >>>A A heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD
6AL, a
A A massaged
A A A >>>A A Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that
could be
A A A relevant
A A A >>>A A here.
A A A >>>
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A A Thanks
A A A >>>A A all!
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A A We had an university study about these filters years ago. The
result
A A was basicly, with oil these filters drain less air than a paper
filter
A A and w/o oil they drain more dirt than paper filters. Reminds me
on a
A A comment of the German DeTomaso Importer, when i asked him about
Group 3
A A motors that where absolute bone stock Clevelands:
A A Ha, when the wallet is empty the feeling of speed is much
better !
A A Am 14.11.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Richard Greenblum:
A A I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway.A A long time
ago I
A A bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
A A Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with
either car.
A A When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
A A and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and
used to be
A A an IMSA car crew chief about them.A He said stop screwing with
it,
A A you're better off with a quality paper filter.
A A Richard
A A Austin, TX
A A From: DeTomaso [1]<[1][126]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A of Mike Reilly [2]<[2][127]reillyms at live.com>
A A Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
A A To: marshallgsmith [3]<[3][128]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
A A [4]<[4][129]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
[5]<[5][130]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "[6]<[6][131]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A [7]<[7][132]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper
element.A I
A A just
A A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my
engine
A A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N
filter.A Keep
A A it
A A A simple!
A A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A A Cc: [4][8]<[8][133]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my
A A car
A A A does....)
A A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
A A air
A A A flow slightly.
A A A M
A A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso [9]<[9][134]detomaso at server.
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A A A Date: 11/12/16A 11:59 AMA (GMT-08:00)
A A A To: Charles McCall [10]<[10][135]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A A Cc: "[11]<[11][136]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my
A A car
A A A A A A A A does....)
A A A Charlie,
A A A You likely won't notice a difference with your
butt-o-meter. But you
A A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your
time doing
A A the
A A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead.
There are
A A how-to
A A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out
and
A A re-oil
A A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A A Mike
A A A Sent from my iPhone
A A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
A A [13]<[13][138]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A A >
A A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less.
The car was
A A A literally
A A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F
ambient
A A A temperatures, so
A A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
A A it
A A A would be
A A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a
test bay,
A A but
A A A I can
A A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the
bay. The
A A A lines tend
A A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A A >
A A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination,
and
A A A therefore we
A A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise
the rpm a
A A A little for
A A A > the test.
A A A >
A A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or
playing with
A A the
A A A timing
A A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I
have to
A A believe
A A A that
A A A > the current settings can work.
A A A >
A A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is
really,
A A really
A A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic
in the
A A dust,
A A A driven
A A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc
etc.
A A A Tomorrow it's
A A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with
the air
A A A cleaner
A A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's
clogged enough
A A to
A A A make
A A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A A >
A A A > Thanks again!
A A A >
A A A > -----Original Message-----
A A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][14][14]mailto:[139]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.
com]
A A A On Behalf
A A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A A > To: [[15]15][140]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got
gas! (or my
A A car
A A A > does....)
A A A >
A A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
A A overheating).A Take
A A A it
A A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have
the
A A A emissions
A A A > tested.A If the line is too long... come back again
later.A You
A A get
A A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot
for a
A A while.
A A A >
A A A > Asa
A A A >
A A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A A > &A Shelley Marie
A A A > Spokane, WA
A A A > ******************************
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A A A >
A A A >
A A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A A >>
A A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you
lean the
A A carb
A A A -
A A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A A gasoline.
A A A >>
A A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your
carburetor just
A A A needs a
A A A >> good cleaning.
A A A >>
A A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped
without taking
A A it
A A A back
A A A >> for testing.A It would help if you could take it
somewhere and
A A tune
A A A it to
A A A >> pass.
A A A >>
A A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles
McCall"
A A A >> [18]<[18][143]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
on behalf of
A A A >> [[19]19][144]charlesmccall at gmail.com>A wrote:
A A A >>
A A A >>>A A Hi all
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A Went for my annual safety/technical inspection
yesterday and
A A A failed
A A A > due
A A A >>>A A to two points:
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on
the list a
A A few
A A A weeks
A A A >>>A A ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but
you need to
A A be
A A A able
A A A >>>A A to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were
excessively high.
A A The
A A A > limit
A A A >>>A A hasn't been changed compared to former years, this
is the same
A A A engine
A A A >>>A A that has had its emissions tested for the past 15
years and
A A A nothing
A A A >>>A A that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels
to pass the
A A A test?
A A A >>>A A Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be
honest I don't
A A A remember
A A A >>>A A when I last cleaned it, which tells me something.
It's a K&N.
A A I
A A A seem
A A A > to
A A A >>>A A remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and
are highest
A A at
A A A idle?
A A A >>>A A If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at
idle to pass
A A the
A A A test.
A A A >>>A A Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2
emissions? I'll be
A A A happy to
A A A >>>A A share my trick for passing the emergency brake
portion, which
A A A I've
A A A >>>A A pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but
not on a
A A public
A A A > forum
A A A >>>A A J
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling
me about my
A A A engine?
A A A >>>A A Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working
properly?
A A A >>>
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie
closed
A A chamber
A A A >>>A A heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD
6AL, a
A A massaged
A A A >>>A A Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that
could be
A A A relevant
A A A >>>A A here.
A A A >>>
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A A Thanks
A A A >>>A A all!
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:39:02 -0500
From: [314]jderyke at aol.com
To: [315]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Message-ID: <[316]15864599414-1159-97ca at webprd-a24.mail.aol.com>
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In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions to
improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before adding
a quart
or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause the engine to
run rich.
And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a moderately warmed-up
engine.
Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees (not too much)
sometimes
helps. You can reset it later. Good luck, Charlie- J Deryke
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A A A (Mike Reilly)
A A 3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A A (Pantdino)
A A 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
A A 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
From: Charles McCall <[323]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Detomaso Email List" <[324]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
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Hi all
I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's just
say that I
have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is more
than 15
years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing it
once with a
garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was more
or less
what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
instructions.
Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter removed.
No, I
wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to protect the
carb
(:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just couldn't
breathe
before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance. The
last few
times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm upA
- even
after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a little
rough.
Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel a
difference.
No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are correct,
Will,
not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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A A Hi all
A A I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this
filter is
A A more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
A A rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition of
A A the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
A A followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have to
A A find new homes I think!
A A I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No, I
A A wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
A A The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever to
A A warm upA - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt,
well, cold
A A and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
A A I could feel a difference.
A A No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
From: Mike Reilly <[326]reillyms at live.com>
To: marshallgsmith <[327]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike Drew
A A A A <[328]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
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Cc: "<[330]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A A A <[331]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
A A A A does....)
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I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element.A I
just
replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
performance
enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.A Keep it simple!
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: marshallgsmith<mailto:[332]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
To: Mike Drew<mailto:[333]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
McCall<mailto:[334]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil restricts
air flow
slightly.
M
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[337]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/12/16A 11:59 AMA (GMT-08:00)
To: Charles McCall <[338]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: "<[339]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
A A A A A does....)
Charlie,
You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter. But you
should
definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time doing the
test
drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There are how-to
videos on
Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and re-oil with K&N
oil.
You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle shop.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[341]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to all who answered.
>
> I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
> idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures,
so
> I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting,
it would
be
> difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but I
can
> let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines
tend
> to be pretty long where I go anyway...
>
> I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore we
> should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little
for
> the test.
>
> I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
> - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe that
> the current settings can work.
>
> I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
> clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
> down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
it's
> supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
> removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to make
> me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
> seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[342]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
> To: [343]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
> does....)
>
> Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).A
Take it
> for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
> tested.A If the line is too long... come back again later.A You
get
> better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> &A Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
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>
> On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>>
>> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb -
>> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>>
>> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
>> good cleaning.
>>
>> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it back
>> for testing.A It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune it to
>> pass.
>>
>> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
>> <[346]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [347]charlesmccall at gmail.com>A wrote:
>>
>>>A A Hi all
>>>
>>>A A Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
> due
>>>A A to two points:
>>>
>>>A A 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few weeks
>>>A A ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be able
>>>A A to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>>
>>>A A 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
> limit
>>>A A hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same engine
>>>A A that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>>>A A that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>>
>>>A A 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the test?
>>>A A Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>>>A A when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I seem
> to
>>>A A remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at idle?
>>>A A If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the test.
>>>A A Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be happy to
>>>A A share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which I've
>>>A A pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
> forum
>>>A A J
>>>
>>>A A 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my engine?
>>>A A Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>>
>>>
>>>A A Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
>>>A A heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
>>>A A Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>>>A A here.
>>>
>>>
>>>A A I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>>>A A all!
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A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element.A
I just
A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.A
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A Cc: [4]<[360]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[361]detomaso at server.detomasolist.
com>
A A Date: 11/12/16A 11:59 AMA (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[362]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[363]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[364]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A A A A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[365]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:[366]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [367]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating).A Take
A A it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested.A If the line is too long... come back again later.A
You get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > &A Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [6][368]http://w7tsc.org
A A > [7][369]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A >> for testing.A It would help if you could take it somewhere
and tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <[370]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A >> [371]charlesmccall at gmail.com>A wrote:
A A >>
A A >>>A A Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>>A A Went for my annual safety/technical inspection
yesterday and
A A failed
A A > due
A A >>>A A to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>>A A 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the
list a few
A A weeks
A A >>>A A ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you
need to be
A A able
A A >>>A A to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>>A A 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A > limit
A A >>>A A hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is
the same
A A engine
A A >>>A A that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years
and
A A nothing
A A >>>A A that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>>A A 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to
pass the
A A test?
A A >>>A A Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>>A A when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's
a K&N. I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>>A A remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >>>A A If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass the
A A test.
A A >>>A A Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions?
I'll be
A A happy to
A A >>>A A share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >>>A A pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not
on a public
A A > forum
A A >>>A A J
A A >>>
A A >>>A A 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me
about my
A A engine?
A A >>>A A Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working
properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>>A A Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie
closed chamber
A A >>>A A heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL,
a massaged
A A >>>A A Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that
could be
A A relevant
A A >>>A A here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>>A A I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >>>A A all!
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
From: Pantdino <[396]pantdino at aol.com>
To: [397]charlesmccall at gmail.com
Cc: [398]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
A A A A does....)
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I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car around he
block
in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
<[400]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I have
a
problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive to
the
testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to get in
line and wait.
Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15
minutes,
and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was horrible.
I
knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine running.
It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut off
would mean a fairly cold block.
I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine but
without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but
carbon)
The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the heck
out
of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the cobwebs
out?
From: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:[401]asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
To: Charles McCall
Cc: [402]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
No Charlie, you misunderstand...
An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It will
be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how
"warmed
up it is."
You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test it. It
needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken high,.....
Blow
out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you idle
for
any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT spend
time idling in line, it will kill your test.
Asa
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
Charles McCall <[1][403]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you to all who answered.
I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car was
literally
idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
temperatures, so
I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and waiting, it
would be
difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test bay,
but I
can
let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay. The
lines
tend
to be pretty long where I go anyway...
I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore
we
should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm a
little
for
the test.
I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing with
the
timing
- neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
that
the current settings can work.
I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really, really
clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
driven
down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
it's
supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged enough
to
make
me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
Thanks again!
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:[404]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
To: [3][405]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating). Take
it
for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You get
better test results when it's been running good and hot for a while.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[4][406]http://w7tsc.org
[5][407]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
>
> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean the
carb
-
> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of burning
gasoline.
>
> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor just
needs a
> good cleaning.
>
> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without taking
it
back
> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and tune
it to
> pass.
>
> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
> <[6][408]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [7][409]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
failed
due
>> to two points:
>>
>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a few
weeks
>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need to be
able
>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
>>
>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively high. The
limit
>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the same
engine
>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
>>
>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass the
test?
>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
remember
>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a K&N. I
seem
to
>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are highest at
idle?
>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass the
test.
>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll be
happy to
>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion, which
I've
>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a public
forum
>> J
>>
>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about my
engine?
>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
>>
>>
>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed chamber
>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a massaged
>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
relevant
>> here.
>>
>>
>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
Thanks
>> all!
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
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To: Charles McCall <[438]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <[439]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
Message-ID: <[440]9C7A3F8F-21AE-48B4-BB53-9A5B268B1A02 at gmail.com>
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Good catch on the air filter.
Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle
screws.A This
increases NOx, but reduces CO.
That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter.A It's
too rich.
Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum.A That's
where you get
the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
<[441]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>A A Hi all
>
>
>A A I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
>A A that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this
filter is
>A A more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
>A A rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition of
>A A the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
>A A followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have to
>A A find new homes I think!
>
>
>A A I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No, I
>A A wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
>A A carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
>A A breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
>A A The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever to
>A A warm upA - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt,
well, cold
>A A and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
>A A I could feel a difference.
>
>
> No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
>A A Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
From: Richard Greenblum <[444]Richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: "<[445]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A A A <[446]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
A A A A does....)
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I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway.A A long time ago
I bought
into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.A
Never
noticed any difference in performance or milage with either car.A
When my
K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing and
re-oiling,
I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA car
crew
chief about them.A He said stop screwing with it, you?re better off
with a
quality paper filter.
Richard
Austin, TX
From:A DeTomaso <[448]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of Mike
Reilly <[449]reillyms at live.com>
Date:A Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
To:A marshallgsmith <[450]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, MikeDrew
<[451]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[452]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc:A "<[453]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
<[454]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my
car
does....)
A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element.A
I just
A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.A
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A Cc: [4]<[455]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[456]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Date: 11/12/16A 11:59 AMA (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[457]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[458]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[459]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A A A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[460]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:[461]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [462]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
overheating).A Take
A A it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested.A If the line is too long... come back again later.A
You get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > &A Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [6][463]http://w7tsc.org
A A > [7][464]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A >> for testing.A It would help if you could take it somewhere
and tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <[465]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A >> [466]charlesmccall at gmail.com>A wrote:
A A >>
A A >>>A A Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>>A A Went for my annual safety/technical inspection
yesterday and
A A failed
A A > due
A A >>>A A to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>>A A 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the
list a few
A A weeks
A A >>>A A ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you
need to be
A A able
A A >>>A A to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>>A A 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A > limit
A A >>>A A hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is
the same
A A engine
A A >>>A A that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years
and
A A nothing
A A >>>A A that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>>A A 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to
pass the
A A test?
A A >>>A A Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>>A A when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's
a K&N. I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>>A A remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >>>A A If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass the
A A test.
A A >>>A A Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions?
I'll be
A A happy to
A A >>>A A share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >>>A A pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not
on a public
A A > forum
A A >>>A A J
A A >>>
A A >>>A A 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me
about my
A A engine?
A A >>>A A Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working
properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>>A A Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie
closed chamber
A A >>>A A heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL,
a massaged
A A >>>A A Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that
could be
A A relevant
A A >>>A A here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>>A A I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >>>A A all!
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A A I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway.A A long time
ago I
A A bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
A A Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with
either car.
A A When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
A A and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and
used to be
A A an IMSA car crew chief about them.A He said stop screwing with
it,
A A you're better off with a quality paper filter.
A A Richard
A A Austin, TX
A A From: DeTomaso <[1][493]detomaso-bounces at server.
detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A of Mike Reilly <[2][494]reillyms at live.com>
A A Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
A A To: marshallgsmith <[3][495]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
A A <[4][496]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[5][497]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[6][498]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[7][499]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper
element.A I
A A just
A A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my
engine
A A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N
filter.A Keep
A A it
A A A simple!
A A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A A Cc: [4]<[8][500]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my
A A car
A A A does....)
A A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
A A air
A A A flow slightly.
A A A M
A A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A A -------- Original message --------
A A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][501]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
A A A Date: 11/12/16A 11:59 AMA (GMT-08:00)
A A A To: Charles McCall <[10][502]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A A Cc: "<[11][503]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A A <[12][504]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my
A A car
A A A A A A A A does....)
A A A Charlie,
A A A You likely won't notice a difference with your
butt-o-meter. But you
A A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your
time doing
A the
A A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead.
There are
A A how-to
A A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out
and
A A re-oil
A A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A A Mike
A A A Sent from my iPhone
A A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
A A <[13][505]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A A >
A A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less.
The car was
A A A literally
A A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F
ambient
A A A temperatures, so
A A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
A A it
A A A would be
A A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a
test bay,
A but
A A A I can
A A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the
bay. The
A A A lines tend
A A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A >
A A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination,
and
A A A therefore we
A A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise
the rpm a
A A A little for
A A A > the test.
A A A >
A A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or
playing with
A A the
A A A timing
A A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I
have to
A A believe
A A A that
A A A > the current settings can work.
A A A >
A A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is
really,
A A really
A A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic
in the
A A dust,
A A A driven
A A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc
etc.
A Tomorrow it's
A A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with
the air
A A A cleaner
A A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's
clogged enough
A A to
A A A make
A A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A A >
A A A > Thanks again!
A A A >
A A A > -----Original Message-----
A A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][14]mailto:[506]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A A On Behalf
A A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A A > To: [15][507]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got
gas! (or my
A A car
A A A > does....)
A A A >
A A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
A A overheating).A Take
A A A it
A A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have
the
A A A emissions
A A A > tested.A If the line is too long... come back again
later.A You
A A get
A A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot
for a
A A while.
A A A >
A A A > Asa
A A A >
A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A A > &A Shelley Marie
A A A > Spokane, WA
A A A > ******************************
A A A > [6][16][508]http://w7tsc.org
A A A > [7][17][509]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A A >
A A A >
A A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A A >>
A A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you
lean the
A A carb
A A A -
A A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A A gasoline.
A A A >>
A A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your
carburetor just
A A A needs a
A A A >> good cleaning.
A A A >>
A A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped
without taking
A A it
A A A back
A A A >> for testing.A It would help if you could take it
somewhere and
A A tune
A A A it to
A A A >> pass.
A A A >>
A A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles
McCall"
A A A >> <[18][510]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A >> [19][511]charlesmccall at gmail.com>A wrote:
A A A >>
A A A >>>A A Hi all
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A Went for my annual safety/technical inspection
yesterday and
A failed
A A A > due
A A A >>>A A to two points:
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on
the list a
A A few
A A A weeks
A A A >>>A A ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but
you need to
A A be
A A A able
A A A >>>A A to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A >>>
A A A >>>A A 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were
excessively high.
A The
A A A > limit
A A A >>>A A hasn't been changed compared to former years, this
is the same
A A A engine
A A A >>>A A that has had its emissions tested for the past 15
years and
A A A nothing
A A A >>>A A that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels
to pass the
A A A test?
A A A >>>A A Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be
honest I don't
A A A remember
A A A >>>A A when I last cleaned it, which tells me something.
It's a K&N.
A A I
A A A seem
A A A > to
A A A >>>A A remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and
are highest
A at
A A A idle?
A A A >>>A A If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at
idle to pass
A A the
A A A test.
A A A >>>A A Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2
emissions? I'll be
A A A happy to
A A A >>>A A share my trick for passing the emergency brake
portion, which
A A A I've
A A A >>>A A pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but
not on a
A A public
A A A > forum
A A A >>>A A J
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling
me about my
A A A engine?
A A A >>>A A Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working
properly?
A A A >>>
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie
closed
A A chamber
A A A >>>A A heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD
6AL, a
A A massaged
A A A >>>A A Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that
could be
A A A relevant
A A A >>>A here.
A A A >>>
A A A >>>
A A A >>>A A I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
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A A In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions
A A to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before
adding
A A a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause
the engine
A A to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a
moderately
A A warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees
(not
A A too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck,
Charlie-
A A J Deryke
A A -----Original Message-----
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A A Today's Topics:
A A 1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
A A 2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Mike Reilly)
A A 3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Pantdino)
A A 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
A A 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Richard Greenblum)
A A ------------------------------------------------------------
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A A Message: 1
A A Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
A A From: Charles McCall <[5][590]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6][591]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
A A Message-ID: <000601d23dd4$096571d0$1c305570$@[592]gmail.com>
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A A Hi all
A A I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A that I
A A have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than
A A 15
A A years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing
it once
A A with a
A A garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was
more or
A A less
A A what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
A A instructions.
A A Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
A A I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No, I
A A wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A carb
A A (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A breathe
A A before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last
A A few
A A times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm
up -
A A even
A A after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a
little
A A rough.
A A Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel
a
A A difference.
A A No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A Will,
A A not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
A A -------------- next part --------------
A A Hi all
A A I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this
filter is
A A more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
A A rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition of
A A the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
A A followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have to
A A find new homes I think!
A A I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No, I
A A wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
A A The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever to
A A warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt,
well, cold
A A and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
A A I could feel a difference.
A A No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
A A ------------------------------
A A Message: 2
A A Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
A A From: Mike Reilly <[7][593]reillyms at live.com>
A A To: marshallgsmith <[8][594]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Mike
Drew
A A <[9][595]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[10][596]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[11][597]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[12][598]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Message-ID:
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A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
A A replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:[600]mars
hallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:[601]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
A A McCall<[16]mailto:[602]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc:
A A <[17][603]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:[604]d
etomaso at server.detom
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A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19][606]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[20][607]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[21][608]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[22][609]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[23][610]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso [[24]mailto:[611]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: s?bado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [25][612]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [26][613]http://w7tsc.org
A A > [27][614]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere
and tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <detomaso-[28][615]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
A A >> [29][616]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>> Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and failed
A A > due
A A >>> to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
A A weeks
A A >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be
A A able
A A >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A > limit
A A >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
nothing
A A >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the test?
A A >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass the
A A test.
A A >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be happy
A A to
A A >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which I've
A A >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
A A > forum
A A >>> J
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
A A >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
A A >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >>> here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing. Thanks
A A >>> all!
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A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A Cc: [4]<[41][629]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[42][630]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[43][631]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[44][632]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[45][633]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[46][634]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][47]mailto:[635]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [48][636]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
A A it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [6][49][637]http://w7tsc.org
A A > [7][50][638]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere
and tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <detomaso-[51][639]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
A A >> [52][640]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>> Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
A A failed
A A > due
A A >>> to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
A A weeks
A A >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be
A A able
A A >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A > limit
A A >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
A A nothing
A A >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
A A test?
A A >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass the
A A test.
A A >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
A A happy to
A A >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
A A > forum
A A >>> J
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
A A >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
A A >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >>> here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >>> all!
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A A Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:20:10 -0500
A A From: Pantdino <[77][665]pantdino at aol.com>
A A To: [78][666]charlesmccall at gmail.com
A A Cc: [79][667]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
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A A I have them tell me when it almost my turn and run the car
around he
A A block in first gear so it can then go into the test bay
A A Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
A A On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Charles McCall
A A <[80][669]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A OK, thanks. It's very helpful to understand the theory - now I
have a
A A problem in applying it. I have a nice, 20 minute highway drive
to the
A A testing station, but the only way to reach the sniffer is to
get in
A A line and wait.
A A Yesterday was very frustrating - typically the wait is 10-15
minutes,
A A and I don't know what happened yesterday but the wait was
horrible. I
A A knew that a cold engine was a problem so I kept the engine
running.
A A It's cold here in November, and 45 minutes with the engine shut
off
A A would mean a fairly cold block.
A A I wonder which is worse - shutting the engine off (cold engine
but
A A without all the carbon/etc) or letting it idle (warm engine but
carbon)
A A The wait isn't something I can control. Would just revving the
heck out
A A of the engine before entering the test bay help blow the
cobwebs out?
A A From: Asa Jay Laughton [[81]mailto:[670]asajay at asajay.com]
A A Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:53
A A To: Charles McCall
A A Cc: [82][671]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A No Charlie, you misunderstand...
A A An engine IDLED for 45 minutes is nearly guaranteed to FAIL. It
will
A A be so loaded with carbon it can't possibly pass, no matter how
"warmed
A A up it is."
A A You need to be DRIVING it for 45 minutes and immediately test
it. It
A A needs to be taken through the gears, engine rpms taken
high,..... Blow
A A out the cobwebs, the carbon build-up, etc. Then test. If you
idle for
A A any length of time waiting in line... rinse and repeat. Do NOT
spend
A A time idling in line, it will kill your test.
A A Asa
A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
A A Charles McCall <[1][83][672]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A Thank you to all who answered.
A A I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The car
was
A A literally
A A idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but I
A A can
A A let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The lines
A A tend
A A to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
therefore
A A we
A A should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the rpm
a little
A A for
A A the test.
A A I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A the current settings can work.
A A I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in the
dust,
A A driven
A A down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
Tomorrow
A A it's
A A supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the air
cleaner
A A removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A Thanks again!
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso [[2][84]mailto:[673]detomaso-
bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A On
A A Behalf
A A Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A To: [3][85][674]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take it
A A for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
emissions
A A tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
A A better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A Asa
A A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A & Shelley Marie
A A Spokane, WA
A A ******************************
A A [4][86][675]http://w7tsc.org
A A [5][87][676]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
A A On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A > You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >
A A > My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A > which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >
A A > If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A > good cleaning.
A A >
A A > The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A > for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere and
tune
A A it to
A A > pass.
A A >
A A > On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A > <[6]detomaso-[88][677]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A > [7][89][678]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >
A A >> Hi all
A A >>
A A >> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday and
A A failed
A A due
A A >> to two points:
A A >>
A A >> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
A A weeks
A A >> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be
A A able
A A >> to open the door from outside and inside to pass inspection.
A A >>
A A >> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A limit
A A >> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
A A nothing
A A >> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>
A A >> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
A A test?
A A >> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I don't
A A remember
A A >> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I
A A seem
A A to
A A >> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to pass
the
A A test.
A A >> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
A A happy to
A A >> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
A A forum
A A >> J
A A >>
A A >> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
A A >> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
A A >> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >> here.
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >> all!
A A >> _______________________________________________
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
A A >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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A A Message: 4
A A Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:41:21 -0500
A A From: Will Kooiman <[117][706]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A To: Charles McCall <[118][707]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Detomaso Email List <[119][708]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
A A Message-ID: <9C7A3F8F-21AE-48B4-BB53-[120][709]
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A A Good catch on the air filter.
A A Regarding CO, my understanding is to lean it out with the idle
screws.
A A This increases NOx, but reduces CO.
A A That's why your CO levels were so high with a dirty filter.
It's too
A A rich.
A A Or, just tune the idle screws for highest idle vacuum. That's
where you
A A get the best performance and you'll probably pass too.
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A > On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Charles McCall
A A <[121][710]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >
A A > Hi all
A A >
A A >
A A > I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A > that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this
filter is
A A > more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
A A > rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition
A A of
A A > the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
A A > followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families
will have
A A to
A A > find new homes I think!
A A >
A A >
A A > I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No,
A A I
A A > wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A > carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A > breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
A A > The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever
A A to
A A > warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt,
well, cold
A A > and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
A A stumbles...
A A > I could feel a difference.
A A >
A A >
A A > No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A > Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
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A A Message: 5
A A Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:18:01 -0600
A A From: Richard Greenblum <[124][713]Richard@
richardgreenblum.com>
A A To: "<[125][714]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[126][715]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
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A A I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time
ago I
A A bought
A A into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and Pantera.
Never
A A noticed any difference in performance or milage with either
car. When
A A my
A A K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of washing
and
A A re-oiling,
A A I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and used to be an IMSA
car
A A crew
A A chief about them. He said stop screwing with it, you?re better
off with
A A a
A A quality paper filter.
A A Richard
A A Austin, TX
A A From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[128][717]bounces at server.
detomasolist.com> on
A A behalf of Mike
A A Reilly <[129][718]reillyms at live.com>
A A Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
A A To: marshallgsmith <[130][719]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
A A <[131][720]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[132][721]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[133][722]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[134][723]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A Cc: [4]<[135][724]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
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A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[136][725]detomaso at server.
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A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[137][726]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[138][727]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[139][728]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
<[140][729]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting, it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay, but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][141]mailto:[730]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [142][731]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not overheating).
Take
A A it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
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A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking it
A A back
A A >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere
and tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <detomaso-[145][734]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A >> [146][735]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>> Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
A A failed
A A > due
A A >>> to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
few
A A weeks
A A >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to be
A A able
A A >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high. The
A A > limit
A A >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
A A nothing
A A >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
A A test?
A A >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N. I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest at
A A idle?
A A >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass the
A A test.
A A >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
A A happy to
A A >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
public
A A > forum
A A >>> J
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
chamber
A A >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
massaged
A A >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >>> here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >>> all!
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A A I may get slammed for this, but here goes anyway. A long time
ago I
A A bought into the K&N thing and put them on my daily driver and
Pantera.
A A Never noticed any difference in performance or milage with
either car.
A A When my K&N rejuvenation kit ran out of spray, after years of
washing
A A and re-oiling, I asked a friend of mine who owns a shop and
used to be
A A an IMSA car crew chief about them. He said stop screwing with
it,
A A you're better off with a quality paper filter.
A A Richard
A A Austin, TX
A A From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[173][762]bounces@
server.detomasolist.com> on
A A behalf
A A of Mike Reilly <[2][174][763]reillyms at live.com>
A A Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 14:05
A A To: marshallgsmith <[3][175][764]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
MikeDrew
A A <[4][176][765]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
A A <[5][177][766]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[6][178][767]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[7][179][768]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
A A just
A A replace it each year and really don't feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep
A A it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: [1]marshallgsmith
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: [2]Mike Drew; [3]Charles McCall
A A Cc: [4]<[8][180][769]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
A A car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts
A A air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[9][181][770]detomaso at server.
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A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
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A A Cc: "<[11][183][772]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[12][184][773]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my
A A car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing
A A the
A A test drive--use that time to clean the filter instead. There
are
A A how-to
A A videos on Youtube. You should rinse it from the inside out and
A A re-oil
A A with K&N oil. You can probably find the oil at a motorcycle
shop.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:53, Charles McCall
A A <[13][185][774]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A > Thank you to all who answered.
A A >
A A > I understand that a warm engine will contaminate less. The
car was
A A literally
A A > idling for 45 minutes before testing, albeit in 45F ambient
A A temperatures, so
A A > I think it was properly warmed up. Due to the lines and
waiting,
A A it
A A would be
A A > difficult to come off the highway and roll right into a test
bay,
A A but
A A I can
A A > let it idle for as long as I'd like before entering the bay.
The
A A lines tend
A A > to be pretty long where I go anyway...
A A >
A A > I understand that higher rpms will reduce contamination, and
A A therefore we
A A > should all drive faster to save the planet! I'll raise the
rpm a
A A little for
A A > the test.
A A >
A A > I'm reluctant to fiddle with leaning out the idle or playing
with
A A the
A A timing
A A > - neither have been touched since previous years so I have to
A A believe
A A that
A A > the current settings can work.
A A >
A A > I'm also cautiously optimistic that the air filter is really,
A A really
A A > clogged. I've spent a weekend camping at Le Mans Classic in
the
A A dust,
A A driven
A A > down a 2,5 km dirt road a bunch of times in Denmark, etc etc.
A A Tomorrow it's
A A > supposed to be nice so I'll drive around the block with the
air
A A cleaner
A A > removed and see if I notice any difference. If it's clogged
enough
A A to
A A make
A A > me fail emissions, maybe I'll notice something with the
A A > seat-of-the-pants-o-meter.
A A >
A A > Thanks again!
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso
A A [[5][14][186]mailto:[775]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.
com]
A A On Behalf
A A > Of Asa Jay Laughton
A A > Sent: sabado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 17:47
A A > To: [15][187][776]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas!
(or my
A A car
A A > does....)
A A >
A A > Also, make sure the engine is good and hot (not
A A overheating). Take
A A it
A A > for a good long spirited drive and then immediately have the
A A emissions
A A > tested. If the line is too long... come back again later. You
A A get
A A > better test results when it's been running good and hot for a
A A while.
A A >
A A > Asa
A A >
A A > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
A A > & Shelley Marie
A A > Spokane, WA
A A > ******************************
A A > [6][16][188][777]http://w7tsc.org
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A A >
A A >
A A > On 11/12/2016 3:04 AM, Will Kooiman wrote:
A A >> You mean CO and not CO2, right?
A A >>
A A >> My understanding is to reduce CO and increase Nox, you lean
the
A A carb
A A -
A A >> which should also reduce CO2, since it is a byproduct of
burning
A A gasoline.
A A >>
A A >> If nothing has changed on your car, perhaps your carburetor
just
A A needs a
A A >> good cleaning.
A A >>
A A >> The hardest part is knowing if your changes helped without
taking
A A it
A A back
A A >> for testing. It would help if you could take it somewhere
and
A A tune
A A it to
A A >> pass.
A A >>
A A >> On 11/12/16, 5:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall"
A A >> <[18]detomaso-[190][779]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A >> [19][191][780]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>> Hi all
A A >>>
A A >>> Went for my annual safety/technical inspection yesterday
and
A A failed
A A > due
A A >>> to two points:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) My car door handle is damaged as mentioned on the list a
A A few
A A weeks
A A >>> ago... a replacement is coming for Christmas, but you need
to
A A be
A A able
A A >>> to open the door from outside and inside to pass
inspection.
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Most worrying is that my CO2 levels were excessively
high.
A A The
A A > limit
A A >>> hasn't been changed compared to former years, this is the
same
A A engine
A A >>> that has had its emissions tested for the past 15 years and
A A nothing
A A >>> that I am aware of has changed. Two questions:
A A >>>
A A >>> 1) What can I change/check to lower my CO2 levels to pass
the
A A test?
A A >>> Will begin by cleaning the air filter - to be honest I
don't
A A remember
A A >>> when I last cleaned it, which tells me something. It's a
K&N.
A A I
A A seem
A A > to
A A >>> remember that CO2 levels lower at higher rpms and are
highest
A A at
A A idle?
A A >>> If this is the case then I'll raise the rpms at idle to
pass
A A the
A A test.
A A >>> Any other tricks to temporarily reduce CO2 emissions? I'll
be
A A happy to
A A >>> share my trick for passing the emergency brake portion,
which
A A I've
A A >>> pretty much got down pat now due to practice, but not on a
A A public
A A > forum
A A >>> J
A A >>>
A A >>> 2) Perhaps more importantly, what is this telling me about
my
A A engine?
A A >>> Is it sick? Is there something that isn't working properly?
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Don't know if it matters but the engine has Aussie closed
A A chamber
A A >>> heads, a Compcams 282S solid lifter camshaft, MSD 6AL, a
A A massaged
A A >>> Holley 650DP. Don't think I left out anything that could be
A A relevant
A A >>> here.
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> I have 20 days to "fix it" and bring it back for
re-testing.
A A Thanks
A A >>> all!
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:48:15 -0800
From: Larry Stock <[1118]larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: <[1119]jderyke at aol.com>, <[1120]detomaso at server.detomasolist.
com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 149, Issue 14
Message-ID: <[1121]D44F624C.16E55A%larrys at panteraparts.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;A A A A charset="US-ASCII"
Run it at 6 degrees advance and turn down the idle screws quarter to
half
turn in to lean. If that doesn't doit, Run my carburetor.
Larry
On 11/14/16 11:39 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via
DeTomaso"
<[1122]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[1123]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A In some cases, adding 10% alcohol into your gas tank causes
emissions
A A to improve. Make sure the tank is no more than half full before
adding
A A a quart or two of alky. A dirty air filter will always cause
the engine
A A to run rich. And a smoking-hot engine tests better than a
moderately
A A warmed-up engine. Finally, retarding the ignition a few degrees
(not
A A too much) sometimes helps. You can reset it later. Good luck,
Charlie-
A A J Deryke
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: detomaso-request <[1124]detomaso-request at server.
detomasolist.com>
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A A Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2016 9:00 am
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A A Today's Topics:
A A 1. Today's revelation - air is good (Charles McCall)
A A 2. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Mike Reilly)
A A 3. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Pantdino)
A A 4. Re: Today's revelation - air is good (Will Kooiman)
A A 5. Re: Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or my car does....)
A A (Richard Greenblum)
A A ------------------------------------------------------------
----------
A A Message: 1
A A Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:33:23 +0100
A A From: Charles McCall <[5][1130]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A To: "Detomaso Email List" <[6][1131]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Today's revelation - air is good
A A Message-ID: <000601d23dd4$096571d0$1c305570$@[1132]gmail.com>
A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
A A Hi all
A A I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A that I
A A have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this filter is
more than
A A 15
A A years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I remember rinsing
it once
A A with a
A A garden hose many moons ago, but the condition of the filter was
more or
A A less
A A what one would expect if one had never followed the cleaning
A A instructions.
A A Several mice families will have to find new homes I think!
A A I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No, I
A A wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A carb
A A (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A breathe
A A before! There was a noticeable difference in the performance.
The last
A A few
A A times I drove, it acted as though it was taking forever to warm
up -
A A even
A A after an hour on the highway. It just felt, well, cold and a
little
A A rough.
A A Today it felt looser, freer revving, no stumbles. I could feel
a
A A difference.
A A No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A Will,
A A not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
A A -------------- next part --------------
A A Hi all
A A I removed the air filter today and took a closer look. Let's
just say
A A that I have never, ever owned K&N filter cleaner, and this
filter is
A A more than 15 years old. I've oiled it, yes, and I think I
remember
A A rinsing it once with a garden hose many moons ago, but the
condition of
A A the filter was more or less what one would expect if one had
never
A A followed the cleaning instructions. Several mice families will
have to
A A find new homes I think!
A A I took the car for a 20 minute drive with the air filter
removed. No, I
A A wasn't too worried - I had the engine screen in place to
protect the
A A carb (:-p) I came to the conclusion that my poor engine just
couldn't
A A breathe before! There was a noticeable difference in the
performance.
A A The last few times I drove, it acted as though it was taking
forever to
A A warm up - even after an hour on the highway. It just felt,
well, cold
A A and a little rough. Today it felt looser, freer revving, no
stumbles...
A A I could feel a difference.
A A No idea if that alone will reduce my CO emissions (you are
correct,
A A Will, not CO2) but I'm pretty optimistic.
A A ------------------------------
A A Message: 2
A A Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:05:18 +0000
A A From: Mike Reilly <[7][1133]reillyms at live.com>
A A To: marshallgsmith <[8][1134]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>,
Mike Drew
A A <[9][1135]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Charles McCall
<[10][1136]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[11][1137]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[12][1138]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Message-ID:
A A <[13]MWHPR13MB180819E0A07EB284DFA9BA93BABD0 at MWHPR13MB1808.
namprd13.prod
A A .[1139]outlook.com>
A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
A A I recently ditched my K&N filter for a quality paper element. I
just
A A replace it each year and really don?t feel it impacts my engine
A A performance enough for me to notice compared to a K&N filter.
Keep it
A A simple!
A A Sent from my Windows 10 phone
A A From: marshallgsmith<[14]mailto:[1140]mars
hallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
A A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:12 PM
A A To: Mike Drew<[15]mailto:[1141]MikeLDrew at aol.com>; Charles
A A McCall<[16]mailto:[1142]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc:
A A <[17][1143]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><[18]mailto:[1144]d
etomaso at server.detom
A A [1145]asolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A I would not oil the filter till 'after' the test.The oil
restricts air
A A flow slightly.
A A M
A A Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
A A -------- Original message --------
A A From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[19][1146]detomaso at server.
detomasolist.com>
A A Date: 11/12/16 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00)
A A To: Charles McCall <[20][1147]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "<[21][1148]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
A A <[22][1149]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine help needed - I've got gas! (or
my car
A A does....)
A A Charlie,
A A You likely won't notice a difference with your butt-o-meter.
But you
A A should definitely just clean the filter. Don't east your time
doing the
A A test drive--use
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739. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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741. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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743. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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747. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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755. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
756. http://www.avg.com/
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784. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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786. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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799. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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801. http://www.avg.com/
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924. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
925. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
926. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
927. http://www.avg.com/
928. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
929. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
930. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
931. mailto:pantdino at aol.com
932. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
933. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
934. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
935. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
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937. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
938. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
939. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
940. http://w7tsc.org/
941. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
942. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
943. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
944. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
945. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
946. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
947. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
948. http://www.avg.com/
949. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
950. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
951. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
952. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
953. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
954. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
955. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
956. http://w7tsc.org/
957. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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962. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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964. http://www.avg.com/
965. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
966. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
967. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
968. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
969. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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979. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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998. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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1004. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1005. http://www.avg.com/
1006. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1008. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1018. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1019. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1020. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1021. http://www.avg.com/
1022. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1023. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1024. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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1032. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1048. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1049. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1050. http://www.avg.com/
1051. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1053. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1060. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
1061. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
1062. http://w7tsc.org/
1063. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
1064. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1065. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1066. http://www.avg.com/
1067. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1068. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
1069. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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1077. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1087. http://w7tsc.org/
1088. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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1107. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
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1109. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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1132. http://gmail.com/
1133. mailto:reillyms at live.com
1134. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
1135. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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1137. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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1140. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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