[DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
cengles at cox.net
cengles at cox.net
Wed Jun 1 08:43:29 EDT 2016
Dear Scott and Chris,
I, too, agree. I am an anachronism. I tend towards
internal combustion engines, manual transmissions, carburetors and paper
media for *important* publications.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Christopher Kimball wrote:
> I agree!
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: scottcouchman at yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
> Sent: 5/31/2016 8:03 PM
> To: Christopher Kimball<mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Effie Richards<mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>;
> fastgrandma<mailto:fastgrandma at aol.com>;
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
>
> Christopher, we polled our Chapter members and only found one member
> that wanted the newsletter by email. I'm a member of a Mustang Club
> also. They distribute a printed copy of their newsletter at the
> monthly meeting. If you don't attend the monthly general meeting, it
> is posted to their website a month later. You can then read it on-line
> or download it and print it yourself. I enjoy the hard copy I get at
> the general meeting and read it pretty much front to back. But if I
> miss the meeting, I never print out the PDF. Could I? Yes.....do I?
> No. Sounds like maybe we're both old school, but our survey of members
> showed we have lots of old school members. Scott
>
>
>
>> On May 30, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Christopher Kimball
>> <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Although I agree online issues of the newsletter should be
>> available,
>> even the norm, I really prefer getting printed copies. I pass them
>> along to a mechanic friend of mine. I know if I had to print them
>> out
>> myself I simply wouldn't do it.
>> Thanks to the POCA board and leadership for helping to keep the
>> club
>> moving forward!
>> Sincerely,
>> Chris
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: [1]Effie Richards
>> Sent: 5/29/2016 9:44 PM
>> To: [2]fastgrandma
>> Cc: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
>>
>> My husband, for one, does not "do" computer, which is why I become
>> his
>> voice! I would of course print for him, but what about when I'm not
>> around any longer? Things happen...
>> Sent from Effie's iPad
>>> On May 29, 2016, at 7:19 PM, fastgrandma <fastgrandma at aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You have to realize that not everyone has a computer and some that
>>> do
>> absolutely do not want their Newsletter online. The Newsletter has
>> been
>> sent as a pdf to the Eruopeans and members in Canada for some time
>> now
>> but even there, a couple want paper copies and that should be their
>> absolute right since that is the one thing that the club does for
>> its
>> members: the publications!
>>>
>>> At the Rally we heard from several who had various reasons for
>> wanting printed publications only and it would be very wrong to
>> deny
>> that. Maybe those 'other' clubs might do that but that is a good
>> reason
>> to not belong to them.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> To: erichards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>; marshallgsmith
>> <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:30 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
>>>
>>> I thought the newsletter was going to be online only (hence will be
>>> color for free) , while only the Profiles will on paper and mailed.
>>> No?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't see why anyone would not renew their membership-- with all
>> the
>>> old publications online and an improved website the club has more to
>>> offer than ever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Oddie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Effie Richards <erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com>
>>> To: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 5:08 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
>>> Well said Marshall! Many Kudos to Jack DeRyke from me too! We love
>> your
>>> work!
>>> Sent from Effie's iPad
>>>>> On May 29, 2016, at 4:05 PM, marshallgsmith
>>>> <[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now wait a minute Dick, what you write here is WAY too level-headed
>>> for
>>>> this forum!
>>>>
>>>> Who is this really??
>>>>
>>>> All joking aside, I obtain multiple bids for every one of a
>> 'number'
>>> of
>>>> projects that I need to conduct every year. If I found a company
>> that
>>>> could save me $8,000 a year on a particular project, I would have
>>> felt
>>>> like I won the lottery!
>>>>
>>>> Sure, every once in a while the new company who submitted the
>> lowest
>>>> bid does not do as good of a job of the old one but when that
>>> happens,
>>>> I go back to the next bid which sometimes was the same company I
>> used
>>>> previously and all is back to normal.
>>>>
>>>> $8,000 a year is an awful lot of money just to stay with the
>> company
>>>> that you have and had comfort with.
>>>>
>>>> The statement of adding color to the newsletter would of course
>> cost
>>> a
>>>> bit more money but when you consider that we would be saving $8,000
>>> off
>>>> the top, we have a touch more money to play with and the savings
>>> would
>>>> still be very sizable.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, if any car club newsletter in this country is worthy of
>> several
>>>> color pages, it absolutely would be Jack DeRyke's!! This club is
>> and
>>>> will be indebted to you forever Jack! Thanks for the wonderful work
>>> you
>>>> do to keep our colorful jalopies on the road!!
>>>>
>>>> Marshall
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: 05/29/2016 9:57 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>> To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
>>>> Cc: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Membership Dues Analysis
>>>> Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and
>>>> non-productive
>>>> comments that have been made in recent weeks, many very personal
>> and
>>>> vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
>>>> It is good to have different points of view on club business. But
>> to
>>>> present one's point of view in a negative and personal manner, does
>>>> nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and
>>> their
>>>> persona in the eyes of others.
>>>> From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many
>> of
>>>> the
>>>> detractors do not have much experience in running a business. And
>>> make
>>>> no
>>>> mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To thrive,
>> this
>>>> club
>>>> must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance it's value
>>> add
>>>> to
>>>> it's customers.
>>>> As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
>>>> newsletter,
>>>> for the board to not look for less expensive options, as with any
>>> other
>>>> expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
>>>> I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would
>> have
>>>> folks
>>>> want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive and
>>>> provides
>>>> less for much more money. We have enough cronyism in our
>> government.
>>>> Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been a reason
>> for
>>>> keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
>>>> I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail
>> the
>>>> newsletter, that can be printed by anyone that is not to lazy to
>> take
>>>> 3
>>>> minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
>>>> As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one person.
>>>> Each
>>>> person on the board has a say, with a majority required to decide
>> on
>>>> every
>>>> issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just that,
>>> pointless.
>>>> Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member
>> of
>>>> the
>>>> board to the other members of the board, showing how approving that
>>>> item
>>>> would benefit the club member's experience, with the underlying
>>>> financial
>>>> implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs long term
>>>> financial
>>>> health.
>>>> Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a
>>>> constructive
>>>> manner, with negative comments of a personal nature irrelevant and
>>>> therefore non-constructive.
>>>> I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to
>>>> think
>>>> they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
>>>> By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their
>>>> comments,
>>>> take it out on me. I deserve it for letting 6831 sit idle with a
>>> blown
>>>> header gasket for years.
>>>> Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
>>>> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>>>> Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky
>>>> enough
>>>> to be on the sunny side of the grass.
>>>>> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[5]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> See below.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige
>> <[6]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
>>>> period
>>>>>> without notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning
>> at
>>>> 30
>>>>> days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club,
>>> Ferrari
>>>> club,
>>>>> Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10 increased
>>>>>> rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first place.
>>>> The
>>>>>> return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven. Simply,
>>>> use
>>>>>> the money to pay for our publication costs.
>>>>> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority
>>>> chapter
>>>>> presidents.
>>>>>
>>>>>> PROPOSED: $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund the
>>>> $62.52
>>>>>> publication estimate per MS.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive
>>> quotes
>>>> for
>>>>> printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that is $8000
>> per
>>>> year
>>>>> cheaper than the one we are currently using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.
>>>> Carrying
>>>>>> 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year. Divide that into
>>>> 100,000
>>>>>> means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
>>>>> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve
>> in
>>>> the
>>>>> bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in
>> reserve.
>>>> You
>>>>> can google there income statements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> OPINION:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4
>> vote
>>>> but
>>>>>> there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has
>>>>>> proposed. Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing the
>>>>>> actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions
>> for
>>>>>
>>>>> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things
>> we
>>>> have
>>>>> coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in fact
>>>> there
>>>>> very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best interest of
>> the
>>>> club
>>>>>
>>>>> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and
>>>> should
>>>>> not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look bad. If
>>> you
>>>> have
>>>>> an issue talk with someone about your concern, preferably your
>>>> chapter
>>>>> president, they are your representative as in any organization.
>> It's
>>>> very
>>>>> easy to simply pick up the phone instead of using this email list
>> as
>>>> a
>>>>> podium for your disdain of MS. It's obvious, we get it. Please
>> take
>>>> it
>>>>> offline.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and
>>>> many
>>>>> others before me, and run for office.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>>> (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.)
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>
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>>>> Ed, thanks for the clarification of the misinformation and
>>>> non-productive comments that have been made in recent weeks, many
>>>> very
>>>> personal and vindictive, and quite frankly detrimental to the club.
>>>> It is good to have different points of view on club business. But
>> to
>>>> present one's point of view in a negative and personalA manner,
>>>> does
>>>> nothing but diminish that person's potentially valued point, and
>>>> their
>>>> persona in the eyes of others.
>>>> From some of the comments made, it appears obvious to me that many
>>>> of
>>>> the detractors do not have much experience in running a business.
>>>> And
>>>> make no mistake POCA is a business, albeit a non-profit one. To
>>>> thrive,
>>>> this club must not stand on it's laurels, but continue to enhance
>>>> it's
>>>> value add to it's customers.
>>>> As far as looking at the printer used for the production of the
>>>> newsletter, for the board to not look for less expensive options,
>> as
>>>> with any other expense, with better offerings, is irresponsible.
>>>> I can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes that would
>> have
>>>> folks want to stay with a service provider that is noncompetitive
>>>> and
>>>> provides less for much more money.A We have enough cronyism in our
>>>> government. Hopefully that is not the case here, and there has been
>>>> a
>>>> reason for keeping a more expensive service that provides less.
>>>> I won't bother to comment on the absurdity of continuing to mail
>> the
>>>> newsletter, that can be printed by anyoneA that is not to lazy to
>>>> take
>>>> 3 minutes to print it, since that may be construed as negative.
>>>> As regards to a point Ed stated, the club is not run by one
>> person.A
>>>> Each person on the board has a say, with a majority required to
>>>> decide
>>>> on every issue. Pointing ones frustration at one person is just
>>>> that,
>>>> pointless.
>>>> Items approved by the board, were "sold" to the board by a member
>> of
>>>> the board to the other members of the board, showing how approving
>>>> that
>>>> item would benefit the club member's experience, with the
>> underlying
>>>> financial implications outlined that would strengthen the clubs
>> long
>>>> term financial health.
>>>> Constructive criticism is just that: criticism presented in a
>>>> constructive manner, with negative comments of a personal nature
>>>> irrelevant and therefore non-constructive.
>>>> I for one think the new POCA board is doing a fantastic job, and to
>>>> think they are doing their job for free. What a deal...
>>>> By the way, if someone feels they want to get personal with their
>>>> comments, take it out on me.A I deserve it for letting 6831 sit
>>>> idle
>>>> with a blown header gasket for years.
>>>> Peace, fellow "cat" owners.
>>>> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>>>> Still one of the few remaining original Pantera owners still lucky
>>>> enough to be on the sunny side of the grass.
>>>>> On May 29, 2016 2:12 AM, "Ed Mendez" <[1][11]edducati at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> See below.
>>>>> On 28/05/2016, at 11:53, Rod Kunishige
>>>> <[2][12]rkunishige at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A It is interesting that this President changed a generous grace
>>>> period
>>>>> A without notice.
>>>> False it's in the bylaws and has been for some time now. Warning
>>>> at
>>>> 30 days, at 60 days the membership expires, check the Fiat club,
>>>> Ferrari club, Porsche club, they all have similar rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> A The so-called "shortfall" is created in part by the $10
>>>> increased
>>>>> A rebate to the chapters that was NOT requested in the first
>>>> place.A The
>>>>> A return of this sum places the club at nearly breakeven.A
>>>> Simply, use
>>>>> A the money to pay for our publication costs.
>>>> False - check your facts, the rebate was welcome by the majority
>>>> chapter presidents.
>>>>> A PROPOSED:A $75 dues less $15 to chapters yields $60 to fund
>>>> the
>>>> $62.52
>>>>> A publication estimate per MS.
>>>> That is true, and that is why we are trying to get competitive
>>>> quotes for printing to try and save money. MS found a printer that
>>>> is $8000 per year cheaper than the one we are currently using.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Our $100,000 reserve would easily fund the $2.52 per year.A
>>>> Carrying
>>>>> A 853 members at $2.52 is $2,149.56 per year.A Divide that into
>>>> 100,000
>>>>> A means funding covers 46.5 YEARS.
>>>> False - check your facts, most non profits have two year reserve
>>>> in
>>>> the bank, the Ferrari and Porsche clubs have $1,000,000 each in
>>>> reserve. You can google there income statements.
>>>>> A OPINION:
>>>>>
>>>>> A I do recognize that Mr. Shortt controls the Board by a 5 to 4
>>>> vote but
>>>>> A there I think that this is a better solution than what MS has
>>>>> A proposed.A Finally, kudos goes to him for at least publishing
>>>> the
>>>>> A actions he intends to take so we may make positive suggestions
>>>> for
>>>> False, if you look at the meeting minutes of the BOD, most things
>>>> we
>>>> have coated on have been either unanimous vote or close to it, in
>>>> fact there very few times it was 5-4. Again we vote in the best
>>>> interest of the club
>>>> This forum is supposed to be about DeTomaso, hence the name; and
>>>> should not be used for POCA bashing, it really makes us all look
>>>> bad. If you have an issue talk with someone about your concern,
>>>> preferably your chapter president, they are your representative as
>>>> in any organization. It's very easy to simply pick up the phone
>>>> instead of using this email list as a podium for your disdain of
>>>> MS.
>>>> It's obvious, we get it. Please take it offline.
>>>> If you think you can do a better job than volunteer as I did, and
>>>> many others before me, and run for office.
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> A (Information taken from the Presidents Blog.)
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> References
>>>> 1. [17]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>>> 2. [18]mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
>>>> 3. [19]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> 4. [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>>> 5. [21]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>> 6. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [4]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>>> 2. [5]mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com
>>> 3. [6]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 4. [7]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 5. [8]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 6. [9]mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
>>> 7. [10]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 8. [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> 9. [12]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 10. [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> 11. [14]mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 12. [15]mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
>>> 13. [16]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 14. [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> 15. [18]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 16. [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> 17. [20]mailto:edducati at mac.com?
>>> 18. [21]mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com?
>>> 19. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
>>> 20. [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> 21. [24]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
>>> 22. [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> 23. [26]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 24. [27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> 25. [28]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 26. [29]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> 27. [30]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> 28. [31]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>> 2. mailto:fastgrandma at aol.com
>> 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 4. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> 5. mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com
>> 6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 8. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 9. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
>> 10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 14. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 15. mailto:rkunishige at hotmail.com
>> 16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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>> 24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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>> 26. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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>> 28. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 29. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 30. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> 31. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>> 32. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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