[DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

Wed Jan 13 17:15:16 EST 2016

FYI....

I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded centers and came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner and cone that covered the lug nuts or you could delete the cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s as I recall.

Marshall
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On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
 To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

    In a message dated
 1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
 writes:

      My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
 heavier than the mags.
      I think that's fine for street, but
 aren't you concerned about the
      unsprung weight for track use?
      dave

    >>>Interesting.  This was
 apparently a reply to an original post by
    Michael Shortt, but that post never came
 through to me nor did it wind
    up in my spam folder?
    I'm noting some irregularities with the
 forum these days....anyway,
    thankfully Dave included Michael's
 original post, so see replies below:

      On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
 wrote:
      > 
    Greetings,
      >
      >     After
 gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
      inventory today,
      >     I have
 21 Campy wheels,

    >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)

      >     5
 Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
      Triple
      >     Slots
 ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
      for Hall
      > 
    Pantera.

    >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
 every made wheels for Hall?  He did
    make them for several other vendors, in
 several different styles, some
    markedly better than others.  Can you
 share some images perhaps to help
    in identification?
    Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
 Si-looking wheels that were
    welded together, and perhaps Coddington
 was the source for those?

      >> 
    And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
 335/35 and 245/40.

    >>>What kind of wheels are
 those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
    descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
 certain how many spokes they
    have at least. :>)

      >
      >     I am
 keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
      >     And
 one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
      Rally and
      >     Track
 use.

    >>>Wait--are you talking about
 Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
    wheels which are three-piece,
 bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
    spinner?  Those are as different as
 chalk and cheese (with the latter
    being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
 wheels I've ever
    encountered).

      >     I will
 be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
      Blackwalls
      >     and a
 set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
      With a spare
      >     Front
 and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

    >>>Sounds good!

      >
      >> 
    That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
 wheels to dispose of.
      Sell or
      >     Trade.
 Photos Available.

    >>>Somebody just asked for a
 set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
    they?  Guy might want to trade his
 '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
    wheels?

      >     I'd
 love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

    >>>I have only ever seen two of
 them (separately) in my life.  These
    were an experimental wheel used on the
 first pushmobile prototype.  I
    have no idea how many were put into
 production but I've never seen any
    other car wearing them, so I would have to
 imagine the number is very
    small indeed.  Even 1006, the
 earliest known Pantera extant, had single
    slot wheels.
    So don't hold your breath waiting for a
 full set of three-slot wheels
    to appear. :>)

      >I will sort them this week by
 design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
      Campy
      >     Wheel
 education.

    >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
 point I'm far more concerned about
    your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put,
 I would never wish three-piece
    Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
 especially not for track use.  We
    collectively know about multiple failures,
 which always led to rapid
    deflation and a potential accident. 
 Jack has often told of the car
    that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
 Las Vegas at triple digit
    speeds one year when his Hall wheel
 dismantled himself; I believe it
    thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
 remember that aspect of the
    story for sure.  Jack?
    Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
 Concorso that he was trying to
    sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
 the car was parked (!) and
    he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
 couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
    halfway around.  The other three
 wheels had similar cracks when they
    were taken apart and inspected.
    And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
 by the failure of his Hall
    wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
 the car fell down onto the
    freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't
 seen was that during the collapse,
    the brake line was damaged.  MD
 swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
    on and ran the Silver State a day or two
 later, but when he stepped on
    the brakes at the finish line, the line
 ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
    the exhaust and the rest was history.
    And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
 many others.
    Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
 design but they were woefully
    under-engineered, and today should be
 related either to a display case,
    or a recycling bin IMHO....
    So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
 you're talking about here, as
    the Coddington wheels (which I have
 aesthetic problems with,
    admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
 wheels at all.

      >> 
    Just let a local guy soda blast two of
 them down to the green
      primer,
      >     I'll
 probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
      see the
      >     final
 results.
      >     Photo
 attached.
      >

    >>>Since I didn't get your
 original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
    either....
    Cheers!
    Mike

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