[DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
fastgrandma
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Thu Jun 2 19:04:36 EDT 2016
Looking for a new printer does need to be done by those who can do so with experience and also those who have to deal with the printer on a month to month basis. That was not done in this case so THAT was irresponsible plus just suddenly telling the two editors that we were changing printers was not acceptable. This like nearly every 'suggestion' thus made this year has been with only one mind behind them; quite like a very spoiled child. Its been a big disappointment in a couple of board members to just follow along like grade school kids; quite frankly I thought our club was mainly adults but unfortunately not so.
This is a club, NOT a dictatorship!!
Judy
As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as
with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com>
To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 9:57 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and
non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very
personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to
present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does
nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their
persona in the eyes of others.
From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of
the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And
make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive,
this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's
value add to it's customers.
As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as
with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have
folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and
provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our
government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a
reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the
newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take
3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A
Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide
on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that,
pointless.
Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of
the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that
item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying
financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long
term financial health.
Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a
constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature
irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to
think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their
comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle
with a blown header gasket for years.
Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky
enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
See below.
> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
period
>A without notice.
False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at
30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club,
Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
>
>A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10
increased
>A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
place.A The
>A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A
Simply, use
>A the money to pay for our publication costs.
False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority
chapter presidents.
>A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the
$62.52
>A publication estimate per MS.
That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive
quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that
is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
>
>A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A
Carrying
>A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into
100,000
>A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in
the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in
reserve. You can google there income statements.
>A OPINION:
>
>A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4
vote but
>A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has
>A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
the
>A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions
for
False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we
have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in
fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best
interest of the club
This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and
should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look
bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as
in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone
instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS.
It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and
many others before me, and run for office.
Kind regards
>A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.)
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Looking for a new printer does need to be done by those who can do so
with experience and also those who have to deal with the printer on a
month to month basis. That was not done in this case so THAT was
irresponsible plus just suddenly telling the two editors that we were
changing printers was not acceptable. This like nearly every
'suggestion' thus made this year has been with only one mind behind
them; quite like a very spoiled child. Its been a big disappointment in
a couple of board members to just follow along like grade school kids;
quite frankly I thought our club was mainly adults but unfortunately
not so.
This is a club, NOT a dictatorship!!
Judy
As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as
with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com>
To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 9:57 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and
non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very
personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
It is good to have different points of view on club business. But to
present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner, does
nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and their
persona in the eyes of others.
From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many of
the detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And
make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive,
this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's
value add to it's customers.
As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options, as
with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would have
folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and
provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our
government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a
reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail the
newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to take
3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.A
Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide
on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that,
pointless.
Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member of
the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that
item would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying
financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long
term financial health.
Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a
constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature
irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to
think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their
comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle
with a blown header gasket for years.
Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky
enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
See below.
> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige <[2][2]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
period
>A without notice.
False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning at
30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club,
Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
>
>A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10
increased
>A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
place.A The
>A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A
Simply, use
>A the money to pay for our publication costs.
False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority
chapter presidents.
>A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the
$62.52
>A publication estimate per MS.
That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive
quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that
is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
>
>A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A
Carrying
>A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into
100,000
>A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve in
the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in
reserve. You can google there income statements.
>A OPINION:
>
>A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4
vote but
>A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has
>A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
the
>A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions
for
False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things we
have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in
fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best
interest of the club
This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and
should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look
bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as
in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone
instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of MS.
It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and
many others before me, and run for office.
Kind regards
>A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.)
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