[DeTomaso] NPC Photo storage; was Gas tank removal/chassis rust
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Sun Jan 10 10:37:27 EST 2016
Don't forget monthly maintenance. If you leave that up to the vendor it will get very expensive quick.
Someone within the POCA family needs to step up to that task. Here are the category of items to maintain
from Club Express and me;
Maintenance:
$?? <-- Club Express (CE) monthly cost if not done by POCA
Updating home page
Updating website content
Calendars
General Contact pages
etc etc etc
Posting news items
Uploading photos and building photo pages $$$ (not sure why ??)
Uploading documents
Creating events
Updating committees, interests, contracts, etc.
My Adds:
Membership mass emails (as needed)
Accounting Mgmt.
Merchant Account Mgmt
Help Desk On-Line Support. Not sure if this included in the "monthly fee"
Review:
Just inspecting their site code "Club Express" and many of their customers, they look legitimate. Although I cannot
determine what they host their backend servers on. If it is Windoze, I (personally) would bail-out immediately. We
are Bill Gates Free at JPL in Flight Operations for very obvious security reasons. I also cannot determine what database
they are using for the back-end.
All "Club Express" customers seem to use the same template. That's done to keep costs down and helps with security
and support as well. Custom website can get very expensive.
Admin functions seem to the same as many other Club/HOA vertical market hosting websites. Pretty simple interactive
configuration and setup. No technical expertise needed.
I was very disappointed to find that they DO NOT support mobile technology. Club Express is not optimized to run on our
evil mobile devices such as smart phones, iPads, etc. This is a real concern.
Club Express offers easy access to a backend database, but they do not say what it is? I also could not find any examples
of any search capabilities for those databases. In POCA I know that will become a big deal for two (2) reasons. 1) if we start
putting a knowledge-base together for Pantera Tech-support, and 2) search all members and photo's. Document libraries can
be difficult to create and maintain. Large database capacity and strong search capability is absolutely necessary.
Knowledge-Base: At first glance I don't think "Club Express" has the right stuff for a good, searchable, Pantera knowledge-base.
That will need to be investigated by POCA
I still lean more to MediaWiki (Wikipedia is built on that) and let some of our incredible Pantera Guru's add content to that.
Very easy to do. It might be possible to host that within Club Express.
Photos. ALL of the Club Express customers use "Member Login" so I was not able to determine how extensive those customers
photo database are. But I do know (because I helped Asa Jay fix it) that POCA has a huge library of photos. Does Club Express have
the capability to upload those? Database uploads are very labor intensive. Each photo group will need that members attention.
So there needs to be a way to upload the photos, then a powerful search capability, and easy member maintenance.
I personally like "smugmug." A professional photography site. Maybe that could be tie to Club Express too.
Club Express Costs:
$400. / month hosting fee
$2000. White Glove setup fee. There are cheaper costs but probably do not fit POCA
CC fee's: 2.39% per transaction
AE fee: 3.30% per transaction
Build Out:
$600 Design
$100 Quickbooks Integration
$400 Virtual Membership
$100/hr Training
$1000/day+travel exp.
$80/hr custom software
So that is my hour review. I was not asked, but I was just curious. Those who will be managing this project will
give us a more complete picture, I'm sure.
Now back to my regular job of chasing aliens.
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
🇺🇸
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:24 AM
To: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com<mailto:bill at incendium.com>>, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>, Robert Pink <robpink2012 at gmail.com<mailto:robpink2012 at gmail.com>>, michael barnes <michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>, "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Photo storage; was Gas tank removal/chassis rust
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
I totally support Terry for a design review. The website redesign has gone badly since the first efforts were made in the 2006-2007 time frame when the "free" Joomla effort was begun, then again when the site got hacked, and again last year.
It is so much more than the pretty pictures. Security, database design, PayPal interfaces, migrating the Member database to a secure web environment, providing usable (and that's the key) access to the club's vast store of knowledge in the past Newsletters and Profiles, even the forum content - there's a lot that needs to be donefto make it successful. It looks simple on the surface but in reality, there's a lot of depth to our needs.
Got me to thinking, even things like field sizes need to be considered, seems pretty mundane but turns outr to be important in the details. Or how does a Member manage what information he wants to make available when the Membership Directory is done on-line. Lots to think about.
If we have Board-level postions for the Editors for Profiles and for the Newsletter, then we surely need one for the Website. I nominate Terry, although I suspect he is too busy at work to take on the responsibility. If not him, the person needs to be fluent in project management, system usability, security, database design, etc. etc.
Jeff
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Don't forget monthly maintenance. If you leave that up to the vendor
it will get very expensive quick.
Someone within the POCA family needs to step up to that task. Here are
the category of items to maintain
from Club Express and me;
Maintenance:
$?? <-- Club Express (CE) monthly cost if not done by POCA
Updating home page
Updating website content
Calendars
General Contact pages
etc etc etc
Posting news items
Uploading photos and building photo pages $$$ (not sure why
??)
Uploading documents
Creating events
Updating committees, interests, contracts, etc.
My Adds:
Membership mass emails (as needed)
Accounting Mgmt.
Merchant Account Mgmt
Help Desk On-Line Support. Not sure if this included in the "monthly
fee"
Review:
Just inspecting their site code "Club Express" and many of their
customers, they look legitimate. Although I cannot
determine what they host their backend servers on. If it is Windoze, I
(personally) would bail-out immediately. We
are Bill Gates Free at JPL in Flight Operations for very obvious
security reasons. I also cannot determine what database
they are using for the back-end.
All "Club Express" customers seem to use the same template. That's
done to keep costs down and helps with security
and support as well. Custom website can get very expensive.
Admin functions seem to the same as many other Club/HOA vertical market
hosting websites. Pretty simple interactive
configuration and setup. No technical expertise needed.
I was very disappointed to find that they DO NOT support mobile
technology. Club Express is not optimized to run on our
evil mobile devices such as smart phones, iPads, etc. This is a real
concern.
Club Express offers easy access to a backend database, but they do not
say what it is? I also could not find any examples
of any search capabilities for those databases. In POCA I know that
will become a big deal for two (2) reasons. 1) if we start
putting a knowledge-base together for Pantera Tech-support, and 2)
search all members and photo's. Document libraries can
be difficult to create and maintain. Large database capacity and strong
search capability is absolutely necessary.
Knowledge-Base: At first glance I don't think "Club Express" has the
right stuff for a good, searchable, Pantera knowledge-base.
That will need to be investigated by POCA
I still lean more to MediaWiki (Wikipedia is built on that) and let
some of our incredible Pantera Guru's add content to that.
Very easy to do. It might be possible to host that within Club
Express.
Photos. ALL of the Club Express customers use "Member Login" so I was
not able to determine how extensive those customers
photo database are. But I do know (because I helped Asa Jay fix it)
that POCA has a huge library of photos. Does Club Express have
the capability to upload those? Database uploads are very labor
intensive. Each photo group will need that members attention.
So there needs to be a way to upload the photos, then a powerful search
capability, and easy member maintenance.
I personally like "smugmug." A professional photography site. Maybe
that could be tie to Club Express too.
Club Express Costs:
$400. / month hosting fee
$2000. White Glove setup fee. There are cheaper costs but
probably do not fit POCA
CC fee's: 2.39% per transaction
AE fee: 3.30% per transaction
Build Out:
$600 Design
$100 Quickbooks Integration
$400 Virtual Membership
$100/hr Training
$1000/day+travel exp.
$80/hr custom software
So that is my hour review. I was not asked, but I was just curious.
Those who will be managing this project will
give us a more complete picture, I'm sure.
Now back to my regular job of chasing aliens.
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:24 AM
To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Bill Moore <[4]bill at incendium.com>, Julian Kift
<[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Robert Pink <[6]robpink2012 at gmail.com>,
michael barnes <[7]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>, Mike Drew
<[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "[9]detomaso at poca.com" <[10]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Photo storage; was Gas tank removal/chassis
rust
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Detrich <[11]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
I totally support Terry for a design review. The website redesign has
gone badly since the first efforts were made in the 2006-2007 time
frame when the "free" Joomla effort was begun, then again when the site
got hacked, and again last year.
It is so much more than the pretty pictures. Security, database design,
PayPal interfaces, migrating the Member database to a secure web
environment, providing usable (and that's the key) access to the club's
vast store of knowledge in the past Newsletters and Profiles, even the
forum content - there's a lot that needs to be donefto make it
successful. It looks simple on the surface but in reality, there's a
lot of depth to our needs.
Got me to thinking, even things like field sizes need to be considered,
seems pretty mundane but turns outr to be important in the details. Or
how does a Member manage what information he wants to make available
when the Membership Directory is done on-line. Lots to think about.
If we have Board-level postions for the Editors for Profiles and for
the Newsletter, then we surely need one for the Website. I nominate
Terry, although I suspect he is too busy at work to take on the
responsibility. If not him, the person needs to be fluent in project
management, system usability, security, database design, etc. etc.
Jeff
6559
References
1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
2. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
3. mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov
4. mailto:bill at incendium.com
5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
6. mailto:robpink2012 at gmail.com
7. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
11. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
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