[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

Ed Mendez edducati at mac.com
Tue Aug 16 16:25:33 EDT 2016 

Hi all,
This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it is the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this arguing does not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you please take this discussion and address it on the poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested about 200 emails ago, maybe 300.

The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring, and fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and fun. Get my point? 

Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I know I'm going to get it anyway. :-)

Have a great Pantera day.

The POCA PR dude.

:-) <---- this means I'm happy.

Ps. Have fun. Now back to Facebook where it is actually fun.


On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Judith McCartney <jpoca2 at hotmail.com> wrote:

To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is
Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has
said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these
problems you allowing this to happen.
Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we
should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful
Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what
the members want.
Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in
writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than
should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people
names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just
remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the
job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better.
Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent,
Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the
Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the
members who request it by email.
so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward.
I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before.
Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000
To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; forestg at att.net; jjdetrich at gmail.com;
laurieferrari at aol.com
CC: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
From: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publica
tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like t
here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )

From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; "lau
rieferrari at aol.com" <laurieferrari at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

BUT....
Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want
paper!! I would say they are in the minority.
Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a
member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
after they arrive.
Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them,
but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that
just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes

JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Dawn Spacecraft Team

Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

Phone: (818) 393-6261

Cell: (818) 653-8213

Fax: (818) 393-3147

[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg at att.net>
Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg at att.net>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari at aol.com"
<[7]laurieferrari at aol.com>
Cc: "[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is
incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.
With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: [11]laurieferrari at aol.com
Cc: [12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
<[1][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
save $8,000
Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out
about
$10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to
keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
Jeff
6559
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   Hi all,

This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it is
the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this arguing doe
s not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you please take this di
scussion and address it on the poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested abou
t 200 emails ago, maybe 300.
The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring, and
 fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and fun. Get m
y point?
Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I know
 I'm going to get it anyway. :-)
Have a great Pantera day.
The POCA PR dude.
:-) <---- this means I'm happy.
Ps. Have fun. Now back to Facebook where it is actually fun.

   On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Judith McCartney <jpoca2 at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is
   Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has
   said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these
   problems you allowing this to happen.
   Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we
   should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful
   Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what
   the members want.
   Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in
   writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than
   should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people
   names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just
   remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the
   job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better.
   Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent,
   Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the
   Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the
   members who request it by email.
   so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward.
   I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before.
   Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
   Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000
   To: [1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; [2]forestg at att.net;
   [3]jjdetrich at gmail.com;
   [4]laurieferrari at aol.com
   CC: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
   From: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both /
   each publica
   tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it
   like t
   here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
   From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>; Jeff Detrich
   <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; "lau
   [7]rieferrari at aol.com" <laurieferrari at aol.com>
   Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
   BUT....
   Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want
   paper!! I would say they are in the minority.
   Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a
   member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
   Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
   after they arrive.
   Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them,
   but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that
   just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
   IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   Fax: (818) 393-3147
   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg at att.net>
   Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg at att.net>
   Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
   To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari at aol.com"
   <[7]laurieferrari at aol.com>
   Cc: "[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
   What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is
   incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.
   With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
   From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   To: [11]laurieferrari at aol.com
   Cc: [12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
   On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
   <[1][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   save $8,000
   Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out
   about
   $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to
   keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
   Jeff
   6559
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