[DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 26 11:25:53 EST 2016 

Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate his registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance given that he's put years of hard work, long hours and money into something that no one else wanted to take on for the longest time. He also provides free access to that registry for the simple task of a submission, a tactic which has allowed him to amass well over 4,000 entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their details? I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that 'yours' will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other registry members use only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to say it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in terms.


The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby, they don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it all straightened out. We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever owns the De Tomaso marque never chooses to get involved!


I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and it hasn't seen that need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly to break down divisions within the marque then you I recommend you embrace what Chuck and others before him have achieved and not be bickering over who owns what and is bigger and better. The Provamo registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera information anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.


Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that 'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post was 3 months ago..... so I will continue to us my time how I see fit to voice my opinions, even if I am the 1% minority, when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.


Julian

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From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate his with ours.

Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if you choose to upload yours )

The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are all dead,

Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.

It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the other registry members to use only.

Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone would use their time

to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go better.

I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to use, it probably won't be changed

for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out would have to do it again, 2) the expense

of making those changes.  I am not going to punish those who comply and contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.





Michael Shortt





On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
Dear Julian:  Precisely.        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles





On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:

You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition work, just saying....

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Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

You could add Pushbutton!
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 Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
 To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
 Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM

    For all the
 categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
    add the ability to denote stock and
 modified.  A simple checkbox for
    "Modified" in each area could allow owners
 to enter the car's original
    configuration as well as the current
 configuration, such as in the
    example of a car that has since been
 winged and flared and listed as a
    Gr4. Just a thought
    Year
    -->Model:
        --> pre-L
        --> L
        --> GTS
        --> Gr4
        --> Gr5
        --> GT5S
        --> etc.
    Cheers!
    Garth

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   Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate
   his registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance
   given that he's put years of hard work, long hours and money into
   something that no one else wanted to take on for the longest time. He
   also provides free access to that registry for the simple task of a
   submission, a tactic which has allowed him to amass well over 4,000
   entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their details?
   I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that
   'yours' will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other
   registry members use only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to
   say it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in terms.

   The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby,
   they don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it
   all straightened out. We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever
   owns the De Tomaso marque never chooses to get involved!

   I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and
   it hasn't seen that need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly
   to break down divisions within the marque then you I recommend
   you embrace what Chuck and others before him have achieved and not
   be bickering over who owns what and is bigger and better. The Provamo
   registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera information
   anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.

   Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that
   'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post
   was 3 months ago..... so I will continue to us my time how I see fit
   to voice my opinions, even if I am the 1% minority,
   when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
   Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
   To: Charles Engles
   Cc: Julian Kift; detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

   Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate
   his with ours.
   Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if
   you choose to upload yours )
   The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are
   all dead,
   Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
   It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
   other registry members to use only.
   Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone
   would use their time
   to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
   better.
   I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to
   use, it probably won't be changed
   for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out
   would have to do it again, 2) the expense
   of making those changes.  I am not going to punish those who comply and
   contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
   Michael Shortt
   On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:

     Dear Julian:  Precisely.        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
     On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:

     You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition
     work, just saying....
     ________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of marshall
     smith <[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
     Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
     To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
     You could add Pushbutton!
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     On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
     wrote:
      Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry

    To: "DeTomaso Mail List" <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
    Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
       For all the
    categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
       add the ability to denote stock and
    modified.  A simple checkbox for
       "Modified" in each area could allow owners
    to enter the car's original
       configuration as well as the current
    configuration, such as in the
       example of a car that has since been
    winged and flared and listed as a
       Gr4. Just a thought
       Year
       -->Model:
           --> pre-L
           --> L
           --> GTS
           --> Gr4
           --> Gr5
           --> GT5S
           --> etc.
       Cheers!
       Garth
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