[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Sun Aug 14 10:42:39 EDT 2016


It's not an ALL or NONE debate.  Some want paper, some don't.  Simple.


"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
🇺🇸

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Reply-To: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com<mailto:scottcouchman at yahoo.com>>
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM
To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the analysis on the printing/mailing cost.
2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've said that I hope I can find the reference :-)
3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years) and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club.
4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read that months issue. :-(

On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
I doubt that it is linear, though.  If it costs $24,000 to mail to
everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000.
I¹m not debating numbers.  I¹m only saying that the cost benefit analysis
needs to be done.
Personally, I want paper.  I look at a computer terminal all day.  I don¹t
want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news.  Besides, it
helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail.
On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
  I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not be
  available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the
  newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000.
  Just my 2cents as JDR says.
  Jeff
  6559
  On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1]steve at snclocks.com<mailto:steve at snclocks.com>> wrote:
    I agree wholeheartedly!A  But, if those of us who want the paper
    lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with
    the shortt gone.
    No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away!
    Stephen Nelson
    -----Original Message-----
    From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
    On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)
    Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM
    To: Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net>>; Jeff Detrich
    <[4]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>; [5]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>
    Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
    BUTa|.
    Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still
    want paper!!A  A  I would say they are in the minority.
    Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect
    whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.
    Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day
    after they arrive.
    Same Same for the newsletter.A  Let the members who want paper get
    them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will
    collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..
    IMHO.A  A Feel free to flame me.A  A ;-)
    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
    Terry W. Himes
    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
    Dawn Spacecraft Team
    Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
    Phone: (818) 393-6261
    Cell:A  A  A (818) 653-8213
    Fax:A  A  A (818) 393-3147
    [7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
    d--od-,
    From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.
    detomasolist.com<mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at server.
    detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart
    <[11]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net><mailto:[12]forestg at att.net>>
    Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[13]forestg at att.net<mailto:forestg at att.net><mailto:[14]forest
    g at att.net<mailto:g at att.net>>>
    Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM
    To: Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com><mailto:[16]jj
    detrich at gmail.com<mailto:detrich at gmail.com>>>, "[17]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[18]
    laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>" <[19]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[20]
    laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com>>>
    Cc: "[21]detomaso at server.detomasolist<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist>.
    com<mailto:[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"
    <[23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[24]detomaso at server.
    detomasolist.com>>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
    What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is
    incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles.
    With a true comparison the difference is pennies.
    A  A  A  From: Jeff Detrich <[25]jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com><mailto:[26]jj
    detrich at gmail.com<mailto:detrich at gmail.com>>>
    To: [27]laurieferrari at aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari at aol.com><mailto:[28]laurieferrari at aol.com>
    Cc: [29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[30]detomaso at server.
    detomasolist.com>
    Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17
    A  On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
    A  <[1][31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:[32]detoma
    so at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:so at server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote:
    A  A  save $8,000
    A  Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out
    about
    A  $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big
    deal to
    A  keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.
    A  Jeff
    A  6559
    References
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   It's not an ALL or NONE debate.  Some want paper, some don't.  Simple.

   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Reply-To: Scott Couchman <[4]scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
   Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:31 PM
   To: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

   1) I recommend we ask and wait for the POCA Treasurer to provide the
   analysis on the printing/mailing cost.
   2) Repeated studies have shown digital magazines have been failures
   because most people prefer printed magazines over on-line editions. I
   will have to google it again to find the references. I think the last
   study I saw said 6% prefer to read magazines on-line. ( now that I've
   said that I hope I can find the reference :-)
   3) Without printed content, $75 is way more than any other car club I
   belong to. Besides POCA, my next most expensive car club is the
   National Woodie Club and they're $35 ($32 if you join for two years)
   and I get a full color glossy monthly magazine mailed to me! I need to
   check and see how many members are in the Woodie Club.
   4) My Mustang club prints the monthly newsletter and brings them to the
   monthly meeting to hand out. They then publish it on-line for those
   that don't attend the monthly meeting. I understand that doesn't work
   for everyone, but I for one would be happy to pickup my Profiles and
   Newsletter each month at our Chapter meeting. Even better if it was in
   full color. I can tell you I never go on-line to read or print the
   Mustang Club newsletter. If I don't attend the meeting I don't read
   that months issue. :-(

   On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Will Kooiman <[6]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   wrote:

   I doubt that it is linear, though.  If it costs $24,000 to mail to

   everyone, it might be $20,000 to mail to 1/2, not $12,000.

   I^1m not debating numbers.  I^1m only saying that the cost benefit
   analysis

   needs to be done.

   Personally, I want paper.  I look at a computer terminal all day.  I
   don^1t

   want to do it again in the evening to read Pantera news.  Besides, it

   helps improve my evening when I get home to a car magazine in the mail.

   On 8/13/16, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jeff Detrich"

   <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of

   [8]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

     I don't think anyone ever has suggested that paper versions will not
   be

     available to those that want them. But if we can convert 1/2 of the

     newsletters to paper that would be upwardsof $12,000.

     Just my 2cents as JDR says.

     Jeff

     6559

     On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Stephen <[1][9]steve at snclocks.com>
   wrote:

       I agree wholeheartedly!A  But, if those of us who want the paper

       lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with

       the shortt gone.

       No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away!

       Stephen Nelson

       -----Original Message-----

       From: DeTomaso
   [[10]mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]

       On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C)

       Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM

       To: Forest Goodhart <[3][11]forestg at att.net>; Jeff Detrich

       <[4][12]jjdetrich at gmail.com>; [5][13]laurieferrari at aol.com

       Cc: [6][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

       BUTa|.

       Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still

       want paper!!A  A  I would say they are in the minority.

       Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect

       whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies.

       Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day

       after they arrive.

       Same Same for the newsletter.A  Let the members who want paper get

       them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will

       collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out..

       IMHO.A  A Feel free to flame me.A  A ;-)

       "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,A

       stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

       Terry W. Himes

       JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

       Dawn Spacecraft Team

       Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

       Phone: (818) 393-6261

       Cell:A  A  A (818) 653-8213

       Fax:A  A  A (818) 393-3147

       [7][15]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[16]mailto:[8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>

       d--od-,

       From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.

       detomasolist.com<[17]mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at server.

       detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart

       <[11][18]forestg at att.net<[19]mailto:[12]forestg at att.net>>

       Reply-To: Forest Goodhart
   <[13][20]forestg at att.net<[21]mailto:[14]forest

       [22]g at att.net>>

       Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM

       To: Jeff Detrich <[15][23]jjdetrich at gmail.com<[24]mailto:[16]jj

       [25]detrich at gmail.com>>,
   "[17][26]laurieferrari at aol.com<[27]mailto:[18]

       [28]laurieferrari at aol.com>"
   <[19][29]laurieferrari at aol.com<[30]mailto:[20]

       [31]laurieferrari at aol.com>>

       Cc: "[21][32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.

       com<[33]mailto:[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>"

       <[23][34]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[35]mailto:[24]detomaso at s
   erver.

       detomasolist.com>>

       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

       What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is

       incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the
   profiles.

       With a true comparison the difference is pennies.

       A  A  A  From: Jeff Detrich
   <[25][36]jjdetrich at gmail.com<[37]mailto:[26]jj

       [38]detrich at gmail.com>>

       To:
   [27][39]laurieferrari at aol.com<[40]mailto:[28]laurieferrari at aol.com>

       Cc:
   [29][41]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:[30]detomaso at server
   .

       detomasolist.com>

       Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM

       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17

       A  On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso

       A  <[1][31][43]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[44]mailto:[32]deto
   ma

       [45]so at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

       A  A  save $8,000

       A  Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works
   out

       about

       A  $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big

       deal to

       A  keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now.

       A  Jeff

       A  6559

       References

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