[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

marshallgsmith marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
Sun Aug 14 11:13:34 EDT 2016 

    
....and rather than raising dues to supply printed copies of newsletters and magazines that we've gotten for decades which we're included with our dues, we can save money by supplying digital copies of same to those who request them.
Way too simple.
M


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Date: 8/14/16  7:42 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 

It's not an ALL or NONE debate.  Some want paper, some don't.  Simple.


"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
🇺🇸

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Reply-To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman at yahoo.com>>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM
To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the analysis on the printing/mailing cost.
2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've said that I hope I can find the reference :-)
3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years) and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club.
4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read that months issue. :-(

On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
I doubt that it is linear, though.  If it costs $24,000 to mail to
everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000.
I¹m not debating numbers.  I¹m only saying that the cost benefit analysis
needs to be done.
Personally, I want paper.  I look at a computer terminal all day.  I don¹t
want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news.  Besides, it
helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail.
On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
  I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be
  available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the
  newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000.
  Just my 2cents as JDR says.
  Jeff
  6559
  On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1]steve at snclocks.com<mailto:steve at snclocks.com>> wrote:
    I agree wholeheartedly!A  But, if those of us who want the paper
    lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with
    the shortt gone.
    No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away!
    Stephen Nelson
    -----Original Message-----
    From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
    On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)
    Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM
    To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net>>; Jeff Detrich
    <[4]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>; [5]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>
    Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
    BUTa|.
    Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still
    want paper!!A  A  I would say they are in the minority.
    Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect
    whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
    Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
    after they arrive.
    Same Same for the newsletter.A  Let the members who want paper get
    them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will
    collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
    IMHO.A  A Feel free to flame me.A  A ;-)
    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
    Terry W. Himes
    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
    Dawn Spacecraft Team
    Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
    Phone: (818) 393-6261
    Cell:A  A  A (818) 653-8213
    Fax:A  A  A (818) 393-3147
    [7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
    d--od-,
    From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.
    detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at server.
    detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart
    <[11]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net><mailto:[12]forestg at att.net>>
    Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net><mailto:[14]forest
    g at att.net<mailto:g at att.net>>>
    Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
    To: Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com><mailto:[16]jj
    detrich at gmail.com<mailto:detrich at gmail.com>>>, "[17]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[18]
    laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>" <[19]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[20]
    laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>>
    Cc: "[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist>.
    com<mailto:[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
    <[23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[24]detomaso at server.
    detomasolist.com>>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
    What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is
    incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.
    With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
    A  A  A  From: Jeff Detrich <[25]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com><mailto:[26]jj
    detrich at gmail.com<mailto:detrich at gmail.com>>>
    To: [27]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[28]laurieferrari at aol.com>
    Cc: [29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[30]detomaso at server.
    detomasolist.com>
    Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
    A  On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
    A  <[1][31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[32]detoma
    so at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so at server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote:
    A  A  save $8,000
    A  Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out
    about
    A  $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big
    deal to
    A  keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
    A  Jeff
    A  6559
    References
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   It's not an ALL or NONE debate.  Some want paper, some don't.  Simple.

   "A Purple Heart
-------------- next part --------------
   ....and rather than raising dues to supply printed copies of
   newsletters and magazines that we've gotten for decades which we're
   included with our dues, we can save money by supplying digital copies
   of same to those who request them.

   Way too simple.

   M

   Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone

   -------- Original message --------
   From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Date: 8/14/16 7:42 AM (GMT-08:00)
   To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>, Ken Green via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
   It's not an ALL or NONE debate.  Some want paper, some don't.  Simple.
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   Fax:     (818) 393-3147
   thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   From: DeTomaso
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
   r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   om>>
   Reply-To: Scott Couchman
   <scottcouchman at yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman at yahoo.com>>
   Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM
   To: Ken Green via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.c
   om>>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
   1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the
   analysis on the printing/mailing cost.
   2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures
   because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I
   will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last
   study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've
   said that I hope I can find the reference :-)
   3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I
   belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the
   National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years)
   and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to
   check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club.
   4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the
   monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those
   that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work
   for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and
   Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in
   full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the
   Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read
   that months issue. :-(
   On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman
   <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
   I doubt that it is linear, though.  If it costs $24,000 to mail to
   everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000.
   I^1m not debating numbers.  I^1m only saying that the cost benefit
   analysis
   needs to be done.
   Personally, I want paper.  I look at a computer terminal all day.  I
   don^1t
   want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news.  Besides, it
   helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail.
   On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
   r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
     I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not
   be
     available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the
     newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000.
     Just my 2cents as JDR says.
     Jeff
     6559
     On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen
   <[1]steve at snclocks.com<mailto:steve at snclocks.com>> wrote:
       I agree wholeheartedly!A  But, if those of us who want the paper
       lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with
       the shortt gone.
       No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away!
       Stephen Nelson
       -----Original Message-----
       From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
       On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)
       Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM
       To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net>>;
   Jeff Detrich
       <[4]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>;
   [5]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>
       Cc:
   [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist
   .com>
       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
       BUTa|.
       Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still
       want paper!!A  A  I would say they are in the minority.
       Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect
       whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
       Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
       after they arrive.
       Same Same for the newsletter.A  Let the members who want paper get
       them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will
       collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
       IMHO.A  A Feel free to flame me.A  A ;-)
       "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A
       stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
       Terry W. Himes
       JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
       Dawn Spacecraft Team
       Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
       Phone: (818) 393-6261
       Cell:A  A  A (818) 653-8213
       Fax:A  A  A (818) 393-3147

   [7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[8]thimes at jpl
   .nasa.gov>
       d--od-,
       From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.
       detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at server.
       detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart

   <[11]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net><mailto:[12]forestg at att.net
   >>
       Reply-To: Forest Goodhart
   <[13]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net><mailto:[14]forest
       g at att.net<mailto:g at att.net>>>
       Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
       To: Jeff Detrich
   <[15]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com><mailto:[16]jj
       detrich at gmail.com<mailto:detrich at gmail.com>>>,
   "[17]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[18]
       laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>"
   <[19]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[20]
       laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>>
       Cc:
   "[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist>.
       com<mailto:[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"

   <[23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasoli
   st.com><mailto:[24]detomaso at server.
       detomasolist.com>>
       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
       What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is
       incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the
   profiles.
       With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
       A  A  A  From: Jeff Detrich
   <[25]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com><mailto:[26]jj
       detrich at gmail.com<mailto:detrich at gmail.com>>>
       To:
   [27]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[28]laur
   ieferrari at aol.com>
       Cc:
   [29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis
   t.com><mailto:[30]detomaso at server.
       detomasolist.com>
       Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
       A  On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
       A
   <[1][31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomas
   olist.com><mailto:[32]detoma
       so at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so at server.detomasolist.com>>>
   wrote:
       A  A  save $8,000
       A  Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works
   out
       about
       A  $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big
       deal to
       A  keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
       A  Jeff
       A  6559
       References
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