[DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

Michael Shortt michaelsavga at gmail.com
Wed Jan 13 17:44:23 EST 2016


Marshall,

I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black
lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.

Michael Shortt
On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> FYI....
>
> I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came
> with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the lug
> nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
> I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I recall.
>
> Marshall
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
>  To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com
>  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
>
>     In a message dated
>  1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
>  writes:
>
>       My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
>  heavier than the mags.
>       I think that's fine for street, but
>  aren't you concerned about the
>       unsprung weight for track use?
>       dave
>
>     >>>Interesting.  This was
>  apparently a reply to an original post by
>     Michael Shortt, but that post never came
>  through to me nor did it wind
>     up in my spam folder?
>     I'm noting some irregularities with the
>  forum these days....anyway,
>     thankfully Dave included Michael's
>  original post, so see replies below:
>
>       On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
>  wrote:
>       >
>     Greetings,
>       >
>       >     After
>  gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
>       inventory today,
>       >     I have
>  21 Campy wheels,
>
>     >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
>
>       >     5
>  Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
>       Triple
>       >     Slots
>  ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
>       for Hall
>       >
>     Pantera.
>
>     >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
>  every made wheels for Hall?  He did
>     make them for several other vendors, in
>  several different styles, some
>     markedly better than others.  Can you
>  share some images perhaps to help
>     in identification?
>     Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
>  Si-looking wheels that were
>     welded together, and perhaps Coddington
>  was the source for those?
>
>       >>
>     And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
>  335/35 and 245/40.
>
>     >>>What kind of wheels are
>  those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
>     descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
>  certain how many spokes they
>     have at least. :>)
>
>       >
>       >     I am
>  keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
>       >     And
>  one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
>       Rally and
>       >     Track
>  use.
>
>     >>>Wait--are you talking about
>  Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
>     wheels which are three-piece,
>  bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
>     spinner?  Those are as different as
>  chalk and cheese (with the latter
>     being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
>  wheels I've ever
>     encountered).
>
>       >     I will
>  be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
>       Blackwalls
>       >     and a
>  set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
>       With a spare
>       >     Front
>  and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
>
>     >>>Sounds good!
>
>       >
>       >>
>     That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
>  wheels to dispose of.
>       Sell or
>       >     Trade.
>  Photos Available.
>
>     >>>Somebody just asked for a
>  set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
>     they?  Guy might want to trade his
>  '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
>     wheels?
>
>       >     I'd
>  love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
>
>     >>>I have only ever seen two of
>  them (separately) in my life.  These
>     were an experimental wheel used on the
>  first pushmobile prototype.  I
>     have no idea how many were put into
>  production but I've never seen any
>     other car wearing them, so I would have to
>  imagine the number is very
>     small indeed.  Even 1006, the
>  earliest known Pantera extant, had single
>     slot wheels.
>     So don't hold your breath waiting for a
>  full set of three-slot wheels
>     to appear. :>)
>
>       >I will sort them this week by
>  design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
>       Campy
>       >     Wheel
>  education.
>
>     >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
>  point I'm far more concerned about
>     your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put,
>  I would never wish three-piece
>     Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
>  especially not for track use.  We
>     collectively know about multiple failures,
>  which always led to rapid
>     deflation and a potential accident.
>  Jack has often told of the car
>     that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
>  Las Vegas at triple digit
>     speeds one year when his Hall wheel
>  dismantled himself; I believe it
>     thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
>  remember that aspect of the
>     story for sure.  Jack?
>     Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
>  Concorso that he was trying to
>     sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
>  the car was parked (!) and
>     he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
>  couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
>     halfway around.  The other three
>  wheels had similar cracks when they
>     were taken apart and inspected.
>     And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
>  by the failure of his Hall
>     wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
>  the car fell down onto the
>     freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't
>  seen was that during the collapse,
>     the brake line was damaged.  MD
>  swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
>     on and ran the Silver State a day or two
>  later, but when he stepped on
>     the brakes at the finish line, the line
>  ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
>     the exhaust and the rest was history.
>     And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
>  many others.
>     Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
>  design but they were woefully
>     under-engineered, and today should be
>  related either to a display case,
>     or a recycling bin IMHO....
>     So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
>  you're talking about here, as
>     the Coddington wheels (which I have
>  aesthetic problems with,
>     admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
>  wheels at all.
>
>       >>
>     Just let a local guy soda blast two of
>  them down to the green
>       primer,
>       >     I'll
>  probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
>       see the
>       >     final
>  results.
>       >     Photo
>  attached.
>       >
>
>     >>>Since I didn't get your
>  original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
>     either....
>     Cheers!
>     Mike
>
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   Marshall,

   I have those too, considered having them Powdercoated, but the center
   treatment would look silly. I have both the spinners and the big black
   lugs. The other set is the 5 spoke from Hall/Boyd.

   Michael Shortt

   On Jan 13, 2016 5:15 PM, "marshall smith"
   <[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

     FYI....
     I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and
     came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that
     covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with
     exposed lug nuts.
     I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I
     recall.
     Marshall
     --------------------------------------------
     On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
     wrote:
     A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
     A To: [3]davel at emspace.com, [4]detomaso at poca.com,
     [5]michael at michaelshortt.com
     A Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM
     A A A A In a message dated
     A 1/10/16 21 39 38, [6]davel at emspace.com
     A writes:
     A A  A A A My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
     A heavier than the mags.
     A A  A A A I think that's fine for street, but
     A aren't you concerned about the
     A A  A A A unsprung weight for track use?
     A A  A A A dave
     A A A A >>>Interesting.A  This was
     A apparently a reply to an original post by
     A A A A Michael Shortt, but that post never came
     A through to me nor did it wind
     A A A A up in my spam folder?
     A A A A I'm noting some irregularities with the
     A forum these days....anyway,
     A A A A thankfully Dave included Michael's
     A original post, so see replies below:
     A A  A A A On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
     A wrote:
     A A  A A A >A
     A A A A Greetings,
     A A  A A A >
     A A  A A A >A  A A A After
     A gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
     A A  A A A inventory today,
     A A  A A A >A  A A A I have
     A 21 Campy wheels,
     A A A A >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)
     A A  A A A >A  A A A 5
     A Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
     A A  A A A Triple
     A A  A A A >A  A A A Slots
     A ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
     A A  A A A for Hall
     A A  A A A >A
     A A A A Pantera.
     A A A A >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
     A every made wheels for Hall?A  He did
     A A A A make them for several other vendors, in
     A several different styles, some
     A A A A markedly better than others.A  Can you
     A share some images perhaps to help
     A A A A in identification?
     A A A A Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
     A Si-looking wheels that were
     A A A A welded together, and perhaps Coddington
     A was the source for those?
     A A  A A A >>A
     A A A A And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
     A 335/35 and 245/40.
     A A A A >>>What kind of wheels are
     A those?A  10 spokes is a pretty vague
     A A A A descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
     A certain how many spokes they
     A A A A have at least. :>)
     A A  A A A >
     A A  A A A >A  A A A I am
     A keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
     A A  A A A >A  A A A And
     A one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
     A A  A A A Rally and
     A A  A A A >A  A A A Track
     A use.
     A A A A >>>Wait--are you talking about
     A Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
     A A A A wheels which are three-piece,
     A bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
     A A A A spinner?A  Those are as different as
     A chalk and cheese (with the latter
     A A A A being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
     A wheels I've ever
     A A A A encountered).
     A A  A A A >A  A A A I will
     A be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
     A A  A A A Blackwalls
     A A  A A A >A  A A A and a
     A set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
     A A  A A A With a spare
     A A  A A A >A  A A A Front
     A and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.
     A A A A >>>Sounds good!
     A A  A A A >
     A A  A A A >>A
     A A A A That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
     A wheels to dispose of.
     A A  A A A Sell or
     A A  A A A >A  A A A Trade.
     A Photos Available.
     A A A A >>>Somebody just asked for a
     A set--Guy Dellavecchia?A  What kind are
     A A A A they?A  Guy might want to trade his
     A '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
     A A A A wheels?
     A A  A A A >A  A A A I'd
     A love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?
     A A A A >>>I have only ever seen two of
     A them (separately) in my life.A  These
     A A A A were an experimental wheel used on the
     A first pushmobile prototype.A  I
     A A A A have no idea how many were put into
     A production but I've never seen any
     A A A A other car wearing them, so I would have to
     A imagine the number is very
     A A A A small indeed.A  Even 1006, the
     A earliest known Pantera extant, had single
     A A A A slot wheels.
     A A A A So don't hold your breath waiting for a
     A full set of three-slot wheels
     A A A A to appear. :>)
     A A  A A A >I will sort them this week by
     A design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
     A A  A A A Campy
     A A  A A A >A  A A A Wheel
     A education.
     A A A A >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
     A point I'm far more concerned about
     A A A A your aftermarket wheels.A  Simply put,
     A I would never wish three-piece
     A A A A Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
     A especially not for track use.A  We
     A A A A collectively know about multiple failures,
     A which always led to rapid
     A A A A deflation and a potential accident.A
     A Jack has often told of the car
     A A A A that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
     A Las Vegas at triple digit
     A A A A speeds one year when his Hall wheel
     A dismantled himself; I believe it
     A A A A thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
     A remember that aspect of the
     A A A A story for sure.A  Jack?
     A A A A Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
     A Concorso that he was trying to
     A A A A sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
     A the car was parked (!) and
     A A A A he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
     A couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
     A A A A halfway around.A  The other three
     A wheels had similar cracks when they
     A A A A were taken apart and inspected.
     A A A A And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
     A by the failure of his Hall
     A A A A wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
     A the car fell down onto the
     A A A A freeway in Los Angeles.A  What wasn't
     A seen was that during the collapse,
     A A A A the brake line was damaged.A  MD
     A swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
     A A A A on and ran the Silver State a day or two
     A later, but when he stepped on
     A A A A the brakes at the finish line, the line
     A ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
     A A A A the exhaust and the rest was history.
     A A A A And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
     A many others.
     A A A A Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
     A design but they were woefully
     A A A A under-engineered, and today should be
     A related either to a display case,
     A A A A or a recycling bin IMHO....
     A A A A So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
     A you're talking about here, as
     A A A A the Coddington wheels (which I have
     A aesthetic problems with,
     A A A A admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
     A wheels at all.
     A A  A A A >>A
     A A A A Just let a local guy soda blast two of
     A them down to the green
     A A  A A A primer,
     A A  A A A >A  A A A I'll
     A probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
     A A  A A A see the
     A A  A A A >A  A A A final
     A results.
     A A  A A A >A  A A A Photo
     A attached.
     A A  A A A >
     A A A A >>>Since I didn't get your
     A original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
     A A A A either....
     A A A A Cheers!
     A A A A Mike
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