[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Charles Engles
cengles at cox.net
Sat Jun 11 09:25:52 EDT 2016
Dear Will,
Yes, and I still find it remarkable that the historic view of the
club management and resources from those early days with simple-minded
enthusiasts working as best as they could for the club, could have made the
club solvent and kept it that way up to the present when modern marketing
and accounting show us the error of our ways.
Cool is an understatement!, Chuck Engles
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Will Kooiman
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 9:49 PM
To: jderyke at aol.com; robpink2012 at gmail.com; erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
I¹ve always thought that was fantastic.
It¹s hard enough to organize an event, but to do it for 25 years, AND to
donate all of the proceeds?
That¹s pretty cool.
On 6/10/16, 10:35 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Surprisingly, the amount DONATED to the POCA General Fund by Kent &
> Sandi Snyder during 25 years of successful Fun Rallys (net profit) is
> close to that number. Bob Reid could tell us for sure- he was one of
> the 'gang of three' responsible for staging the events all those years.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Pink <robpink2012 at gmail.com>
> To: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 6:08 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> Probably good to remember that the only reason there is a reserve at
> all is because budget that was set up for a number of profiles editions
> was not spent - as the editions weren't completed. I think
> withoutA that "windfall " the club would be pretty much break even.
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2016, Effie Richards
> <[1][1]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
> Congrats, indeed!
> Sent from Effie's iPad
> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Jack Donahue <[2][2]demongusta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the dubious distinction of being the longest standing
> member in the Porsche Club of America, and the sole Charter member -
> 61 years - whew - that went fast. I must say the Pantera group is a
> lot more personable than the Porsche group.
> > #4348
> >
> >> On Jun 8, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Will Kooiman
> <[3][3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The Porsche club has over 100,000 members.
> >>
> >> The Ferrari club has over 6,000.
> >>
> >> It isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.
> >>
> >> You need to consider what the reserves might be used for.A
> Personally, I
> >> think $100,00 sounds about right, but I would just be guessing.A
> I'd have
> >> to see a risk assessment to make an educated guess on an
> acceptable cash
> >> reserve.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Will
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 6/8/16 6:13 PM, "Ed Mendez" <[4][4]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Ferrari and Porsche clubs have over $1,000,000 in reserves.
> Their
> >>> annual reports are available online. SCCA has more than that
> last time I
> >>> checked.
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/06/2016, at 05:51, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> >>>> <[5][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> You mean do something before someone burns though the cash
> reserve
> >>>> playing with their ideas of what a club should be.A I heard
> the POCA
> >>>> cash reserve is over $100,000.A I don't know anything about
> the
> >>>> typical
> >>>> size of cash reserves for car clubs, but that seems like a lot?
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Dave <[6][6]dave at damardirect.com>
> >>>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[7][7]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> >>>> Cc: DeTomaso List <[8][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:18 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> >>>> Thank you Chuck for letting me know what has transpired within
> the
> >>>> organization. Thank you Kurt for the resurrection.
> >>>> It is interesting that the new POCA website forum is far behind
> this
> >>>> forum as far as popularity. It is also worth noting that
> technology,
> >>>> the "better", new format of the POCA, is suffering a lack of
> >>>> attendance
> >>>> or participation, compared to this site. The phrase "build it &
> they
> >>>> will come running" certainly does not sound like it is
> happening. So
> >>>> why is the old guard allowing this to happen? It seems so
> flagrant. I
> >>>> think I read a sentiment that in essence said, if you don't
> like the
> >>>> new structure, you are not needed. This is a car group, how do
> you
> >>>> censor or better, why would you threaten anyone who disagrees
> with
> >>>> expulsion?
> >>>> Seems there is the dominate group forcing the subordinate group
> to
> >>>> leave, the very definition of expulsion.
> >>>> I agree Chuck, so very sad. I would think change is needed
> sooner than
> >>>> later.
> >>>> Dave
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy
> [[9]mailto:[1][9]detomasoregistry at gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:27 PM
> >>>> To: Dave
> >>>> Cc: DeTomaso List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> >>>> Can someone enlighten me, please?
> >>>> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was
> rescued
> >>>> from
> >>>> being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the
> >>>> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
> >>>> Is this true?
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> IndyDave
> >>>> Dave,
> >>>> You missed someone's good explanation of the list history.A It
> was
> >>>> started long ago, and when it was time for the guy to move on,
> he
> >>>> allowed POCA to 'manage' it under certain conditions.
> >>>> Then recently MS decided it should be killed, favoring the POCA
> >>>> Board-like forum.
> >>>> Kurt Byrnes (sp ?) took responsibility and restarted it.
> >>>> Now, the list is 'freed from POCA'...A THANKS Kurt!
> >>>> To use the POCA forum requires membership ($75 annually), it is
> >>>> censored for anti-POCA content, is no better than the GREAT
> (and free)
> >>>> PI Forum, actually much LESS than the PI Forum, and thus is not
> really
> >>>> used.
> >>>> And when newly-freed spirits discuss things 'here' some POCA
> people
> >>>> feel compelled to answer.
> >>>> Perhaps the POCA propaganda machine should re-evaluate their
> >>>> communications method.
> >>>> Or maybe Dave, you are adding your commentary too subtly for me
> (big
> >>>> grin).
> >>>> (Read between the lines ?!?A What lines ?!?A GRIN)
> >>>> Now...
> >>>> What caught my attention was a statement was made by the
> >>>> POCA-propaganda machine (PPM) regarding evaluation of alternate
> >>>> printers.
> >>>> How this was presented did seem reasonable (at first!). Yet
> Judy
> >>>> DeRyke
> >>>> (and/or others) commented on how the decision was actually
> made.A This
> >>>> was refuted by the PPM. So someone felt it necessary to post
> just how
> >>>> POCA makes its decisions (well how Michael Shortt makes
> decisions for
> >>>> ALL POCA members) using an actual e-mail message as the
> >>>> fact/source/evidence. What better way to form an opinion than
> with
> >>>> facts, right?
> >>>> The posting of the facts was made by a non-POCA officer.
> >>>> He was then threatened with censure and being kicked out of the
> club
> >>>> for posting the evidence.A WOW !
> >>>> First, I do not believe the person posting the facts can or
> should be
> >>>> punished.A He did not sign a statement or agree to ANY terms
> that he
> >>>> is
> >>>> in violation of. Challenging a lie is the right thing to do. If
> Mr.
> >>>> Shortt wants to try to punish anyone, it should be himself for
> not
> >>>> conveying the truth in the first place.
> >>>> While I am not passing judgment on any one suggestion for
> improvement
> >>>> of POCA, I do object to HOW things are done, and HOW people are
> being
> >>>> treated.
> >>>> More specifically how people who are not in full agreement with
> the
> >>>> current POCA president are being treated.A Let everyone focus
> on that
> >>>>> one< issue.A Correct that problem first, otherwise it will
> taint any
> >>>> and all (otherwise possibly good) suggestions for change within
> POCA.
> >>>> With the leak of this document, POCA members and non-members
> alike
> >>>> have
> >>>> been given insight into just how POCA is currently being run.A
> How the
> >>>> PPM will respond will also be enlightening!
> >>>> Sad, quite sad.
> >>>> Here is an idea mentioned to me recently, perhaps if POCA wants
> to
> >>>> respond to statements, they could do so, but on their own
> website, and
> >>>> from their elected Public Relations guy (only), isn't that what
> the PR
> >>>> job entails?
> >>>> (Sorry to poke at Ed Mendez the current POCA PR guy, as he must
> have a
> >>>> REALLY tough job, being elected to be the official POCA voice,
> but
> >>>> having less-than-accurate statements made by the current POCA
> >>>> president
> >>>> as IF he is the sole POCA voice.)
> >>>> What a mess for the PR guy to be stuck with...
> >>>> Chuck
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