[DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Wed Jan 13 17:44:23 EST 2016
Marshall,
I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black
lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
Michael Shortt
On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> FYI....
>
> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came
> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the lug
> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I recall.
>
> Marshall
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
> To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>
> In a message dated
> 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
> writes:
>
> My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
> heavier than the mags.
> I think that's fine for street, but
> aren't you concerned about the
> unsprung weight for track use?
> dave
>
> >>>Interesting. This was
> apparently a reply to an original post by
> Michael Shortt, but that post never came
> through to me nor did it wind
> up in my spam folder?
> I'm noting some irregularities with the
> forum these days....anyway,
> thankfully Dave included Michael's
> original post, so see replies below:
>
> On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
> wrote:
> >
> Greetings,
> >
> > After
> gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
> inventory today,
> > I have
> 21 Campy wheels,
>
> >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
> > 5
> Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
> Triple
> > Slots
> ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
> for Hall
> >
> Pantera.
>
> >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
> every made wheels for Hall? He did
> make them for several other vendors, in
> several different styles, some
> markedly better than others. Can you
> share some images perhaps to help
> in identification?
> Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
> Si-looking wheels that were
> welded together, and perhaps Coddington
> was the source for those?
>
> >>
> And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
> 335/35 and 245/40.
>
> >>>What kind of wheels are
> those? 10 spokes is a pretty vague
> descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
> certain how many spokes they
> have at least. :>)
>
> >
> > I am
> keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
> > And
> one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
> Rally and
> > Track
> use.
>
> >>>Wait--are you talking about
> Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
> wheels which are three-piece,
> bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
> spinner? Those are as different as
> chalk and cheese (with the latter
> being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
> wheels I've ever
> encountered).
>
> > I will
> be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
> Blackwalls
> > and a
> set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
> With a spare
> > Front
> and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
> >>>Sounds good!
>
> >
> >>
> That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
> wheels to dispose of.
> Sell or
> > Trade.
> Photos Available.
>
> >>>Somebody just asked for a
> set--Guy Dellavecchia? What kind are
> they? Guy might want to trade his
> '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
> wheels?
>
> > I'd
> love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
> >>>I have only ever seen two of
> them (separately) in my life. These
> were an experimental wheel used on the
> first pushmobile prototype. I
> have no idea how many were put into
> production but I've never seen any
> other car wearing them, so I would have to
> imagine the number is very
> small indeed. Even 1006, the
> earliest known Pantera extant, had single
> slot wheels.
> So don't hold your breath waiting for a
> full set of three-slot wheels
> to appear. :>)
>
> >I will sort them this week by
> design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
> Campy
> > Wheel
> education.
>
> >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
> point I'm far more concerned about
> your aftermarket wheels. Simply put,
> I would never wish three-piece
> Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
> especially not for track use. We
> collectively know about multiple failures,
> which always led to rapid
> deflation and a potential accident.
> Jack has often told of the car
> that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
> Las Vegas at triple digit
> speeds one year when his Hall wheel
> dismantled himself; I believe it
> thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
> remember that aspect of the
> story for sure. Jack?
> Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
> Concorso that he was trying to
> sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
> the car was parked (!) and
> he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
> couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
> halfway around. The other three
> wheels had similar cracks when they
> were taken apart and inspected.
> And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
> by the failure of his Hall
> wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
> the car fell down onto the
> freeway in Los Angeles. What wasn't
> seen was that during the collapse,
> the brake line was damaged. MD
> swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
> on and ran the Silver State a day or two
> later, but when he stepped on
> the brakes at the finish line, the line
> ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
> the exhaust and the rest was history.
> And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
> many others.
> Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
> design but they were woefully
> under-engineered, and today should be
> related either to a display case,
> or a recycling bin IMHO....
> So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
> you're talking about here, as
> the Coddington wheels (which I have
> aesthetic problems with,
> admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
> wheels at all.
>
> >>
> Just let a local guy soda blast two of
> them down to the green
> primer,
> > I'll
> probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
> see the
> > final
> results.
> > Photo
> attached.
> >
>
> >>>Since I didn't get your
> original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
> either....
> Cheers!
> Mike
>
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Marshall,
I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black
lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.
Michael Shortt
On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"
<[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
FYI....
I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that
covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with
exposed lug nuts.
I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
recall.
Marshall
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
A To: [3]davel at emspace.com, [4]detomaso at poca.com,
[5]michael at michaelshortt.com
A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
A A A A In a message dated
A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6]davel at emspace.com
A writes:
A A A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
A heavier than the mags.
A A A A A I think that's fine for street, but
A aren't you concerned about the
A A A A A unsprung weight for track use?
A A A A A dave
A A A A >>>Interesting.A This was
A apparently a reply to an original post by
A A A A Michael Shortt, but that post never came
A through to me nor did it wind
A A A A up in my spam folder?
A A A A I'm noting some irregularities with the
A forum these days....anyway,
A A A A thankfully Dave included Michael's
A original post, so see replies below:
A A A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
A wrote:
A A A A A >A
A A A A Greetings,
A A A A A >
A A A A A >A A A A After
A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
A A A A A inventory today,
A A A A A >A A A A I have
A 21 Campy wheels,
A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
A A A A A >A A A A 5
A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
A A A A A Triple
A A A A A >A A A A Slots
A ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
A A A A A for Hall
A A A A A >A
A A A A Pantera.
A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
A every made wheels for Hall?A He did
A A A A make them for several other vendors, in
A several different styles, some
A A A A markedly better than others.A Can you
A share some images perhaps to help
A A A A in identification?
A A A A Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
A Si-looking wheels that were
A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington
A was the source for those?
A A A A A >>A
A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
A 335/35 and 245/40.
A A A A >>>What kind of wheels are
A those?A 10 spokes is a pretty vague
A A A A descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
A certain how many spokes they
A A A A have at least. :>)
A A A A A >
A A A A A >A A A A I am
A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
A A A A A >A A A A And
A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
A A A A A Rally and
A A A A A >A A A A Track
A use.
A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about
A Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
A A A A wheels which are three-piece,
A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
A A A A spinner?A Those are as different as
A chalk and cheese (with the latter
A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
A wheels I've ever
A A A A encountered).
A A A A A >A A A A I will
A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
A A A A A Blackwalls
A A A A A >A A A A and a
A set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
A A A A A With a spare
A A A A A >A A A A Front
A and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
A A A A >>>Sounds good!
A A A A A >
A A A A A >>A
A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
A wheels to dispose of.
A A A A A Sell or
A A A A A >A A A A Trade.
A Photos Available.
A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a
A set--Guy Dellavecchia?A What kind are
A A A A they?A Guy might want to trade his
A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
A A A A wheels?
A A A A A >A A A A I'd
A love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of
A them (separately) in my life.A These
A A A A were an experimental wheel used on the
A first pushmobile prototype.A I
A A A A have no idea how many were put into
A production but I've never seen any
A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to
A imagine the number is very
A A A A small indeed.A Even 1006, the
A earliest known Pantera extant, had single
A A A A slot wheels.
A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a
A full set of three-slot wheels
A A A A to appear. :>)
A A A A A >I will sort them this week by
A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
A A A A A Campy
A A A A A >A A A A Wheel
A education.
A A A A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
A point I'm far more concerned about
A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A Simply put,
A I would never wish three-piece
A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
A especially not for track use.A We
A A A A collectively know about multiple failures,
A which always led to rapid
A A A A deflation and a potential accident.A
A Jack has often told of the car
A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
A Las Vegas at triple digit
A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel
A dismantled himself; I believe it
A A A A thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
A remember that aspect of the
A A A A story for sure.A Jack?
A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
A Concorso that he was trying to
A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
A the car was parked (!) and
A A A A he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
A A A A halfway around.A The other three
A wheels had similar cracks when they
A A A A were taken apart and inspected.
A A A A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
A by the failure of his Hall
A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
A the car fell down onto the
A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A What wasn't
A seen was that during the collapse,
A A A A the brake line was damaged.A MD
A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
A A A A on and ran the Silver State a day or two
A later, but when he stepped on
A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line
A ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
A A A A the exhaust and the rest was history.
A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
A many others.
A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
A design but they were woefully
A A A A under-engineered, and today should be
A related either to a display case,
A A A A or a recycling bin IMHO....
A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
A you're talking about here, as
A A A A the Coddington wheels (which I have
A aesthetic problems with,
A A A A admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
A wheels at all.
A A A A A >>A
A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of
A them down to the green
A A A A A primer,
A A A A A >A A A A I'll
A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
A A A A A see the
A A A A A >A A A A final
A results.
A A A A A >A A A A Photo
A attached.
A A A A A >
A A A A >>>Since I didn't get your
A original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
A A A A either....
A A A A Cheers!
A A A A Mike
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