[DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels

Wed Jan 13 17:24:18 EST 2016

Additionally....Hall's 10 spoke wheels have the spokes slanted slightly inboard or towards the suspension. I believe Wilkinson made a 10 spoke wheel where the spokes slant outward. These are visually better looking giving  a semi dished look and have slightly rounded spokes where the Hall's have sharp edged spokes.

M 
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On Wed, 1/13/16, marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
 To: davel at emspace.com, detomaso at poca.com, michael at michaelshortt.com, MikeLDrew at aol.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 2:15 PM

 FYI....

 I have 17 inch Hall 10 spoke wheels. They have welded
 centers and came with a center hub that had a dummy spinner
 and cone that covered the lug nuts or you could delete the
 cone and go with exposed lug nuts.
 I was told that Boyd made these. Hall called them Mark 10s
 as I recall.

 Marshall
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 On Wed, 1/13/16, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Campagnolo Wheels
  To: davel at emspace.com,
 detomaso at poca.com,
 michael at michaelshortt.com
  Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

     In a message dated
  1/10/16 21 39 38, davel at emspace.com
  writes:

       My 17" Hall wheels are a lot
  heavier than the mags.
       I think that's fine for street, but
  aren't you concerned about the
       unsprung weight for track use?
       dave

     >>>Interesting.  This was
  apparently a reply to an original post by
     Michael Shortt, but that post never came
  through to me nor did it wind
     up in my spam folder?
     I'm noting some irregularities with the
  forum these days....anyway,
     thankfully Dave included Michael's
  original post, so see replies below:

       On 1/08/16 9:17 PM, Michael Shortt
  wrote:
       > 
     Greetings,
       >
       >     After
  gathering all my wheels in one place and a brief
       inventory today,
       >     I have
  21 Campy wheels,

     >>>Uh...that's a lot. :>)

       >     5
  Single Slots and a mixture of the 4 Double Slots and Zero
       Triple
       >     Slots
  ( No 10") Plus 2 sets of 17" Boyd Coddington Wheels made
       for Hall
       > 
     Pantera.

     >>>Uh, I don't think Coddington
  every made wheels for Hall?  He did
     make them for several other vendors, in
  several different styles, some
     markedly better than others.  Can you
  share some images perhaps to help
     in identification?
     Hall did have somebody cast up ten-spoke
  Si-looking wheels that were
     welded together, and perhaps Coddington
  was the source for those?

       >> 
     And the 17" 10 spokes on the car now with
  335/35 and 245/40.

     >>>What kind of wheels are
  those?  10 spokes is a pretty vague
     descriiption--although I admit I'm pretty
  certain how many spokes they
     have at least. :>)

       >
       >     I am
  keeping the 10 spokes with PZeros for Street use,
       >     And
  one set of the 17" Hall Wheels with 315/235 Kumhos for
       Rally and
       >     Track
  use.

     >>>Wait--are you talking about
  Coddington Campagnolo clones, or Hall
     wheels which are three-piece,
  bolt-together affairs, with a fake center
     spinner?  Those are as different as
  chalk and cheese (with the latter
     being the only genuinely suspect/dangerous
  wheels I've ever
     encountered).

       >     I will
  be keeping the Single Slots for Concours with skinny
       Blackwalls
       >     and a
  set of Double Slots with Vintage Arrivas for Photos,
       With a spare
       >     Front
  and a Spare Rear in case of a boo boo.

     >>>Sounds good!

       >
       >> 
     That leaves 2 full sets of double slot
  wheels to dispose of.
       Sell or
       >     Trade.
  Photos Available.

     >>>Somebody just asked for a
  set--Guy Dellavecchia?  What kind are
     they?  Guy might want to trade his
  '71 two-slot wheels for some L-model
     wheels?

       >     I'd
  love a Triple Slot set. Anybody have some?

     >>>I have only ever seen two of
  them (separately) in my life.  These
     were an experimental wheel used on the
  first pushmobile prototype.  I
     have no idea how many were put into
  production but I've never seen any
     other car wearing them, so I would have to
  imagine the number is very
     small indeed.  Even 1006, the
  earliest known Pantera extant, had single
     slot wheels.
     So don't hold your breath waiting for a
  full set of three-slot wheels
     to appear. :>)

       >I will sort them this week by
  design, Thanks Mike Drew for the
       Campy
       >     Wheel
  education.

     >>>It's my pleasure, but at this
  point I'm far more concerned about
     your aftermarket wheels.  Simply put,
  I would never wish three-piece
     Hall wheels on my worst enemy, and
  especially not for track use.  We
     collectively know about multiple failures,
  which always led to rapid
     deflation and a potential accident. 
  Jack has often told of the car
     that was zorching down Mt. Charleston in
  Las Vegas at triple digit
     speeds one year when his Hall wheel
  dismantled himself; I believe it
     thrust the car into the scenery, but can't
  remember that aspect of the
     story for sure.  Jack?
     Larry Stock had a car on the grass at
  Concorso that he was trying to
     sell; a rear wheel simply blew apart while
  the car was parked (!) and
     he had to tow it back to Nevada as it
  couldn't be fixed--it had cracked
     halfway around.  The other three
  wheels had similar cracks when they
     were taken apart and inspected.
     And Mad Dog's fire was indirectly caused
  by the failure of his Hall
     wheel; when the left rear wheel failed,
  the car fell down onto the
     freeway in Los Angeles.  What wasn't
  seen was that during the collapse,
     the brake line was damaged.  MD
  swapped his stock wheels w/race tires
     on and ran the Silver State a day or two
  later, but when he stepped on
     the brakes at the finish line, the line
  ruptured, fluid sprayed onto
     the exhaust and the rest was history.
     And on and on and on...I'm sure there are
  many others.
     Those wheels were a very well-intentioned
  design but they were woefully
     under-engineered, and today should be
  related either to a display case,
     or a recycling bin IMHO....
     So tell me exactly what kind of wheels
  you're talking about here, as
     the Coddington wheels (which I have
  aesthetic problems with,
     admittedly) are nothing like these Hall
  wheels at all.

       >> 
     Just let a local guy soda blast two of
  them down to the green
       primer,
       >     I'll
  probably paint them Argent Silver and Clear them just to
       see the
       >     final
  results.
       >     Photo
  attached.
       >

     >>>Since I didn't get your
  original e-mail, I didn't get the photo
     either....
     Cheers!
     Mike

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