[DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
B Hower
b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
Sat Sep 19 07:41:22 EDT 2015
I purchased a Ranchero from CA with what the seller called a clear title. It turned out to be a CA lean-sale title. I had vehicle and paper work, which Kansas would not accept. I tried for a while to get job done, with no luck. I sent paper to my sister-in-law who lives in CA, while I still had the Ranchero with me. She took the paper work into CA DMV.....paid sales tax, got it registered in her name and got a license plate. She then mailed plate and new CA title to me. I then later took the new title to KS DMV, paid the fee for registration and paid no sales tax to KS because she was family. I then had a Kansas title in my name. Big hassle and gave me some sleepless nights.
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
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To: audionut at hushmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
I am not familiar with shippers evaluating items as to their
representation.. The buyer has to arrange for local inspection and
evaluation and the shipper only moves it without damage
In Ca dealers do not own vehicles in the sense that they pay purchase
tax on them and register them in their name. Ca extracts a 9% or so tax
every time a car officially changes ownership and dealers do not have
to do that
I think the paperwork is in order
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From: audionut <audionut at hushmail.com>
To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2015 04:39 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
I am not saying that I've had sellers release property without being
paid.
I have done out-of-state purchases with private parties with deposit
paid up front and then balance paid when MY shipper verifies that the
vehicle is in the condition I expect it to be in. The shipper I hire
has final payment in hand made out to the seller. I did this with a
motorcycle purchase in FL and the seller still managed to burn me for
about 1,000.00 since my shipper did not detect certain missing/damaged
parts. (the guy was selling 2 identical bikes, one of them a parts
bike in boxes he claimed was complete, but it turned out to be nowhere
near complete.)
With an out-of-state dealer demanding paperwork nonsense like this, I
haven't a clue. Sounds like he's got Larry over a barrel because the
title isn't clear. My advice would be try to get your money back,
Larry. Failing that, jump through the hoops and hope for the best.
Out-of-state transactions are always VERY risky. There are lots of
ways that a buyer can get burned. If this dealer doesn't clear the
title first without involving Larry, he is a crook.
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On September 18, 2015 at 2:43 PM, "Pantdino" <[1]pantdino at aol.com>
wrote:
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To: Larry - Ohio Time <[3]larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; detomaso
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Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 02:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
Hey Larry--
Audio nut are you saying you have had sellers allow you to ship a car out of sta
te to you before you paid them?
If so they are more trusting than a reasonable person would be
Usually a car doesn't move until the seller has had funds wired to his account
Do you have possession of the car and a bill of sale? If
yes, read on.
(If not, you are in a pickle and hopefully you haven't paid
any money).
Never mind DMV CA or NV or the used car dealer. As long
as you have
the car in Ohio, you can ignore them. It is up to the seller to
report
the vehicle as sold and you have no obligation to a former state
DMV.
What matters is what Ohio requires to plate it. As long as you have
a
bill of sale you should be fine. Check with your local DMV and ask
them how you title a car you bought "bill of sale only".
In CA I have
purchased cars, motorcycles with screwed-up paperwork from
other states or
no official paperwork at all. All I do is toss the
out-of-state paperwork
and take a handwritten bill of sale to the DMV,
fill out their "bill of
sale" form and pay their fees. Never had a
problem getting a plate and
sticker right then and there. Sometimes
they need to look at the VIN,
sometimes they don't.
This always works because documentation carried by
owners is commonly
lost or destroyed. Sometimes a seller will slack-off and
not report a
vehicle being sold either. All DMV's have a procedure for
dealing with
this. A bill of sale between you and the seller indicating VIN
#
should be all you need.
What any DMV is really looking out for is
that the vehicle has not been
reported stolen and it would appear that you
are in the clear.
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On September 17, 2015 at 9:32
AM, "Larry - Ohio Time"
<Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
Ok guys I
pulled the trigger and bought a Jaguar from California and
paid
for
it. Today I get a packet of paperwork from the used car dealer.
Boy this
is not how we do it in the grand old state of Ohio. Look at this
mess.
1. I get a Nevada title for the car in the name of the lady who
traded
it to a Honda dealer in Las Vegas. The back of the title is signed
over
to
California Auto Auction. Nothing is notarized.
2. I get a small
form from Cal DMV "vehicle auction wholesale report
of
sale". It
shows the auction name and the used car dealer's name as
buyer.
Nothing is notarized.
3. I get a form from Cal DMV, "vehicle/vessel
transfer and
reassignment
form". Looks to be a bill of sale from the
auction company to the
used car
dealer.
4. I get a form from
Cal DMV, "vehicle/vessel transfer and
reassignment
form" Looks to be
a bill of sale from the used car dealer to me. It
is
asking for my
signature and returned to them. It also asks for my
signature
to
appoint the used car dealer to be my power of attorney to
complete
necessary paperwork and transfer ownership. Hmmmm.
5. I get a form
"contract cancellation option agreement" looking for
my
signature to
decline it.
Is any of this normal? We call this skipping a title here and
it is
not a
legal thing to do. Do I just sign all this before the
car gets here?
Did he
really ship it yet?
In Ohio a dealer
buys a car. He gets a title that has the back
filled in
with his
name, miles and a notarized signature of the seller. The
dealer
transfers the tile into there name and get a new title. When it is
sold
the
same thing happens.simple.
Larry (lost) - Cleveland
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I purchased a Ranchero from CA with what the seller called a clear
title. It turned out to be a CA lean-sale title. I had vehicle and
paper work, which Kansas would not accept. I tried for a while to get
job done, with no luck. I sent paper to my sister-in-law who lives in
CA, while I still had the Ranchero with me. She took the paper work
into CA DMV.....paid sales tax, got it registered in her name and got a
license plate. She then mailed plate and new CA title to me. I then
later took the new title to KS DMV, paid the fee for registration and
paid no sales tax to KS because she was family. I then had a Kansas
title in my name. Big hassle and gave me some sleepless nights.
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
! )
__________________________________________________________________
From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
To: audionut at hushmail.com; detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
I am not familiar with shippers evaluating items as to their
representation.. The buyer has to arrange for local inspection and
evaluation and the shipper only moves it without damage
In Ca dealers do not own vehicles in the sense that they pay purchase
tax on them and register them in their name. Ca extracts a 9% or so
tax
every time a car officially changes ownership and dealers do not have
to do that
I think the paperwork is in order
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From: audionut <[1]audionut at hushmail.com>
To: Pantdino <[2]pantdino at aol.com>; detomaso <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2015 04:39 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
I am not saying that I've had sellers release property without being
paid.
I have done out-of-state purchases with private parties with deposit
paid up front and then balance paid when MY shipper verifies that the
vehicle is in the condition I expect it to be in. The shipper I hire
has final payment in hand made out to the seller. I did this with a
motorcycle purchase in FL and the seller still managed to burn me for
about 1,000.00 since my shipper did not detect certain
missing/damaged
parts. (the guy was selling 2 identical bikes, one of them a parts
bike in boxes he claimed was complete, but it turned out to be
nowhere
near complete.)
With an out-of-state dealer demanding paperwork nonsense like this, I
haven't a clue. Sounds like he's got Larry over a barrel because the
title isn't clear. My advice would be try to get your money back,
Larry. Failing that, jump through the hoops and hope for the best.
Out-of-state transactions are always VERY risky. There are lots of
ways that a buyer can get burned. If this dealer doesn't clear the
title first without involving Larry, he is a crook.
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On September 18, 2015 at 2:43 PM, "Pantdino" <[1][4]pantdino at aol.com>
wrote:
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From: audionut <[2][5]audionut at hushmail.com>
To: Larry - Ohio Time <[3][6]larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; detomaso
<[4][7]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 02:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
Hey Larry--
Audio nut are you saying you have had sellers allow you to ship a car
out of sta
te to you before you paid them?
If so they are more trusting than a reasonable person would be
Usually a car doesn't move until the seller has had funds wired to his
account
Do you have possession of the car and a bill of sale? If
yes, read on.
(If not, you are in a pickle and hopefully you haven't paid
any money).
Never mind DMV CA or NV or the used car dealer. As long
as you have
the car in Ohio, you can ignore them. It is up to the seller to
report
the vehicle as sold and you have no obligation to a former state
DMV.
What matters is what Ohio requires to plate it. As long as you have
a
bill of sale you should be fine. Check with your local DMV and ask
them how you title a car you bought "bill of sale only".
In CA I have
purchased cars, motorcycles with screwed-up paperwork from
other states or
no official paperwork at all. All I do is toss the
out-of-state paperwork
and take a handwritten bill of sale to the DMV,
fill out their "bill of
sale" form and pay their fees. Never had a
problem getting a plate and
sticker right then and there. Sometimes
they need to look at the VIN,
sometimes they don't.
This always works because documentation carried by
owners is commonly
lost or destroyed. Sometimes a seller will slack-off and
not report a
vehicle being sold either. All DMV's have a procedure for
dealing with
this. A bill of sale between you and the seller indicating VIN
#
should be all you need.
What any DMV is really looking out for is
that the vehicle has not been
reported stolen and it would appear that you
are in the clear.
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On September 17, 2015 at 9:32
AM, "Larry - Ohio Time"
<[8]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
Ok guys I
pulled the trigger and bought a Jaguar from California and
paid
for
it. Today I get a packet of paperwork from the used car dealer.
Boy this
is not how we do it in the grand old state of Ohio. Look at this
mess.
1. I get a Nevada title for the car in the name of the lady who
traded
it to a Honda dealer in Las Vegas. The back of the title is signed
over
to
California Auto Auction. Nothing is notarized.
2. I get a small
form from Cal DMV "vehicle auction wholesale report
of
sale". It
shows the auction name and the used car dealer's name as
buyer.
Nothing is notarized.
3. I get a form from Cal DMV, "vehicle/vessel
transfer and
reassignment
form". Looks to be a bill of sale from the
auction company to the
used car
dealer.
4. I get a form from
Cal DMV, "vehicle/vessel transfer and
reassignment
form" Looks to be
a bill of sale from the used car dealer to me. It
is
asking for my
signature and returned to them. It also asks for my
signature
to
appoint the used car dealer to be my power of attorney to
complete
necessary paperwork and transfer ownership. Hmmmm.
5. I get a form
"contract cancellation option agreement" looking for
my
signature to
decline it.
Is any of this normal? We call this skipping a title here and
it is
not a
legal thing to do. Do I just sign all this before the
car gets here?
Did he
really ship it yet?
In Ohio a dealer
buys a car. He gets a title that has the back
filled in
with his
name, miles and a notarized signature of the seller. The
dealer
transfers the tile into there name and get a new title. When it is
sold
the
same thing happens.simple.
Larry (lost) - Cleveland
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