[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
Effie Richards
erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
Tue Aug 16 17:26:33 EDT 2016
My apologies to you Ed and to Kurt especially for intruding into a space I
was not supposed to be. My bad.
I recall you telling me this before, Ed, many emails ago, yes, I did get on
the POCA page but couldn't find a discussion forum. So when the opportunity
presented itself, I replied to incoming comments.
Ed, no way I would shoot such a cute messenger!.....
Kurt, again my apologies to you. Continue with your car part subjects..
Thank you!
From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:26 PM
To: Judith McCartney
Cc: B Hower; Himes, Terry 397C; Jeff Detrich; laurie Basile; Effie Richards;
Kurt Byrnes; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
Hi all,
This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it
is the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this
arguing does not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you
please take this discussion and address it on the poca.com forum. I believe
this was suggested about 200 emails ago, maybe 300.
The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring,
and fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and
fun. Get my point?
Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I
know I'm going to get it anyway. :-)
Have a great Pantera day.
The POCA PR dude.
:-) <---- this means I'm happy.
Ps. Have fun. Now back to Facebook where it is actually fun.
On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Judith McCartney <jpoca2 at hotmail.com> wrote:
To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is
Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has
said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these
problems you allowing this to happen.
Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we
should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful
Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what
the members want.
Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in
writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than
should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people
names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just
remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the
job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better.
Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent,
Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the
Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the
members who request it by email.
so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward.
I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before.
Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000
To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; forestg at att.net; jjdetrich at gmail.com;
laurieferrari at aol.com
CC: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
From: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each
publica
tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like
t
here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>;
"lau
rieferrari at aol.com" <laurieferrari at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
BUT....
Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want
paper!! I would say they are in the minority.
Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a
member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
after they arrive.
Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them,
but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that
just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg at att.net>
Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg at att.net>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari at aol.com"
<[7]laurieferrari at aol.com>
Cc: "[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is
incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.
With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: [11]laurieferrari at aol.com
Cc: [12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
<[1][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
save $8,000
Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out
about
$10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to
keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
Jeff
6559
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My apologies to you Ed and to Kurt especially for intruding into a
space I was not supposed to be. My bad.
I recall you telling me this before, Ed, many emails ago, yes, I did
get on the POCA page but couldn't find a discussion forum. So when the
opportunity presented itself, I replied to incoming comments.
Ed, no way I would shoot such a cute messenger!.....
Kurt, again my apologies to you. Continue with your car part
subjects.... Thank you!
From: Ed Mendez [mailto:edducati at mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:26 PM
To: Judith McCartney
Cc: B Hower; Himes, Terry 397C; Jeff Detrich; laurie Basile; Effie
Richards; Kurt Byrnes; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
Hi all,
This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it is
the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this arguing doe
s not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you please take this di
scussion and address it on the poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested abou
t 200 emails ago, maybe 300.
The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring, and
fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and fun. Get m
y point?
Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I know
I'm going to get it anyway. :-)
Have a great Pantera day.
The POCA PR dude.
:-) <---- this means I'm happy.
Ps. Have fun. Now back to Facebook where it is actually fun.
On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Judith McCartney <[1]jpoca2 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is
Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has
said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these
problems you allowing this to happen.
Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we
should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful
Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what
the members want.
Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in
writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than
should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people
names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just
remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the
job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better.
Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent,
Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the
Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the
members who request it by email.
so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward.
I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before.
Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator.
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000
To: [2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov; [3]forestg at att.net;
[4]jjdetrich at gmail.com;
[5]laurieferrari at aol.com
CC: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
From: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both /
each publica
tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it
like t
here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[8]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Forest Goodhart <[9]forestg at att.net>; Jeff Detrich
<[10]jjdetrich at gmail.com>; "lau
[11]rieferrari at aol.com" <[12]laurieferrari at aol.com>
Cc: "[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
BUT....
Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want
paper!! I would say they are in the minority.
Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a
member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
after they arrive.
Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them,
but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that
just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1][15]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[2][16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Forest Goodhart <[3][17]forestg at att.net>
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Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
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Cc: "[8][22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[9][23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is
incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.
With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
From: Jeff Detrich <[10][24]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
To: [11][25]laurieferrari at aol.com
Cc: [12][26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
<[1][13][27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
save $8,000
Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out
about
$10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to
keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
Jeff
6559
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