[DeTomaso] Future of the email list

Wed Apr 20 12:34:33 EDT 2016

All,

Keep in mind the reasons people love email.  People love email because it comes to THEM.  It takes little to no
effort.   People sit on their emails systems continuously, if not on their desktop, then on their mobile devices.
With a forum, people have to go to it.  They have to actually open a browser, go to the website, login, find the
forum, yadda yadda yadda.  It takes effort.

At JPL, I've been trying to wean missions OFF of emails for years.  During 2008 Phoenix landing I had ~40,000
emails just form that one mission.  But the end of that year I could delete about 15,000 and had to archive the
rest (CYA).

Today (on MSL) we use "Slack."   https://slack.com/    But mostly for team collaboration.  But, maybe it
could be viewed as a good alternative.  It sends out emails, but uses "Channels" for topics of discussions.  Channels
can be both private (user or team) or public.

Check it out.  Worth a look.

Terry

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
🇺🇸

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of Kurt Byrnes <kdb at kbyrnes.com<mailto:kdb at kbyrnes.com>>
Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:59 AM
To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list

Jeff,

I've talked with Michael and we plan on transferring the historical
data.  No logistics on how that will happen have been worked out to date
but I'm confident we'll make it happen.

I would like to restate that although I'm willing to keep the list
going, we, as a group, should really give the new forum a chance.

Kurt

On 4/20/2016 11:30 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
Kurt,

If you do agree to take it over - and I hope you don't have to because
POCA sees the light and keeps it for itself - it is very important
that it comes with all the historical archives of past postings. There
is too much value in those old posts and it would make the email list
much less desirable. Michael has said that POCA will be saving those
for use on the new website but I sure hope he intends on also passing
them along to the new operator of the email list.

Jeff

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Byrnes <kdb at kbyrnes.com<mailto:kdb at kbyrnes.com>
<mailto:kdb at kbyrnes.com>> wrote:

     Although I rarely post, I've been reading this list for many
     years. I find the format convenient and easy to manage.  Although
     there are limitations with attachments and such, I'd hate to see
     it disappear.  I plan on renewing my POCA membership and reading
     the new forums and strongly urge all to do so as well.

     However, I'd love to give back to the community so I've offered to
     keep it going if there's enough interest.

     So, is there interest?  If so, we'll need a new domain name to
     host it.   Suggestions?

     Kurt

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   All,
   Keep in mind the reasons people love email.  People love email because
   it comes to THEM.  It takes little to no
   effort.   People sit on their emails systems continuously, if not on
   their desktop, then on their mobile devices.
   With a forum, people have to go to it.  They have to actually open a
   browser, go to the website, login, find the
   forum, yadda yadda yadda.  It takes effort.
   At JPL, I've been trying to wean missions OFF of emails for years.
   During 2008 Phoenix landing I had ~40,000
   emails just form that one mission.  But the end of that year I could
   delete about 15,000 and had to archive the
   rest (CYA).
   Today (on MSL) we use "Slack."   [1]https://slack.com/    But mostly
   for team collaboration.  But, maybe it
   could be viewed as a good alternative.  It sends out emails, but uses
   "Channels" for topics of discussions.  Channels
   can be both private (user or team) or public.
   Check it out.  Worth a look.
   Terry

   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   InSight Sequence Team Lead

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

   [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Kurt Byrnes
   <[4]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
   Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:59 AM
   To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   Cc: "[6]detomaso at poca.com" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list

   Jeff,
   I've talked with Michael and we plan on transferring the historical
   data.  No logistics on how that will happen have been worked out to
   date
   but I'm confident we'll make it happen.
   I would like to restate that although I'm willing to keep the list
   going, we, as a group, should really give the new forum a chance.
   Kurt
   On 4/20/2016 11:30 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:

   Kurt,

   If you do agree to take it over - and I hope you don't have to because

   POCA sees the light and keeps it for itself - it is very important

   that it comes with all the historical archives of past postings. There

   is too much value in those old posts and it would make the email list

   much less desirable. Michael has said that POCA will be saving those

   for use on the new website but I sure hope he intends on also passing

   them along to the new operator of the email list.

   Jeff

   On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Byrnes <[8]kdb at kbyrnes.com

   <[9]mailto:kdb at kbyrnes.com>> wrote:

        Although I rarely post, I've been reading this list for many

        years. I find the format convenient and easy to manage.  Although

        there are limitations with attachments and such, I'd hate to see

        it disappear.  I plan on renewing my POCA membership and reading

        the new forums and strongly urge all to do so as well.

        However, I'd love to give back to the community so I've offered to

        keep it going if there's enough interest.

        So, is there interest?  If so, we'll need a new domain name to

        host it.   Suggestions?

        Kurt

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