[DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com
Fri Feb 26 14:02:10 EST 2016
I agree that Julian has made very good points and quite eloquently. I also see the concern that POCA has about having an organization-based resource.
I wonder what happens in the future to that vast registry that Chuck has so kindly, generously and carefully built “after Chuck”. The Mangusta International Website is now down, and while (thankfully) Dana is still around, he has moved on to other priorities. Since there are so few of us with a Mangusta, the impact is relatively small, but it was a loss to our community as the resources and registry Dana created are now not available to us.
Should Chuck finally come to his senses and retire to a Hawaiian beach that has no internet, the DeTomaso community would suffer a greater loss. Especially should his hard work fade away. Perhaps there is another option that could be worked out with Chuck (and maybe you have already tried) that involves some agreement that POCA will aid and support the registry now with an understanding (formal agreement) that at some point in time Chuck passes the torch to POCA so that the knowledge isn’t lost.
Perhaps I’m being naive in thinking there’s a solution could work. I certainly don’t know what Chuck’s future plans are, but I have never heard him mention any intent to commercialize his registry archive which, I think we can all agree, does have great value to us and to prospective/future owners.
Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com
On Feb 26, 2016, at 1:38 PM, R.J <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> Thank you Julian, very well said.
>
> Am 26.02.2016 um 17:25 schrieb Julian Kift:
>
> Well I don't know the details of what Chuck was offered to integrate
> his registry with the new POCA one, but I am sympathetic to his stance
> given that he's put years of hard work, long hours and money into
> something that no one else wanted to take on for the longest time. He
> also provides free access to that registry for the simple task of a
> submission, a tactic which has allowed him to amass well over 4,000
> entries. POCA has what, less than 1,000 members to enter their details?
> I think it will be some time before you can categorically state that
> 'yours' will be better, and as you state it "will be for the other
> registry members use only" that predicates a POCA membership, thus to
> say it is not for monetary gain is a contradiction in terms.
>
> The Shelby American Automobile Club is licensed from Carrol Shelby,
> they don't theoretically own anything and it took law suits to get it
> all straightened out. We are lucky that Santiago De Tomaso or whoever
> owns the De Tomaso marque never chooses to get involved!
>
> I respectfully disagree that POCA needs to own the registry and
> it hasn't seen that need for the past 45 years. If your vision is truly
> to break down divisions within the marque then you I recommend
> you embrace what Chuck and others before him have achieved and not
> be bickering over who owns what and is bigger and better. The Provamo
> registry is currently THE foremost collection of Pantera information
> anywhere, period and should be recognized as such.
>
> Don't forget this is an open forum not POCA, if you want the forum that
> 'needed' to be owned by POCA it's on their website and the last post
> was 3 months ago..... so I will continue to us my time how I see fit
> to voice my opinions, even if I am the 1% minority,
> when everyone conforms it is no longer a democracy.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Michael Shortt [1]<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 6:56 AM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: Julian Kift; [2]detomaso at poca.com; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
> Chuck was asked ( 4 times ) and declined to work with us or integrate
> his with ours.
> Furthermore, ours will be much better, with far more information ( if
> you choose to upload yours )
> The Registry needs to be owned by POCA and carry on long after we are
> all dead,
> Shelby owns theirs, as does every marque club.
> It is not a business, it is not a money maker, and it will be for the
> other registry members to use only.
> Things are going to be changing for the better, perhaps if everyone
> would use their time
> to improve the process ( like offer items to include ), it would go
> better.
> I can tell you that once the final version comes out for members to
> use, it probably won't be changed
> for two reasons, 1) those whom have already submitted their car(s) out
> would have to do it again, 2) the expense
> of making those changes. I am not going to punish those who comply and
> contribute, nor am I going to be fiscally irresponsible.
> Michael Shortt
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:27 AM, [3]<[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Julian: Precisely. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>
> You could add a link to Provamo.com and save a lot of repetition
> work, just saying....
> ________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso [4]<[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of marshall
> smith [5]<[3]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 3:17 PM
> To: DeTomaso Mail List; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
> You could add Pushbutton!
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 2/25/16, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso [6]<[4]detomaso at poca.com>
> wrote:
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Coming POCA Registry
>
> To: "DeTomaso Mail List" [7]<[5]detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
> For all the
> categories, I'd start with a hierarchical organization and
> add the ability to denote stock and
> modified. A simple checkbox for
> "Modified" in each area could allow owners
> to enter the car's original
> configuration as well as the current
> configuration, such as in the
> example of a car that has since been
> winged and flared and listed as a
> Gr4. Just a thought
> Year
> -->Model:
> --> pre-L
> --> L
> --> GTS
> --> Gr4
> --> Gr5
> --> GT5S
> --> etc.
> Cheers!
> Garth
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