[DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork

[Larry - Ohio Time]

Oh I had to pay for it. The car shipped LA on Tuesday so I should have it
next week. Ohio DMV said they see all kinds of things and I should just
bring the car and paperwork to them. 

Next weeks plan....

Thanks guys

Larry (all for no rust) - Cleveland



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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork

I am not saying that I've had sellers release property without being
paid. I have done out-of-state purchases with private parties with
deposit paid up front and then balance paid when MY shipper verifies
that the vehicle is in the condition I expect it to be in.  The
shipper I hire has final payment in hand made out to the seller.  I
did this with a motorcycle purchase in FL and the seller still managed
to burn me for about 1,000.00 since my shipper did not detect certain
missing/damaged parts.  (the guy was selling 2 identical bikes, one of
them a parts bike in boxes he claimed was complete, but it turned out
to be nowhere near complete.) With an out-of-state dealer demanding
paperwork nonsense like this, I haven't a clue.  Sounds like he's got
Larry over a barrel because the title isn't clear.  My advice would be
try to get your money back, Larry.  Failing that, jump through the
hoops and hope for the best. Out-of-state transactions are always VERY
risky.  There are lots of ways that a buyer can get burned.  If this
dealer doesn't clear the title first without involving Larry, he is a
crook.
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From: audionut 
To: Larry - Ohio Time ; detomaso 
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 02:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
	Hey Larry-- Audio nut are you saying you have had sellers allow you
to ship a car out of state to you before you paid them?  

	If so they are more trusting than a reasonable person would be

	Usually a car doesn't move until the seller has had funds wired to
his account  
	    Do you have possession of the car and a bill of sale?  If yes,
read on.    (If not, you are in a pickle and hopefully you haven't
paid any money).    Never mind DMV CA or NV or the used car dealer. 
As long as you have    the car in Ohio, you can ignore them.  It is up
to the seller to report    the vehicle as sold and you have no
obligation to a former state DMV.    What matters is what Ohio
requires to plate it.   As long as you have a    bill of sale you
should be fine.  Check with your local DMV and ask    them how you
title a car you bought "bill of sale only".    In CA I have purchased
cars, motorcycles with screwed-up paperwork from    other states or no
official paperwork at all.  All I do is toss the    out-of-state
paperwork and take a handwritten bill of sale to the DMV,    fill out
their "bill of sale" form and pay their fees.  Never had a    problem
getting a plate and sticker right then and there.  Sometimes    they
need to look at the VIN, sometimes they don't.    This always works
because documentation carried by owners is commonly    lost or
destroyed.  Sometimes a seller will slack-off and not report a   
vehicle being sold either.  All DMV's have a procedure for dealing
with    this.  A bill of sale between you and the seller indicating
VIN #    should be all you need.    What any DMV is really looking out
for is that the vehicle has not been    reported stolen and it would
appear that you are in the clear.    Sent using Hushmail    On
September 17, 2015 at 9:32 AM, "Larry - Ohio Time"     wrote:      Ok
guys I pulled the trigger and bought a Jaguar from California and     
paid      for it. Today I get a packet of paperwork from the used car
dealer.      Boy this is not how we do it in the grand old state of
Ohio. Look at this      mess.    1. I get a Nevada title for the car
in the name of the lady who      traded    it to a Honda dealer in Las
Vegas. The back of the title is signed      over to      California
Auto Auction. Nothing is notarized.      2. I get a small form from
Cal DMV "vehicle auction wholesale report      of      sale". It shows
the auction name and the used car dealer's name as      buyer.     
Nothing is notarized.      3. I get a form from Cal DMV,
"vehicle/vessel transfer and      reassignment      form". Looks to be
a bill of sale from the auction company to the      used car     
dealer.      4. I get a form from Cal DMV, "vehicle/vessel transfer
and      reassignment      form" Looks to be a bill of sale from the
used car dealer to me. It      is      asking for my signature and
returned to them. It also asks for my      signature      to appoint
the used car dealer to be my power of attorney to      complete     
necessary paperwork and transfer ownership. Hmmmm.      5. I get a
form "contract cancellation option agreement" looking for      my     
signature to decline it.      Is any of this normal? We call this
skipping a title here and it is      not a      legal thing to do. Do
I just sign all this before the car gets here?      Did he      really
ship it yet?      In Ohio a dealer buys a car. He gets a title that
has the back      filled in      with his name, miles and a notarized
signature of the seller. The      dealer      transfers the tile into
there name and get a new title. When it is      sold the      same
thing happens.simple.      Larry (lost) - Cleveland     

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