[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 140, Issue 29
jderyke at aol.com
jderyke at aol.com
Mon Feb 29 20:18:24 EST 2016
Owen, a rattle from one rocker cover could indeed be a stuck lifter. There are lifter-cleaning products on the market that apparently work, but the problem is there's very little oil flow through the lifters. So it may be quite a while until the magic stuff gets into the lifter and even longer until it softens the varnish or whatever's causing the sticking. Depending on your patience, this may fix the noise eventually. It could also be a loose rocker arm or a bent/broken pushrod. Problem we have is, we cannot see what parts are on the motor from 6000 miles away, so I'll assume it's bone-stock. As such, there should be no adjustable parts anywhere in the valvetrain. If the rocker arm is not stamped steel but is aluminum, there are other possibilities.
Remove the rocker cover from the head that's making noise, and look for looseness in all 8 exposed rocker arms by wiggling them. Also look for missing pushrods: if one breaks or bends, that rocker arm will flop around. If everything seems to be accounted for, lay drain pans or large cloths under the side of the engine without a rocker cover, have a good shop light or strong flashlight at hand, and start it up. At idle, the amount of oil you'll lose from spillage will be minimal. and ideally you will only be running the engine at most 2 minutes or so. You can zero in on the noise while watching the action, and verify the results of the noisy area by carefully touching the errant rocker arm while the engine is running slowly. If you guessed right, the noise will change or stop as you push on one rocker arm. That tells you exactly which lifter & rocker arm on which cylinder is involved. Shut the engine off.
Try tightening the bolt holding the noisy rocker arm. If the bolt turns at all, you likely found your problem. If not, it will require parts removal and gasket replacement. Good luck- J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Owen Cooke <owen at tadhgcooke.com>
To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 29, 2016 2:15 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 140, Issue 29
Guys
help please with hydraulic lifters
I have a 1972 std pantera its got 4 dot heads and alum intake
manifold and 4 bolt mains
i rolled it over for 2 months while rust proffing it with engine still
in it
now its finished and back on road but a rattle from one head seems to
be a lifter and it is somtimes intermittent but quite loud
what advice can you give me - i never saw a hydraulic lifter as we
have all overhead cams or for old stuff all are solid lifters
how should i go about checking the exact source of the noise and
assuming it is one hydraulic lifter what do i do to repair it ??
your advice would be much appreciated
owen cooke dublin Ireland
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 13:56:00 +0100
> From: "Freddy Henningsen" <fredhen at online.no>
> To: <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
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> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in the
> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt on. not
> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I heard a
> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must surely
> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy? and any
> idea what the cost?
> adds a picture of the one I have.
> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
>
> Freddy
> 7207
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 07:19:18 -0600
> From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
> To: "'Freddy Henningsen'" <fredhen at online.no>, <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
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> Dear Freddy,
>
>
> From what little I know, there is no new replacement bolt-on for
> the stock Pantera vacuum brake booster. My brother went through this
> recently, and the usual arrangement is to buy a rebuilt unit from Pantera
> Performance Center, in his case, or another vendor. You send in your old
> unit and then get the rebuilt unit.
>
> There might be an obscure aftermarket bolt in unit, but I can't
> recall hearing about one.
>
> I do know of a few people who have done without the brake
> booster, but it does require (I am told) further modifications and changes
> to the brake system, primarily, the master cylinder.
>
>
> My recommendation would be to check with Pantera Performance
> Center.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Freddy
> Henningsen
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>
> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in the
> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt on. not
> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I heard a
> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must surely
> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy? and any
> idea what the cost?
> adds a picture of the one I have.
> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
>
> Freddy
> 7207
>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 13:23:36 +0000 (UTC)
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, 'Freddy Henningsen'
> <fredhen at online.no>, "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
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> I got mine there also.........no problems.
> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'Freddy Henningsen' <fredhen at online.no>; detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>
> Dear Freddy,
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? From what little I know, there is no new replacement bolt-on for
> the stock Pantera vacuum brake booster.? My brother went through this
> recently, and the usual arrangement is to buy a rebuilt unit from Pantera
> Performance Center, in his case, or another vendor.? You send in your old
> unit and then get the rebuilt unit.
>
> ? ? ? ? ? There might be an obscure aftermarket bolt in unit, but I can't
> recall hearing about one.
>
> ? ? ? ? ? I do know of a few people who have done without the brake
> booster, but it does require (I am told) further modifications and changes
> to the brake system, primarily, the master cylinder.
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? My recommendation would be to check with Pantera Performance
> Center.
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Freddy
> Henningsen
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>
> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in the
> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt on. not
> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I heard a
> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must surely
> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy? and any
> idea what the cost?
> adds a picture of the one I have.
> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
>
> Freddy
> 7207
>
>
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> I got mine there also.........no problems.
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
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>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'Freddy Henningsen' <fredhen at online.no>; detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
> Dear Freddy,
> From what little I know, there is no new replacement
> bolt-on for
> the stock Pantera vacuum brake booster. My brother went through this
> recently, and the usual arrangement is to buy a rebuilt unit from
> Pantera
> Performance Center, in his case, or another vendor. You send in your
> old
> unit and then get the rebuilt unit.
> There might be an obscure aftermarket bolt in unit, but I
> can't
> recall hearing about one.
> I do know of a few people who have done without the brake
> booster, but it does require (I am told) further modifications and
> changes
> to the brake system, primarily, the master cylinder.
> My recommendation would be to check with Pantera Performance
> Center.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> Freddy
> Henningsen
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in the
> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt on.
> not
> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I
> heard a
> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must
> surely
> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy? and
> any
> idea what the cost?
> adds a picture of the one I have.
> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
> Freddy
> 7207
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 08:50:36 -0500
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> I got mine from Precision Proformance. Jack DeRyke has a description below
>
> In a message dated 6/15/11 12:16:59 PM, rob at dumoulins.net writes:
>
>> J, Can you be more specific? Is the conversion written up somewhere?
>>
> Not that I remember, but installation only consisted of unbolting the
> stocker, bolting the Byars conversion in its place, and fabricating two new
> brake
> lines to fit the GM master cylinder. The Byars conversion involved them
> chopping the 4-stud GM mounts off the booster, welding three new metric
> studs
> in place to match the original Pantera mount, then gold-alodine coating.
> Uses
> stock nuts, washers and the stock pedal pushrod. It fit but was close on
> our early L where the inner wheelwell edge snuggles up to the brake booster
> cannister. On some cars with heavily upholstered front trunks, this is the
> only area where you might need a small dent. The aluminum GM master cylinder
> has a built-in 2 lb pressure-hold valve to the front calipers, saving the
> cost of adding one.
> The two fabricated lines take SAE flairs, not Euro bubble-flairs; they need
> to be fabricated because the two outlets are both on the inner fender side
> of the master cylinder, which does NOT protrude at an odd angle nor stick
> further into the front trunk space than stock. Finally, paired with certain
> clutch master cylinder adaptions, the slightly larger dia. brake booster
> gets
> very close, and a little file-fitting might be needed. My aluminum Girling
> clutch master fit unaltered as did a stock iron MS, but there are many such
> combinations possible.
> Incidently, it's been in our Pantera for 6 yrs; 2 yrs after I installed it,
> the plastic vacuum exhaust valve housing cracked for unknown reasons
> (protrudes into the cabin thru a big hole; I might have done it myself) and
> Byars
> overhauled it free of charge. GOOD service! FWIW- J DeRyke
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:23 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I got mine there also.........no problems.
>>
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>> ! )
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> To: 'Freddy Henningsen' <fredhen at online.no>; detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>> Dear Freddy,
>> From what little I know, there is no new replacement
>> bolt-on for
>> the stock Pantera vacuum brake booster. My brother went through this
>> recently, and the usual arrangement is to buy a rebuilt unit from
>> Pantera
>> Performance Center, in his case, or another vendor. You send in your
>> old
>> unit and then get the rebuilt unit.
>> There might be an obscure aftermarket bolt in unit, but I
>> can't
>> recall hearing about one.
>> I do know of a few people who have done without the brake
>> booster, but it does require (I am told) further modifications and
>> changes
>> to the brake system, primarily, the master cylinder.
>> My recommendation would be to check with Pantera Performance
>> Center.
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>> Freddy
>> Henningsen
>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:56 AM
>> To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in the
>> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt on.
>> not
>> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I
>> heard a
>> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must
>> surely
>> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy? and
>> any
>> idea what the cost?
>> adds a picture of the one I have.
>> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
>> Freddy
>> 7207
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Owen, a rattle from one rocker cover could indeed be a stuck lifter.
There are lifter-cleaning products on the market that apparently work,
but the problem is there's very little oil flow through the lifters. So
it may be quite a while until the magic stuff gets into the lifter and
even longer until it softens the varnish or whatever's causing the
sticking. Depending on your patience, this may fix the noise
eventually. It could also be a loose rocker arm or a bent/broken
pushrod. Problem we have is, we cannot see what parts are on the motor
from 6000 miles away, so I'll assume it's bone-stock. As such, there
should be no adjustable parts anywhere in the valvetrain. If the rocker
arm is not stamped steel but is aluminum, there are other
possibilities.
Remove the rocker cover from the head that's making noise, and look for
looseness in all 8 exposed rocker arms by wiggling them. Also look for
missing pushrods: if one breaks or bends, that rocker arm will flop
around. If everything seems to be accounted for, lay drain pans or
large cloths under the side of the engine without a rocker cover, have
a good shop light or strong flashlight at hand, and start it up. At
idle, the amount of oil you'll lose from spillage will be minimal. and
ideally you will only be running the engine at most 2 minutes or so.
You can zero in on the noise while watching the action, and verify the
results of the noisy area by carefully touching the errant rocker arm
while the engine is running slowly. If you guessed right, the noise
will change or stop as you push on one rocker arm. That tells you
exactly which lifter & rocker arm on which cylinder is involved. Shut
the engine off.
Try tightening the bolt holding the noisy rocker arm. If the bolt turns
at all, you likely found your problem. If not, it will require parts
removal and gasket replacement. Good luck- J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Owen Cooke <owen at tadhgcooke.com>
To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 29, 2016 2:15 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 140, Issue 29
Guys
help please with hydraulic lifters
I have a 1972 std pantera its got 4 dot heads and alum intake
manifold and 4 bolt mains
i rolled it over for 2 months while rust proffing it with engine still
in it
now its finished and back on road but a rattle from one head seems to
be a lifter and it is somtimes intermittent but quite loud
what advice can you give me - i never saw a hydraulic lifter as we
have all overhead cams or for old stuff all are solid lifters
how should i go about checking the exact source of the noise and
assuming it is one hydraulic lifter what do i do to repair it ??
your advice would be much appreciated
owen cooke dublin Ireland
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> 2. Re: more advertising the brand (Ed Mendez)
> 3. Breakes booster (Freddy Henningsen)
> 4. Re: Breakes booster (Charles Engles)
> 5. Re: Breakes booster (B Hower)
> 6. Re: Breakes booster (Sean Korb)
> 7. Re: Breakes booster (Brian Dudley)
> 8. Re: Breakes booster (Mike Drew)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 05:18:03 +0000 (UTC)
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[10]http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/car-and-driver-tested-th
e-quickest-cars-from-the-1950s-to-today/ss-BBpnjUv#image=28
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>
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-the
> -quickest-cars-from-the-1950s-to-today/ss-BBpnjUv#image=28
> grinillinois
>
> References
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> 1.
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 13:56:00 +0100
> From: "Freddy Henningsen" <[22]fredhen at online.no>
> To: <[23]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
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> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in
the
> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt
on. not
> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I
heard a
> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must
surely
> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy?
and any
> idea what the cost?
> adds a picture of the one I have.
> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
>
> Freddy
> 7207
>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 07:19:18 -0600
> From: "Charles Engles" <[26]cengles at cox.net>
> To: "'Freddy Henningsen'" <[27]fredhen at online.no>,
<[28]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
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>
> Dear Freddy,
>
>
> From what little I know, there is no new replacement bolt-on for
> the stock Pantera vacuum brake booster. My brother went through this
> recently, and the usual arrangement is to buy a rebuilt unit from
Pantera
> Performance Center, in his case, or another vendor. You send in your
old
> unit and then get the rebuilt unit.
>
> There might be an obscure aftermarket bolt in unit, but I can't
> recall hearing about one.
>
> I do know of a few people who have done without the brake
> booster, but it does require (I am told) further modifications and
changes
> to the brake system, primarily, the master cylinder.
>
>
> My recommendation would be to check with Pantera Performance
> Center.
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[29]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Freddy
> Henningsen
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: [30]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>
> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in
the
> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt
on. not
> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I
heard a
> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must
surely
> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy?
and any
> idea what the cost?
> adds a picture of the one I have.
> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
>
> Freddy
> 7207
>
>
> ---
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 13:23:36 +0000 (UTC)
> From: B Hower <[32]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: Charles Engles <[33]cengles at cox.net>, 'Freddy Henningsen'
> <[34]fredhen at online.no>, "[35]detomaso at poca.com"
<[36]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
> Message-ID:
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>
> I got mine there also.........no problems.
> ?Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be ! )
>
> From: Charles Engles <[38]cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'Freddy Henningsen' <[39]fredhen at online.no>;
[40]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>
> Dear Freddy,
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? From what little I know, there is no new replacement
bolt-on for
> the stock Pantera vacuum brake booster.? My brother went through this
> recently, and the usual arrangement is to buy a rebuilt unit from
Pantera
> Performance Center, in his case, or another vendor.? You send in your
old
> unit and then get the rebuilt unit.
>
> ? ? ? ? ? There might be an obscure aftermarket bolt in unit, but I
can't
> recall hearing about one.
>
> ? ? ? ? ? I do know of a few people who have done without the brake
> booster, but it does require (I am told) further modifications and
changes
> to the brake system, primarily, the master cylinder.
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? My recommendation would be to check with Pantera
Performance
> Center.
>
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[41]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Freddy
> Henningsen
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: [42]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>
> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in
the
> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt
on. not
> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I
heard a
> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must
surely
> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy?
and any
> idea what the cost?
> adds a picture of the one I have.
> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
>
> Freddy
> 7207
>
>
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> I got mine there also.........no problems.
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be
> ! )
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Charles Engles <[46]cengles at cox.net>
> To: 'Freddy Henningsen' <[47]fredhen at online.no>;
[48]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
> Dear Freddy,
> From what little I know, there is no new replacement
> bolt-on for
> the stock Pantera vacuum brake booster. My brother went through this
> recently, and the usual arrangement is to buy a rebuilt unit from
> Pantera
> Performance Center, in his case, or another vendor. You send in your
> old
> unit and then get the rebuilt unit.
> There might be an obscure aftermarket bolt in unit, but I
> can't
> recall hearing about one.
> I do know of a few people who have done without the brake
> booster, but it does require (I am told) further modifications and
> changes
> to the brake system, primarily, the master cylinder.
> My recommendation would be to check with Pantera Performance
> Center.
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[49]mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> Freddy
> Henningsen
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: [2][50]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in
the
> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt
on.
> not
> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I
> heard a
> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must
> surely
> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy?
and
> any
> idea what the cost?
> adds a picture of the one I have.
> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
> Freddy
> 7207
> ---
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> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 08:50:36 -0500
> From: Sean Korb <[59]spkorb at gmail.com>
> To: "[60]detomaso at poca.com" <[61]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
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> I got mine from Precision Proformance. Jack DeRyke has a description
below
>
> In a message dated 6/15/11 12:16:59 PM, [63]rob at dumoulins.net writes:
>
>> J, Can you be more specific? Is the conversion written up somewhere?
>>
> Not that I remember, but installation only consisted of unbolting the
> stocker, bolting the Byars conversion in its place, and fabricating
two new
> brake
> lines to fit the GM master cylinder. The Byars conversion involved
them
> chopping the 4-stud GM mounts off the booster, welding three new
metric
> studs
> in place to match the original Pantera mount, then gold-alodine
coating.
> Uses
> stock nuts, washers and the stock pedal pushrod. It fit but was close
on
> our early L where the inner wheelwell edge snuggles up to the brake
booster
> cannister. On some cars with heavily upholstered front trunks, this
is the
> only area where you might need a small dent. The aluminum GM master
cylinder
> has a built-in 2 lb pressure-hold valve to the front calipers, saving
the
> cost of adding one.
> The two fabricated lines take SAE flairs, not Euro bubble-flairs;
they need
> to be fabricated because the two outlets are both on the inner fender
side
> of the master cylinder, which does NOT protrude at an odd angle nor
stick
> further into the front trunk space than stock. Finally, paired with
certain
> clutch master cylinder adaptions, the slightly larger dia. brake
booster
> gets
> very close, and a little file-fitting might be needed. My aluminum
Girling
> clutch master fit unaltered as did a stock iron MS, but there are
many such
> combinations possible.
> Incidently, it's been in our Pantera for 6 yrs; 2 yrs after I
installed it,
> the plastic vacuum exhaust valve housing cracked for unknown reasons
> (protrudes into the cabin thru a big hole; I might have done it
myself) and
> Byars
> overhauled it free of charge. GOOD service! FWIW- J DeRyke
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:23 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
<[64]detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I got mine there also.........no problems.
>>
>> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be
>> ! )
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <[65]cengles at cox.net>
>> To: 'Freddy Henningsen' <[66]fredhen at online.no>;
[67]detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>> Dear Freddy,
>> From what little I know, there is no new replacement
>> bolt-on for
>> the stock Pantera vacuum brake booster. My brother went through this
>> recently, and the usual arrangement is to buy a rebuilt unit from
>> Pantera
>> Performance Center, in his case, or another vendor. You send in your
>> old
>> unit and then get the rebuilt unit.
>> There might be an obscure aftermarket bolt in unit, but I
>> can't
>> recall hearing about one.
>> I do know of a few people who have done without the brake
>> booster, but it does require (I am told) further modifications and
>> changes
>> to the brake system, primarily, the master cylinder.
>> My recommendation would be to check with Pantera Performance
>> Center.
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[68]mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of
>> Freddy
>> Henningsen
>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:56 AM
>> To: [2][69]detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Breakes booster
>> This is certainly discussed 1000 times. but can someone point me in
the
>> right direction for changing brake booster. I want one that is bolt
on.
>> not
>> any modification .. I have had bad brakes all the time and today I
>> heard a
>> whistling sound that was quite powerful from the booster. So it must
>> surely
>> be the explanation for bad brakes? where to buy? what should I buy?
and
>> any
>> idea what the cost?
>> adds a picture of the one I have.
>> thank you so much in advance for tips:)
>> Freddy
>> 7207
>> ---
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