[DeTomaso] Future of the email list
Konrad Szwab
kszwab at gmail.com
Wed Apr 20 12:54:31 EDT 2016
I understand why the old email system will die, I am a computer engineer.
However, it does not resolve the usual shit being pushed down our throats
by the newer system in the name of "security".
Here is the example of a similar process: I get my electric bill in the
mail, have been doing that for many years. They keep pushing for electronic
billing so they save money and for the "convenience of the client". The
moment you do this and your bill is due: you get an email that your bill is
ready (no amount of link to fucking pay it), you have to logon to their
site (have to look up password in file, of course), then oops, password
expired, you need a new one ("security"), oh, it needs to be 300
characters, with a lower, upper, number and special character, then oops,
the work FuckYou is not allowed, then after that, oh, server down, update,
now we also have a Capcha for security.
This is why I have these fucking ideas that always become a nuisance. I
want to work and have useful information about my car, not jack around with
poorly functioning software and "creative" ideas. I do that enough all day
long.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> All,
> Keep in mind the reasons people love email. People love email because
> it comes to THEM. It takes little to no
> effort. People sit on their emails systems continuously, if not on
> their desktop, then on their mobile devices.
> With a forum, people have to go to it. They have to actually open a
> browser, go to the website, login, find the
> forum, yadda yadda yadda. It takes effort.
> At JPL, I've been trying to wean missions OFF of emails for years.
> During 2008 Phoenix landing I had ~40,000
> emails just form that one mission. But the end of that year I could
> delete about 15,000 and had to archive the
> rest (CYA).
> Today (on MSL) we use "Slack." [1]https://slack.com/ But mostly
> for team collaboration. But, maybe it
> could be viewed as a good alternative. It sends out emails, but uses
> "Channels" for topics of discussions. Channels
> can be both private (user or team) or public.
> Check it out. Worth a look.
> Terry
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
>
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
>
> [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Kurt Byrnes
> <[4]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:59 AM
> To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Cc: "[6]detomaso at poca.com" <[7]detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
>
> Jeff,
> I've talked with Michael and we plan on transferring the historical
> data. No logistics on how that will happen have been worked out to
> date
> but I'm confident we'll make it happen.
> I would like to restate that although I'm willing to keep the list
> going, we, as a group, should really give the new forum a chance.
> Kurt
> On 4/20/2016 11:30 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> If you do agree to take it over - and I hope you don't have to because
>
> POCA sees the light and keeps it for itself - it is very important
>
> that it comes with all the historical archives of past postings. There
>
> is too much value in those old posts and it would make the email list
>
> much less desirable. Michael has said that POCA will be saving those
>
> for use on the new website but I sure hope he intends on also passing
>
> them along to the new operator of the email list.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Byrnes <[8]kdb at kbyrnes.com
>
> <[9]mailto:kdb at kbyrnes.com>> wrote:
>
> Although I rarely post, I've been reading this list for many
>
> years. I find the format convenient and easy to manage. Although
>
> there are limitations with attachments and such, I'd hate to see
>
> it disappear. I plan on renewing my POCA membership and reading
>
> the new forums and strongly urge all to do so as well.
>
> However, I'd love to give back to the community so I've offered to
>
> keep it going if there's enough interest.
>
> So, is there interest? If so, we'll need a new domain name to
>
> host it. Suggestions?
>
> Kurt
>
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I understand why the old email system will die, I am a computer
engineer. However, it does not resolve the usual shit being pushed down
our throats by the newer system in the name of "security".
Here is the example of a similar process: I get my electric bill in the
mail, have been doing that for many years. They keep pushing for
electronic billing so they save money and for the "convenience of the
client". The moment you do this and your bill is due: you get an email
that your bill is ready (no amount of link to fucking pay it), you have
to logon to their site (have to look up password in file, of course),
then oops, password expired, you need a new one ("security"), oh, it
needs to be 300 characters, with a lower, upper, number and special
character, then oops, the work FuckYou is not allowed, then after that,
oh, server down, update, now we also have a Capcha for security.
This is why I have these fucking ideas that always become a nuisance. I
want to work and have useful information about my car, not jack around
with poorly functioning software and "creative" ideas. I do that enough
all day long.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
A A All,
A A Keep in mind the reasons people love email.A People love email
because
A A it comes to THEM.A It takes little to no
A A effort.A A People sit on their emails systems continuously, if
not on
A A their desktop, then on their mobile devices.
A A With a forum, people have to go to it.A They have to actually
open a
A A browser, go to the website, login, find the
A A forum, yadda yadda yadda.A It takes effort.
A A At JPL, I've been trying to wean missions OFF of emails for
years.
A A During 2008 Phoenix landing I had ~40,000
A A emails just form that one mission.A But the end of that year I
could
A A delete about 15,000 and had to archive the
A A rest (CYA).
A A Today (on MSL) we use "Slack."A A [1][2]https://slack.com/A
A But mostly
A A for team collaboration.A But, maybe it
A A could be viewed as a good alternative.A It sends out emails,
but uses
A A "Channels" for topics of discussions.A Channels
A A can be both private (user or team) or public.
A A Check it out.A Worth a look.
A A Terry
A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
A A Terry W. Himes
A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
A A InSight Sequence Team Lead
A A Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
A A Phone: [3](818) 393-6261
A A Cell:A A A [4](818) 653-8213
A A Fax:A A A [5](818) 393-3147
A A [2][6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A From: DeTomaso <[3][7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
Kurt Byrnes
A A <[4][8]kdb at kbyrnes.com>
A A Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 8:59 AM
A A To: Jeff Detrich <[5][9]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
A A Cc: "[6][10]detomaso at poca.com" <[7][11]detomaso at poca.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Future of the email list
A A Jeff,
A A I've talked with Michael and we plan on transferring the
historical
A A data.A No logistics on how that will happen have been worked
out to
A A date
A A but I'm confident we'll make it happen.
A A I would like to restate that although I'm willing to keep the
list
A A going, we, as a group, should really give the new forum a
chance.
A A Kurt
A A On 4/20/2016 11:30 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
A A Kurt,
A A If you do agree to take it over - and I hope you don't have to
because
A A POCA sees the light and keeps it for itself - it is very
important
A A that it comes with all the historical archives of past
postings. There
A A is too much value in those old posts and it would make the
email list
A A much less desirable. Michael has said that POCA will be saving
those
A A for use on the new website but I sure hope he intends on also
passing
A A them along to the new operator of the email list.
A A Jeff
A A On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Kurt Byrnes
<[8][12]kdb at kbyrnes.com
A A <[9]mailto:[13]kdb at kbyrnes.com>> wrote:
A A A A Although I rarely post, I've been reading this list for
many
A A A A years. I find the format convenient and easy to
manage.A Although
A A A A there are limitations with attachments and such, I'd
hate to see
A A A A it disappear.A I plan on renewing my POCA membership
and reading
A A A A the new forums and strongly urge all to do so as well.
A A A A However, I'd love to give back to the community so I've
offered to
A A A A keep it going if there's enough interest.
A A A A So, is there interest?A If so, we'll need a new domain
name to
A A A A host it.A A Suggestions?
A A A A Kurt
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