[DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Mon Sep 14 14:59:20 EDT 2015
It would be a private site. Login required and I could host it on the POCA site or I have a "Dreamhost" ISP that is
excellent. The problem is getting people to contribute to it. Also KISS. "Keep It Simple Stupid" to use.
I am in our ORT (Operation Readiness Test) for EDL (Entry, Descent and Landing) on InSight. So I will have breaks
between total boredom and shear terror. ;-) For the next 2 days. I will think about it more. MediaWiki is driven
by a MySQL database which would be easy to move if necessary.
I might set one up as a sandbox for people to play in, just to experiment.
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
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Cell: (818) 653-8213
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From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>>
Date: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:48 AM
To: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Terry,
I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private wiki site?
Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers and a brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by system (cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C, interior, exterior, electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper, brake lines, master cylinder, brake fluid).
I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain component of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of them so far) and probably could have saved some time and money if such a knowledge base existed. I certainly would have been able to make better decisions along the way, at least when I did not pose a question to the group here..
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge. I was thinking, since our Pantera's are going
to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's. The MediaWiki it's is built on is free. I set one
up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge about spaceflight. Hmmmm? Internally we
don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated. But on the Internet it would have to be monitored. I think
I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7. (I might not remember correctly, but a lot) It wouldn't
be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
Thoughts?
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can probably replicate that though?
Mike
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On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>> wrote:
That was my confusion last night with the replies.
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>>
wrote:
I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
glass with an adhesive between them?A
That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a gas
filled gap between theA panes.
Ken
A
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A My glass had the same thickness as the original.A Maybe it isn't
double
A pane.A I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh, you
A need double pane safety glass."
A The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
A perfect.A I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A That's why I
had to
A buy new glass in the first place.
A Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A The shop is
Woodlands
A Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
A From: <[1][11]jderyke at aol.com<mailto:jderyke at aol.com>>
A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
A To: <[2][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>>, Will Kooiman
A <[3][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>, <[4][14]ehpantera at yahoo.com<mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com>>,
A <[5][15]rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>>, <[6][16]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>>
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
problems.
A And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into the
A cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its no
A big deal.
Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
A -----Original Message-----
A From: Mike Thomas <[7][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net<mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net>>
A To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>>; 'mark skwarek'
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A <[11][21]rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>>; DeTomaso <[12][22]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>>
A Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
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Will Kooiman
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
To: mark skwarek
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
I
had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A Mine was
cracked, so
they could use it as a template.
It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
correctly.
On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
DeTomaso"
<[18][28]detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of
[19][29]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
wrote:
A Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
separate
A the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
Mark
A On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[20][30]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> wrote:
A A FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
A A WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
sound deadening; I
A A have one.A Normally the rear window never gives
trouble except during
A A an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
place & contacts
A the
A A window during the pull.A One owner found that
Weber velocity stacks
A A also can break the glass during engine removals.
The window is sort
A of
A A part of the rear firewall, but in engine
fires, the glass invariably
A A shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
not degrade the "safety"
A A aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
so the rear legs of
A the
A A factory roll cage can extend though to the
rear fenders. One year at
A A Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
like this, and the
A SCTA
A A Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
window and substitute a
A thin
A A galvanized steel sheet!
-----Original Message-----
A A From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31]rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>>
To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32]DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>>
A A Sent: Thu, Sep
10, 2015 12:20 pm
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A Is there anything
special about the rear glass?AA It being flat makes
A A me
A think that I
would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
A A just for
A a
Pantera.
A A RobA
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It would be a private site. Login required and I could host it on the
POCA site or I have a "Dreamhost" ISP that is
excellent. The problem is getting people to contribute to it. Also
KISS. "Keep It Simple Stupid" to use.
I am in our ORT (Operation Readiness Test) for EDL (Entry, Descent and
Landing) on InSight. So I will have breaks
between total boredom and shear terror. ;-) For the next 2 days. I
will think about it more. MediaWiki is driven
by a MySQL database which would be easy to move if necessary.
I might set one up as a sandbox for people to play in, just to
experiment.
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
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[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Rob Dumoulin <[2]rob at dumoulins.net>
Date: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:48 AM
To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Ken Green
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Terry,
I agree that a wiki approach for the Pantera would be great. Are you
suggesting adding topics to the global wikipedia are creating a private
wiki site?
Imagine if each of us could put in particular mods with part numbers
and a brief description of function/fit and the site was organized by
system (cooling, suspension, glass, transmission, brakes, A/C,
interior, exterior, electrical, etc.) and part (brake rotor, caliper,
brake lines, master cylinder, brake fluid).
I often wondered what all my options are for rebuilding a certain
component of my car (and I am close to having addressed every one of
them so far) and probably could have saved some time and money if such
a knowledge base existed. I certainly would have been able to make
better decisions along the way, at least when I did not pose a question
to the group here..
Rob DuMoulin
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[14]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Ya kow.. you guys are a encyclopedia of Pantera tribal knowledge. I
was thinking, since our Pantera's are going
to be around for a long time we should start WikiPedia for Pantera's.
The MediaWiki it's is built on is free. I set one
up for JPL and we use it to capture the same kind of tribal knowledge
about spaceflight. Hmmmm? Internally we
don't need it monitored and everyone is authenticated. But on the
Internet it would have to be monitored. I think
I head that Wikipedia gets 7000 updates every hour, 24/7. (I might not
remember correctly, but a lot) It wouldn't
be open to the public, but probably should use the POCA login. ?
Thoughts?
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
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JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
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From: DeTomaso <[19]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA
<[20]detomaso at poca.com>
Reply-To: Mike Drew <[21]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 11:26 AM
To: Rob Dumoulin <[22]rob at dumoulins.net>
Cc: Ken Green <[23]kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "[24]jderyke at aol.com"
<[25]jderyke at aol.com>, "[26]mbefthomas at comcast.net"
<[27]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, POCA <[28]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
I'm glad jack reminded us. It's Ron Wade who sells double rear
windows--presumably two pieces of safety glass. Your glass shop can
probably replicate that though?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11, 2015, at 9:39, Rob Dumoulin <[29]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
That was my confusion last night with the replies.
Rob DuMoulin
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ken Green
<[4][34]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
wrote:
I thought standard automotive window glass wasA two layers of safety
glass with an adhesive between them?A
That is not the same as double pane residential glass that have a
gas
filled gap between theA panes.
Ken
A
__________________________________________________________________
From: Will Kooiman <[5][35]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: [6][36]jderyke at aol.com; [7][37]mbefthomas at comcast.net;
[8][38]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [9][39]rob at dumoulins.net;
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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A My glass had the same thickness as the original.A Maybe it isn't
double
A pane.A I told the glass shop what I needed, and they said, "Oh,
you
A need double pane safety glass."
A The bummer was that I polished the original glass, and it looked
A perfect.A I broke it while I was reinstalling it.A That's why I
had to
A buy new glass in the first place.
A Kirby - I may have used the same guy you used.A The shop is
Woodlands
A Car Care, on Budde Rd, just south of Sawdust.
A From: <[1][11][41]jderyke at aol.com>
A Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 at 2:56 AM
A To: <[2][12][42]mbefthomas at comcast.net>, Will Kooiman
A <[3][13][43]will.kooiman at gmail.com>,
<[4][14][44]ehpantera at yahoo.com>,
A <[5][15][45]rob at dumoulins.net>, <[6][16][46]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A Short answer: yes. I used my OEM 1972 rubber gasket with no
problems.
A And you get to choose whether the secondary pane protrudes into
the
A cockpit or into the engine bay. The distance is about 1/4" so its
no
A big deal.
Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
A -----Original Message-----
A From: Mike Thomas <[7][17][47]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
A To: 'Will Kooiman' <[8][18][48]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; 'mark
skwarek'
A <[9][19][49]ehpantera at yahoo.com>; jderyke
<[10][20][50]jderyke at aol.com>; rob
A <[11][21][51]rob at dumoulins.net>; DeTomaso
<[12][22][52]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2015 5:18 pm
A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
Does the double pane fit in the original rubber?
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Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[13][53]mailto:[23]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of
Will Kooiman
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:59 PM
To: mark skwarek
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[16][26][56]rob at dumoulins.net;
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
I
had double pane safety glass made at a local glass shop.A Mine was
cracked, so
they could use it as a template.
It was cheap too - under $100, if I recall
correctly.
On 9/10/15, 5:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of mark skwarek via
DeTomaso"
<[18][28][58]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
[19][29][59]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
A Some racing organizations require a non-combustible material
separate
A the engine compartment from the passenger compartment.
Mark
A On Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[20][30][60]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
A A FWIW, Larry Stock of PPC-Reno sells an exact
Lexan repro. Ron Wade in
A A WA made a few double-pane rear windows for extra
sound deadening; I
A A have one.A Normally the rear window never gives
trouble except during
A A an engine pull when the distributor cap is left in
place & contacts
A the
A A window during the pull.A One owner found that
Weber velocity stacks
A A also can break the glass during engine removals.
The window is sort
A of
A A part of the rear firewall, but in engine
fires, the glass invariably
A A shatters early, so using Lexan likely does
not degrade the "safety"
A A aspect much. Most 'GR-4s' use plexiglas windows
so the rear legs of
A the
A A factory roll cage can extend though to the
rear fenders. One year at
A A Bonneville, a Swedish Pantera showed up to run
like this, and the
A SCTA
A A Tech Inspectors made them remove the Lexan
window and substitute a
A thin
A A galvanized steel sheet!
-----Original Message-----
A A From: Rob Dumoulin <[1][21][31][61]rob at dumoulins.net>
To: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List <[2][22][32][62]DeTomaso at poca.com>
A A Sent: Thu, Sep
10, 2015 12:20 pm
A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Rear Glass
A Is there anything
special about the rear glass?AA It being flat makes
A A me
A think that I
would not have to go through a vendor and get one made
A A just for
A a
Pantera.
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