[DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
Will Kooiman
will.kooiman at gmail.com
Fri Jun 10 22:49:12 EDT 2016
I¹ve always thought that was fantastic.
It¹s hard enough to organize an event, but to do it for 25 years, AND to
donate all of the proceeds?
That¹s pretty cool.
On 6/10/16, 10:35 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Surprisingly, the amount DONATED to the POCA General Fund by Kent &
> Sandi Snyder during 25 years of successful Fun Rallys (net profit) is
> close to that number. Bob Reid could tell us for sure- he was one of
> the 'gang of three' responsible for staging the events all those years.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Pink <robpink2012 at gmail.com>
> To: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 6:08 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> Probably good to remember that the only reason there is a reserve at
> all is because budget that was set up for a number of profiles editions
> was not spent - as the editions weren't completed. I think
> withoutA that "windfall " the club would be pretty much break even.
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2016, Effie Richards
> <[1][1]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com> wrote:
> Congrats, indeed!
> Sent from Effie's iPad
> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Jack Donahue <[2][2]demongusta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the dubious distinction of being the longest standing
> member in the Porsche Club of America, and the sole Charter member -
> 61 years - whew - that went fast. I must say the Pantera group is a
> lot more personable than the Porsche group.
> > #4348
> >
> >> On Jun 8, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Will Kooiman
> <[3][3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The Porsche club has over 100,000 members.
> >>
> >> The Ferrari club has over 6,000.
> >>
> >> It isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.
> >>
> >> You need to consider what the reserves might be used for.A
> Personally, I
> >> think $100,00 sounds about right, but I would just be guessing.A
> I'd have
> >> to see a risk assessment to make an educated guess on an
> acceptable cash
> >> reserve.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Will
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 6/8/16 6:13 PM, "Ed Mendez" <[4][4]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Ferrari and Porsche clubs have over $1,000,000 in reserves.
> Their
> >>> annual reports are available online. SCCA has more than that
> last time I
> >>> checked.
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/06/2016, at 05:51, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> >>>> <[5][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> You mean do something before someone burns though the cash
> reserve
> >>>> playing with their ideas of what a club should be.A I heard
> the POCA
> >>>> cash reserve is over $100,000.A I don't know anything about
> the
> >>>> typical
> >>>> size of cash reserves for car clubs, but that seems like a lot?
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Dave <[6][6]dave at damardirect.com>
> >>>> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[7][7]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> >>>> Cc: DeTomaso List <[8][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:18 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> >>>> Thank you Chuck for letting me know what has transpired within
> the
> >>>> organization. Thank you Kurt for the resurrection.
> >>>> It is interesting that the new POCA website forum is far behind
> this
> >>>> forum as far as popularity. It is also worth noting that
> technology,
> >>>> the "better", new format of the POCA, is suffering a lack of
> >>>> attendance
> >>>> or participation, compared to this site. The phrase "build it &
> they
> >>>> will come running" certainly does not sound like it is
> happening. So
> >>>> why is the old guard allowing this to happen? It seems so
> flagrant. I
> >>>> think I read a sentiment that in essence said, if you don't
> like the
> >>>> new structure, you are not needed. This is a car group, how do
> you
> >>>> censor or better, why would you threaten anyone who disagrees
> with
> >>>> expulsion?
> >>>> Seems there is the dominate group forcing the subordinate group
> to
> >>>> leave, the very definition of expulsion.
> >>>> I agree Chuck, so very sad. I would think change is needed
> sooner than
> >>>> later.
> >>>> Dave
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy
> [[9]mailto:[1][9]detomasoregistry at gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:27 PM
> >>>> To: Dave
> >>>> Cc: DeTomaso List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA business on this forum
> >>>> Can someone enlighten me, please?
> >>>> I am/was under the impression this email list or forum was
> rescued
> >>>> from
> >>>> being dissolved by Kurt. (thank you Kurt) I was also under the
> >>>> impression this site was not part of or controlled by POCA..
> >>>> Is this true?
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> IndyDave
> >>>> Dave,
> >>>> You missed someone's good explanation of the list history.A It
> was
> >>>> started long ago, and when it was time for the guy to move on,
> he
> >>>> allowed POCA to 'manage' it under certain conditions.
> >>>> Then recently MS decided it should be killed, favoring the POCA
> >>>> Board-like forum.
> >>>> Kurt Byrnes (sp ?) took responsibility and restarted it.
> >>>> Now, the list is 'freed from POCA'...A THANKS Kurt!
> >>>> To use the POCA forum requires membership ($75 annually), it is
> >>>> censored for anti-POCA content, is no better than the GREAT
> (and free)
> >>>> PI Forum, actually much LESS than the PI Forum, and thus is not
> really
> >>>> used.
> >>>> And when newly-freed spirits discuss things 'here' some POCA
> people
> >>>> feel compelled to answer.
> >>>> Perhaps the POCA propaganda machine should re-evaluate their
> >>>> communications method.
> >>>> Or maybe Dave, you are adding your commentary too subtly for me
> (big
> >>>> grin).
> >>>> (Read between the lines ?!?A What lines ?!?A GRIN)
> >>>> Now...
> >>>> What caught my attention was a statement was made by the
> >>>> POCA-propaganda machine (PPM) regarding evaluation of alternate
> >>>> printers.
> >>>> How this was presented did seem reasonable (at first!). Yet
> Judy
> >>>> DeRyke
> >>>> (and/or others) commented on how the decision was actually
> made.A This
> >>>> was refuted by the PPM. So someone felt it necessary to post
> just how
> >>>> POCA makes its decisions (well how Michael Shortt makes
> decisions for
> >>>> ALL POCA members) using an actual e-mail message as the
> >>>> fact/source/evidence. What better way to form an opinion than
> with
> >>>> facts, right?
> >>>> The posting of the facts was made by a non-POCA officer.
> >>>> He was then threatened with censure and being kicked out of the
> club
> >>>> for posting the evidence.A WOW !
> >>>> First, I do not believe the person posting the facts can or
> should be
> >>>> punished.A He did not sign a statement or agree to ANY terms
> that he
> >>>> is
> >>>> in violation of. Challenging a lie is the right thing to do. If
> Mr.
> >>>> Shortt wants to try to punish anyone, it should be himself for
> not
> >>>> conveying the truth in the first place.
> >>>> While I am not passing judgment on any one suggestion for
> improvement
> >>>> of POCA, I do object to HOW things are done, and HOW people are
> being
> >>>> treated.
> >>>> More specifically how people who are not in full agreement with
> the
> >>>> current POCA president are being treated.A Let everyone focus
> on that
> >>>>> one< issue.A Correct that problem first, otherwise it will
> taint any
> >>>> and all (otherwise possibly good) suggestions for change within
> POCA.
> >>>> With the leak of this document, POCA members and non-members
> alike
> >>>> have
> >>>> been given insight into just how POCA is currently being run.A
> How the
> >>>> PPM will respond will also be enlightening!
> >>>> Sad, quite sad.
> >>>> Here is an idea mentioned to me recently, perhaps if POCA wants
> to
> >>>> respond to statements, they could do so, but on their own
> website, and
> >>>> from their elected Public Relations guy (only), isn't that what
> the PR
> >>>> job entails?
> >>>> (Sorry to poke at Ed Mendez the current POCA PR guy, as he must
> have a
> >>>> REALLY tough job, being elected to be the official POCA voice,
> but
> >>>> having less-than-accurate statements made by the current POCA
> >>>> president
> >>>> as IF he is the sole POCA voice.)
> >>>> What a mess for the PR guy to be stuck with...
> >>>> Chuck
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