[DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
Mike Reilly
reillyms at live.com
Sun May 29 18:43:02 EDT 2016
When I was in the Service we had the saying “Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way!”. Seems like some folks in our community need to pick one of these three options. I GREATLY appreciate those who volunteer to help run our club and keep us focused on the awesome DeTomaso automobiles that created our community. Thanks to everyone who volunteers! Mike
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
Thank you for your extremely intelligent and brave point of view! Your signing salutation is awesome! PEACE FELLOW CAT OWNERS!
I second that!
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> On May 29, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and
> non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very
> personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
>
> It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to
> present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does
> nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their
> persona in the eyes of others.
>
> From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of
> the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And
> make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive,
> this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's
> value add to it's customers.
>
> As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
> newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as
> with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
>
> I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have
> folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and
> provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our
> government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a
> reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
>
> I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the
> newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take
> 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
>
> As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A
> Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide
> on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that,
> pointless.
>
> Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of
> the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that
> item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying
> financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long
> term financial health.
>
> Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a
> constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature
> irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
>
> I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to
> think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
>
> By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their
> comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle
> with a blown header gasket for years.
>
> Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
>
> Dick Koch - Atlanta
> Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky
> enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
>
> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
> See below.
>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
> period
>> A without notice.
> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at
> 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club,
> Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
>>
>> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10
> increased
>> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
> place.A The
>> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A
> Simply, use
>> A the money to pay for our publication costs.
> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority
> chapter presidents.
>> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the
> $62.52
>> A publication estimate per MS.
> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive
> quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that
> is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
>>
>> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A
> Carrying
>> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into
> 100,000
>> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in
> the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in
> reserve. You can google there income statements.
>> A OPINION:
>>
>> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4
> vote but
>> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has
>> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
> the
>> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions
> for
> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we
> have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in
> fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best
> interest of the club
> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and
> should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look
> bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
> preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as
> in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone
> instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS.
> It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and
> many others before me, and run for office.
> Kind regards
>> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.)
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When I was in the Service we had the saying "Lead, Follow or Get Out of
the Way!". Seems like some folks in our community need to pick one of
these three options. I GREATLY appreciate those who volunteer to help
run our club and keep us focused on the awesome DeTomaso automobiles
that created our community. Thanks to everyone who volunteers! Mike
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
From: [2]Effie Richards
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 11:46 AM
To: [3]redcatman74 at gmail.com
Cc: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
Thank you for your extremely intelligent and brave point of view! Your
signing salutation is awesome! PEACE FELLOW CAT OWNERS!
I second that!
Sent from Effie's iPad
> On May 29, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and
> non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many
very
> personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
>
> It is good to have different points of view on club business. But
to
> present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner,
does
> nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and
their
> persona in the eyes of others.
>
> From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many
of
> the detractors do not have much experience in running a business.
And
> make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To
thrive,
> this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance
it's
> value add to it's customers.
>
> As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
> newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options,
as
> with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
>
> I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would
have
> folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive
and
> provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our
> government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been
a
> reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
>
> I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail
the
> newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to
take
> 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
>
> As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one
person.A
> Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to
decide
> on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just
that,
> pointless.
>
> Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member
of
> the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving
that
> item would benefit the club member's experience, with the
underlying
> financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs
long
> term financial health.
>
> Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a
> constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature
> irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
>
> I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to
> think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
>
> By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their
> comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit
idle
> with a blown header gasket for years.
>
> Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
>
> Dick Koch - Atlanta
> Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky
> enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
>
> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
> See below.
>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
> period
>> A without notice.
> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning
at
> 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club,
> Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
>>
>> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10
> increased
>> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
> place.A The
>> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A
> Simply, use
>> A the money to pay for our publication costs.
> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority
> chapter presidents.
>> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the
> $62.52
>> A publication estimate per MS.
> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive
> quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer
that
> is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
>>
>> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A
> Carrying
>> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into
> 100,000
>> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve
in
> the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in
> reserve. You can google there income statements.
>> A OPINION:
>>
>> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4
> vote but
>> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has
>> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
> the
>> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions
> for
> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things
we
> have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in
> fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best
> interest of the club
> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and
> should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look
> bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
> preferably your chapter president, they are your representative
as
> in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone
> instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of
MS.
> It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and
> many others before me, and run for office.
> Kind regards
>> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.)
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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