[DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
audionut at hushmail.com
audionut at hushmail.com
Fri Sep 18 19:39:38 EDT 2015
I am not saying that I've had sellers release property without being
paid. I have done out-of-state purchases with private parties with
deposit paid up front and then balance paid when MY shipper verifies
that the vehicle is in the condition I expect it to be in. The
shipper I hire has final payment in hand made out to the seller. I
did this with a motorcycle purchase in FL and the seller still managed
to burn me for about 1,000.00 since my shipper did not detect certain
missing/damaged parts. (the guy was selling 2 identical bikes, one of
them a parts bike in boxes he claimed was complete, but it turned out
to be nowhere near complete.) With an out-of-state dealer demanding
paperwork nonsense like this, I haven't a clue. Sounds like he's got
Larry over a barrel because the title isn't clear. My advice would be
try to get your money back, Larry. Failing that, jump through the
hoops and hope for the best. Out-of-state transactions are always VERY
risky. There are lots of ways that a buyer can get burned. If this
dealer doesn't clear the title first without involving Larry, he is a
crook.
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On September 18, 2015 at 2:43 PM, "Pantdino" wrote:
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From: audionut
To: Larry - Ohio Time ; detomaso
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 02:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
Hey Larry-- Audio nut are you saying you have had sellers allow you
to ship a car out of state to you before you paid them?
If so they are more trusting than a reasonable person would be
Usually a car doesn't move until the seller has had funds wired to
his account
Do you have possession of the car and a bill of sale? If yes,
read on. (If not, you are in a pickle and hopefully you haven't
paid any money). Never mind DMV CA or NV or the used car dealer.
As long as you have the car in Ohio, you can ignore them. It is up
to the seller to report the vehicle as sold and you have no
obligation to a former state DMV. What matters is what Ohio
requires to plate it. As long as you have a bill of sale you
should be fine. Check with your local DMV and ask them how you
title a car you bought "bill of sale only". In CA I have purchased
cars, motorcycles with screwed-up paperwork from other states or no
official paperwork at all. All I do is toss the out-of-state
paperwork and take a handwritten bill of sale to the DMV, fill out
their "bill of sale" form and pay their fees. Never had a problem
getting a plate and sticker right then and there. Sometimes they
need to look at the VIN, sometimes they don't. This always works
because documentation carried by owners is commonly lost or
destroyed. Sometimes a seller will slack-off and not report a
vehicle being sold either. All DMV's have a procedure for dealing
with this. A bill of sale between you and the seller indicating
VIN # should be all you need. What any DMV is really looking out
for is that the vehicle has not been reported stolen and it would
appear that you are in the clear. Sent using Hushmail On
September 17, 2015 at 9:32 AM, "Larry - Ohio Time" wrote: Ok
guys I pulled the trigger and bought a Jaguar from California and
paid for it. Today I get a packet of paperwork from the used car
dealer. Boy this is not how we do it in the grand old state of
Ohio. Look at this mess. 1. I get a Nevada title for the car
in the name of the lady who traded it to a Honda dealer in Las
Vegas. The back of the title is signed over to California
Auto Auction. Nothing is notarized. 2. I get a small form from
Cal DMV "vehicle auction wholesale report of sale". It shows
the auction name and the used car dealer's name as buyer.
Nothing is notarized. 3. I get a form from Cal DMV,
"vehicle/vessel transfer and reassignment form". Looks to be
a bill of sale from the auction company to the used car
dealer. 4. I get a form from Cal DMV, "vehicle/vessel transfer
and reassignment form" Looks to be a bill of sale from the
used car dealer to me. It is asking for my signature and
returned to them. It also asks for my signature to appoint
the used car dealer to be my power of attorney to complete
necessary paperwork and transfer ownership. Hmmmm. 5. I get a
form "contract cancellation option agreement" looking for my
signature to decline it. Is any of this normal? We call this
skipping a title here and it is not a legal thing to do. Do
I just sign all this before the car gets here? Did he really
ship it yet? In Ohio a dealer buys a car. He gets a title that
has the back filled in with his name, miles and a notarized
signature of the seller. The dealer transfers the tile into
there name and get a new title. When it is sold the same
thing happens.simple. Larry (lost) - Cleveland
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I am not saying that I've had sellers release property without being
paid.
I have done out-of-state purchases with private parties with deposit
paid up front and then balance paid when MY shipper verifies that the
vehicle is in the condition I expect it to be in. The shipper I hire
has final payment in hand made out to the seller. I did this with a
motorcycle purchase in FL and the seller still managed to burn me for
about 1,000.00 since my shipper did not detect certain missing/damaged
parts. (the guy was selling 2 identical bikes, one of them a parts
bike in boxes he claimed was complete, but it turned out to be nowhere
near complete.)
With an out-of-state dealer demanding paperwork nonsense like this, I
haven't a clue. Sounds like he's got Larry over a barrel because the
title isn't clear. My advice would be try to get your money back,
Larry. Failing that, jump through the hoops and hope for the best.
Out-of-state transactions are always VERY risky. There are lots of
ways that a buyer can get burned. If this dealer doesn't clear the
title first without involving Larry, he is a crook.
Sent using Hushmail
On September 18, 2015 at 2:43 PM, "Pantdino" <pantdino at aol.com> wrote:
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-----Original Message-----
From: audionut <audionut at hushmail.com>
To: Larry - Ohio Time <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; detomaso
<detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 02:34 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Calf title paperwork
Hey Larry--
Audio nut are you saying you have had sellers allow you to ship a car out of sta
te to you before you paid them?
If so they are more trusting than a reasonable person would be
Usually a car doesn't move until the seller has had funds wired to his account
Do you have possession of the car and a bill of sale? If
yes, read on.
(If not, you are in a pickle and hopefully you haven't paid
any money).
Never mind DMV CA or NV or the used car dealer. As long
as you have
the car in Ohio, you can ignore them. It is up to the seller to
report
the vehicle as sold and you have no obligation to a former state
DMV.
What matters is what Ohio requires to plate it. As long as you have
a
bill of sale you should be fine. Check with your local DMV and ask
them how you title a car you bought "bill of sale only".
In CA I have
purchased cars, motorcycles with screwed-up paperwork from
other states or
no official paperwork at all. All I do is toss the
out-of-state paperwork
and take a handwritten bill of sale to the DMV,
fill out their "bill of
sale" form and pay their fees. Never had a
problem getting a plate and
sticker right then and there. Sometimes
they need to look at the VIN,
sometimes they don't.
This always works because documentation carried by
owners is commonly
lost or destroyed. Sometimes a seller will slack-off and
not report a
vehicle being sold either. All DMV's have a procedure for
dealing with
this. A bill of sale between you and the seller indicating VIN
#
should be all you need.
What any DMV is really looking out for is
that the vehicle has not been
reported stolen and it would appear that you
are in the clear.
Sent using Hushmail
On September 17, 2015 at 9:32
AM, "Larry - Ohio Time"
<Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
Ok guys I
pulled the trigger and bought a Jaguar from California and
paid
for
it. Today I get a packet of paperwork from the used car dealer.
Boy this
is not how we do it in the grand old state of Ohio. Look at this
mess.
1. I get a Nevada title for the car in the name of the lady who
traded
it to a Honda dealer in Las Vegas. The back of the title is signed
over
to
California Auto Auction. Nothing is notarized.
2. I get a small
form from Cal DMV "vehicle auction wholesale report
of
sale". It
shows the auction name and the used car dealer's name as
buyer.
Nothing is notarized.
3. I get a form from Cal DMV, "vehicle/vessel
transfer and
reassignment
form". Looks to be a bill of sale from the
auction company to the
used car
dealer.
4. I get a form from
Cal DMV, "vehicle/vessel transfer and
reassignment
form" Looks to be
a bill of sale from the used car dealer to me. It
is
asking for my
signature and returned to them. It also asks for my
signature
to
appoint the used car dealer to be my power of attorney to
complete
necessary paperwork and transfer ownership. Hmmmm.
5. I get a form
"contract cancellation option agreement" looking for
my
signature to
decline it.
Is any of this normal? We call this skipping a title here and
it is
not a
legal thing to do. Do I just sign all this before the
car gets here?
Did he
really ship it yet?
In Ohio a dealer
buys a car. He gets a title that has the back
filled in
with his
name, miles and a notarized signature of the seller. The
dealer
transfers the tile into there name and get a new title. When it is
sold
the
same thing happens.simple.
Larry (lost) - Cleveland
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