[DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis

Effie Richards erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
Sun May 29 14:46:30 EDT 2016


Thank you for your extremely intelligent and brave point of view! Your signing salutation is awesome! PEACE FELLOW CAT OWNERS!
I second that!
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> On May 29, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and
>   non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very
>   personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
> 
>   It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to
>   present one's point of view in a negative and personalA  manner, does
>   nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their
>   persona in the eyes of others.
> 
>   From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of
>   the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And
>   make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive,
>   this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's
>   value add to it's customers.
> 
>   As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
>   newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as
>   with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
> 
>   I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have
>   folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and
>   provides less for much more money.A  We have enough cronyism in our
>   government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a
>   reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
> 
>   I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the
>   newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA  that is not to lazy to take
>   3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
> 
>   As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A
>   Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide
>   on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that,
>   pointless.
> 
>   Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of
>   the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that
>   item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying
>   financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long
>   term financial health.
> 
>   Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a
>   constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature
>   irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
> 
>   I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to
>   think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
> 
>   By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their
>   comments, take it out on me.A  I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle
>   with a blown header gasket for years.
> 
>   Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
> 
>   Dick Koch - Atlanta
>   Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky
>   enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
> 
>   On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>     See below.
>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>     wrote:
>> 
>> A  It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
>     period
>> A  without notice.
>     False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at
>     30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club,
>     Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
>> 
>> A  The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10
>     increased
>> A  rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
>     place.A  The
>> A  return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A
>     Simply, use
>> A  the money to pay for our publication costs.
>     False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority
>     chapter presidents.
>> A  PROPOSED:A  $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the
>     $62.52
>> A  publication estimate per MS.
>     That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive
>     quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that
>     is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
>> 
>> A  Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A
>     Carrying
>> A  853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A  Divide that into
>     100,000
>> A  means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
>     False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in
>     the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in
>     reserve. You can google there income statements.
>> A  OPINION:
>> 
>> A  I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4
>     vote but
>> A  there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has
>> A  proposed.A  Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
>     the
>> A  actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions
>     for
>     False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we
>     have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in
>     fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best
>     interest of the club
>     This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and
>     should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look
>     bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
>     preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as
>     in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone
>     instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS.
>     It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
>     If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and
>     many others before me, and run for office.
>     Kind regards
>> A  (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.)
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