[DeTomaso] NPC Photo storage; was Gas tank removal/chassis rust
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Sun Jan 10 11:21:36 EST 2016
Thank you for researching it,
I appreciate your diligence and concern on behalf of POCA.
Many of your concerns are valid and suggested solutions seem reasonable.
As we begin to drop into the rabbit hole and explore, I hope that you will
strap on your headlamp and venture with us as we discovery the path.
Your expertise is both respected and appreciated.
Michael Shortt
On Jan 10, 2016 10:38 AM, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
wrote:
> Don't forget monthly maintenance. If you leave that up to the vendor
> it will get very expensive quick.
> Someone within the POCA family needs to step up to that task. Here are
> the category of items to maintain
> from Club Express and me;
> Maintenance:
> $?? <-- Club Express (CE) monthly cost if not done by POCA
> Updating home page
> Updating website content
> Calendars
> General Contact pages
> etc etc etc
> Posting news items
> Uploading photos and building photo pages $$$ (not sure why
> ??)
> Uploading documents
> Creating events
> Updating committees, interests, contracts, etc.
> My Adds:
> Membership mass emails (as needed)
> Accounting Mgmt.
> Merchant Account Mgmt
> Help Desk On-Line Support. Not sure if this included in the "monthly
> fee"
> Review:
> Just inspecting their site code "Club Express" and many of their
> customers, they look legitimate. Although I cannot
> determine what they host their backend servers on. If it is Windoze, I
> (personally) would bail-out immediately. We
> are Bill Gates Free at JPL in Flight Operations for very obvious
> security reasons. I also cannot determine what database
> they are using for the back-end.
> All "Club Express" customers seem to use the same template. That's
> done to keep costs down and helps with security
> and support as well. Custom website can get very expensive.
>
> Admin functions seem to the same as many other Club/HOA vertical market
> hosting websites. Pretty simple interactive
>
> configuration and setup. No technical expertise needed.
>
> I was very disappointed to find that they DO NOT support mobile
> technology. Club Express is not optimized to run on our
>
> evil mobile devices such as smart phones, iPads, etc. This is a real
> concern.
>
> Club Express offers easy access to a backend database, but they do not
> say what it is? I also could not find any examples
>
> of any search capabilities for those databases. In POCA I know that
> will become a big deal for two (2) reasons. 1) if we start
>
> putting a knowledge-base together for Pantera Tech-support, and 2)
> search all members and photo's. Document libraries can
>
> be difficult to create and maintain. Large database capacity and strong
> search capability is absolutely necessary.
>
> Knowledge-Base: At first glance I don't think "Club Express" has the
> right stuff for a good, searchable, Pantera knowledge-base.
>
> That will need to be investigated by POCA
>
> I still lean more to MediaWiki (Wikipedia is built on that) and let
> some of our incredible Pantera Guru's add content to that.
>
> Very easy to do. It might be possible to host that within Club
> Express.
>
> Photos. ALL of the Club Express customers use "Member Login" so I was
> not able to determine how extensive those customers
>
> photo database are. But I do know (because I helped Asa Jay fix it)
> that POCA has a huge library of photos. Does Club Express have
>
> the capability to upload those? Database uploads are very labor
> intensive. Each photo group will need that members attention.
>
> So there needs to be a way to upload the photos, then a powerful search
> capability, and easy member maintenance.
>
> I personally like "smugmug." A professional photography site. Maybe
> that could be tie to Club Express too.
>
> Club Express Costs:
>
> $400. / month hosting fee
>
> $2000. White Glove setup fee. There are cheaper costs but
> probably do not fit POCA
>
> CC fee's: 2.39% per transaction
>
> AE fee: 3.30% per transaction
>
> Build Out:
>
> $600 Design
>
> $100 Quickbooks Integration
>
> $400 Virtual Membership
>
> $100/hr Training
>
> $1000/day+travel exp.
>
> $80/hr custom software
>
> So that is my hour review. I was not asked, but I was just curious.
> Those who will be managing this project will
>
> give us a more complete picture, I'm sure.
>
> Now back to my regular job of chasing aliens.
>
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>
> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> From: Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:24 AM
> To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Cc: Bill Moore <[4]bill at incendium.com>, Julian Kift
> <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Robert Pink <[6]robpink2012 at gmail.com>,
> michael barnes <[7]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>, Mike Drew
> <[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "[9]detomaso at poca.com" <[10]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Photo storage; was Gas tank removal/chassis
> rust
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Detrich <[11]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I totally support Terry for a design review. The website redesign has
> gone badly since the first efforts were made in the 2006-2007 time
> frame when the "free" Joomla effort was begun, then again when the site
> got hacked, and again last year.
>
> It is so much more than the pretty pictures. Security, database design,
> PayPal interfaces, migrating the Member database to a secure web
> environment, providing usable (and that's the key) access to the club's
> vast store of knowledge in the past Newsletters and Profiles, even the
> forum content - there's a lot that needs to be donefto make it
> successful. It looks simple on the surface but in reality, there's a
> lot of depth to our needs.
>
> Got me to thinking, even things like field sizes need to be considered,
> seems pretty mundane but turns outr to be important in the details. Or
> how does a Member manage what information he wants to make available
> when the Membership Directory is done on-line. Lots to think about.
> If we have Board-level postions for the Editors for Profiles and for
> the Newsletter, then we surely need one for the Website. I nominate
> Terry, although I suspect he is too busy at work to take on the
> responsibility. If not him, the person needs to be fluent in project
> management, system usability, security, database design, etc. etc.
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 2. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 4. mailto:bill at incendium.com
> 5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 6. mailto:robpink2012 at gmail.com
> 7. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
> 8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 11. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
>
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Thank you for researching it,
I appreciate your diligence and concern on behalf of POCA.
Many of your concerns are valid and suggested solutions seem
reasonable.
As we begin to drop into the rabbit hole and explore, I hope that you
will strap on your headlamp and venture with us as we discovery the
path.
Your expertise is both respected and appreciated.
Michael Shortt
On Jan 10, 2016 10:38 AM, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
<[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
A A Don't forget monthly maintenance.A If you leave that up to the
vendor
A A it will get very expensive quick.
A A Someone within the POCA family needs to step up to that task.A
Here are
A A the category of items to maintain
A A from Club Express and me;
A A Maintenance:
A A A A $?? <--A Club Express (CE) monthly cost if not done by
POCA
A A A A A A Updating home page
A A A A A A Updating website content
A A A A A A A A A A Calendars
A A A A A A A A A A General Contact pages
A A A A A A A A A A A etc etc etc
A A A A A A Posting news items
A A A A A A Uploading photos and building photo pages $$$A
(not sure why
A A ??)
A A A A A A Uploading documents
A A A A A A Creating events
A A A A A A Updating committees, interests, contracts, etc.
A A My Adds:
A A Membership mass emails (as needed)
A A Accounting Mgmt.
A A Merchant Account Mgmt
A A Help Desk On-Line Support.A Not sure if this included in the
"monthly
A A fee"
A A Review:
A A Just inspecting their site code "Club Express" and many of
their
A A customers, they look legitimate.A Although I cannot
A A determine what they host their backend servers on.A If it is
Windoze, I
A A (personally) would bail-out immediately.A We
A A are Bill Gates Free at JPL in Flight Operations for very
obvious
A A security reasons.A I also cannot determine what database
A A they are using for the back-end.
A A All "Club Express" customers seem to use the same template.A
That's
A A done to keep costs down and helps with security
A A and support as well.A Custom website can get very expensive.
A A Admin functions seem to the same as many other Club/HOA
vertical market
A A hosting websites.A Pretty simple interactive
A A configuration and setup.A No technical expertise needed.
A A I was very disappointed to find that they DO NOT support mobile
A A technology.A Club Express is not optimized to run on our
A A evilA mobile devices such as smart phones, iPads, etc.A This
is a real
A A concern.
A A Club Express offers easy access to a backend database, but they
do not
A A say what it is?A A I also could not find any examples
A A of any search capabilities for those databases.A A In POCA I
know that
A A will become a big deal for two (2) reasons.A 1) if we start
A A putting a knowledge-base together for Pantera Tech-support, and
2)
A A search all members and photo's.A Document libraries can
A A be difficult to create and maintain. Large database capacity
and strong
A A search capability is absolutely necessary.
A A Knowledge-Base: At first glance I don't thinkA "Club Express"
has the
A A right stuff for a good, searchable, Pantera knowledge-base.
A A That will need to be investigated by POCA
A A I still lean more to MediaWiki (Wikipedia is built on that) and
let
A A some of our incredible Pantera Guru's add content to that.
A A Very easy to do.A It might be possible to host that within
Club
A A Express.
A A Photos.A ALL of the Club Express customers use "Member Login"
so I was
A A not able to determine how extensive those customers
A A photo database are.A But I do know (because I helped Asa Jay
fix it)
A A that POCA has a huge library of photos.A Does Club Express
have
A A the capability to upload those?A Database uploads are very
labor
A A intensive.A Each photo group will need that members attention.
A A So there needs to be a way to upload the photos, then a
powerful search
A A capability, and easy member maintenance.
A A I personally like "smugmug."A A professional photography
site.A Maybe
A A that could be tie to Club Express too.
A A Club Express Costs:
A A A A $400. / monthA hosting fee
A A A A $2000.A White Glove setup fee.A There are cheaper costs
but
A A probably do not fit POCA
A A A A CC fee's:A 2.39% per transaction
A A A A AE fee:A A A 3.30% per transaction
A A Build Out:
A A A A $600A Design
A A A A $100A Quickbooks Integration
A A A A $400A Virtual Membership
A A A A $100/hr Training
A A A A $1000/day+travel exp.
A A A A $80/hr custom software
A A So that is my hour review.A I was not asked, but I was just
curious.
A A Those who will be managing this project will
A A give us a more complete picture, I'm sure.
A A Now back to my regular job of chasing aliens.
A A Terry
A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
A A Terry W. Himes
A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
A A InSight Sequence Team Lead
A A Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
A A Phone: (818) 393-6261
A A Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213
A A Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147
A A [1][2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A From: Jeff Detrich <[2][3]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A Date: Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:24 AM
A A To: Terry Himes <[3][4]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
A A Cc: Bill Moore <[4][5]bill at incendium.com>, Julian Kift
A A <[5][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Robert Pink
<[6][7]robpink2012 at gmail.com>,
A A michael barnes <[7][8]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>, Mike
Drew
A A <[8][9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "[9][10]detomaso at poca.com"
<[10][11]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Photo storage; was Gas tank
removal/chassis
A A rust
A A On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Detrich
<[11][12]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A I totally support Terry for a design review. The website
redesign has
A A gone badly since the first efforts were made in the 2006-2007
time
A A frame when the "free" Joomla effort was begun, then again when
the site
A A got hacked, and again last year.
A A It is so much more than the pretty pictures. Security, database
design,
A A PayPal interfaces, migrating the Member database to a secure
web
A A environment, providing usable (and that's the key) access to
the club's
A A vast store of knowledge in the past Newsletters and Profiles,
even the
A A forum content - there's a lot that needs to be donefto make it
A A successful. It looks simple on the surface but in reality,
there's a
A A lot of depth to our needs.
A A Got me to thinking, even things like field sizes need to be
considered,
A A seems pretty mundane but turns outr to be important in the
details. Or
A A how does a Member manage what information he wants to make
available
A A when the Membership Directory is done on-line. Lots to think
about.
A A If we have Board-level postions for the Editors for Profiles
and for
A A the Newsletter, then we surely need one for the Website. I
nominate
A A Terry, although I suspect he is too busy at work to take on the
A A responsibility. If not him, the person needs to be fluent in
project
A A management, system usability, security, database design, etc.
etc.
A A Jeff
A A 6559
References
A A 1. mailto:[13]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A 2. mailto:[14]jjdetrich at gmail.com
A A 3. mailto:[15]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A 4. mailto:[16]bill at incendium.com
A A 5. mailto:[17]julian_kift at hotmail.com
A A 6. mailto:[18]robpink2012 at gmail.com
A A 7. mailto:[19]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
A A 8. mailto:[20]MikeLDrew at aol.com
A A 9. mailto:[21]detomaso at poca.com
A 10. mailto:[22]detomaso at poca.com
A 11. mailto:[23]jjdetrich at gmail.com
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