[DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
R.J
willibillie at live.de
Fri Feb 26 13:38:41 EST 2016
Thank you Julian, very well said.
Am 26.02.2016 um 17:25 schrieb Julian Kift:
> Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate
> his registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance
> given that he's put years of hard work, long hours and money into
> something that no one else wanted to take on for the longest time. He
> also provides free access to that registry for the simple task of a
> submission, a tactic which has allowed him to amass well over 4,000
> entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their details?
> I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that
> 'yours' will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other
> registry members use only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to
> say it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in terms.
>
> The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby,
> they don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it
> all straightened out. We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever
> owns the De Tomaso marque never chooses to get involved!
>
> I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and
> it hasn't seen that need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly
> to break down divisions within the marque then you I recommend
> you embrace what Chuck and others before him have achieved and not
> be bickering over who owns what and is bigger and better. The Provamo
> registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera information
> anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.
>
> Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that
> 'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post
> was 3 months ago..... so I will continue to us my time how I see fit
> to voice my opinions, even if I am the 1% minority,
> when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
> Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate
> his with ours.
> Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if
> you choose to upload yours )
> The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are
> all dead,
> Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
> It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
> other registry members to use only.
> Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone
> would use their time
> to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
> better.
> I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to
> use, it probably won't be changed
> for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out
> would have to do it again, 2) the expense
> of making those changes. I am not going to punish those who comply and
> contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
> Michael Shortt
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Julian: Precisely. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>
> You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition
> work, just saying....
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of marshall
> smith <[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
> To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
> You could add Pushbutton!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
> To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
> For all the
> categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
> add the ability to denote stock and
> modified. A simple checkbox for
> "Modified" in each area could allow owners
> to enter the car's original
> configuration as well as the current
> configuration, such as in the
> example of a car that has since been
> winged and flared and listed as a
> Gr4. Just a thought
> Year
> -->Model:
> --> pre-L
> --> L
> --> GTS
> --> Gr4
> --> Gr5
> --> GT5S
> --> etc.
> Cheers!
> Garth
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Thank you Julian, very well said.
Am 26.02.2016 um 17:25 schrieb Julian Kift:
Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate
his registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance
given that he's put years of hard work, long hours and money into
something that no one else wanted to take on for the longest time. He
also provides free access to that registry for the simple task of a
submission, a tactic which has allowed him to amass well over 4,000
entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their details?
I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that
'yours' will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other
registry members use only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to
say it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in terms.
The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby,
they don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it
all straightened out. We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever
owns the De Tomaso marque never chooses to get involved!
I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and
it hasn't seen that need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly
to break down divisions within the marque then you I recommend
you embrace what Chuck and others before him have achieved and not
be bickering over who owns what and is bigger and better. The Provamo
registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera information
anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.
Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that
'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post
was 3 months ago..... so I will continue to us my time how I see fit
to voice my opinions, even if I am the 1% minority,
when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.
Julian
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From: Michael Shortt [1]<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Julian Kift; [2]detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate
his with ours.
Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if
you choose to upload yours )
The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are
all dead,
Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
other registry members to use only.
Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone
would use their time
to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
better.
I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to
use, it probably won't be changed
for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out
would have to do it again, 2) the expense
of making those changes. I am not going to punish those who comply and
contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
Michael Shortt
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, [3]<[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Julian: Precisely. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition
work, just saying....
________________________________________
From: DeTomaso [4]<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of marshall
smith [5]<[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
You could add Pushbutton!
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso [6]<[4]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
To: "DeTomaso Mail List" [7]<[5]detomaso at poca.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
For all the
categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
add the ability to denote stock and
modified. A simple checkbox for
"Modified" in each area could allow owners
to enter the car's original
configuration as well as the current
configuration, such as in the
example of a car that has since been
winged and flared and listed as a
Gr4. Just a thought
Year
-->Model:
--> pre-L
--> L
--> GTS
--> Gr4
--> Gr5
--> GT5S
--> etc.
Cheers!
Garth
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