[DeTomaso] Pantera THERMOSTATS??
John Taphorn
jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Wed Oct 7 08:09:18 EDT 2015
Thomas
Do you have the part numbers for the Taurus parts?
Thanks
JT
On 10/7/2015 1:29 AM, Thomas Törnblom wrote:
> And if you want something from Ford, with a replaceable thermostat and
> possibly better flow, you can get a similar setup from a Taurus.
>
>
> Den 2015-10-07 03:25, Kirby Schrader skrev:
>> And now… for that ‘different’ approach…. As I’ve mentioned before.
>>
>> I use a remote thermostat. As per the Mike Trusty/John Taphorn
>> modification.
>> A BMW 318 thermostat is mounted up front near the radiator.
>> Coolant flows all the way up to the front of the car and back until
>> it gets hot enough to open the thermostat.
>> Works magnificently.
>>
>> 1661 (silver street car) is set up this way. Also with a front
>> mounted condenser.
>>
>> Dylan’s Group 4 résurrection is also set up this way.
>> He has no overheating problems and his A/C is cold as hell with the
>> front mounted condenser.
>> We measured 38F with R134!
>>
>> I’m jealous.
>>
>> Both cars have the block restrictor and whether they are blocked or
>> not, we don’t care.
>> There is no ‘shock’ to the engine. There’s a lot of coolant in those
>> pipes to the front and back.
>>
>> The race car runs no thermostat at all and warms up nicely and stays
>> there.
>>
>> The Space City website is down temporarily, but once it’s back up
>> again, look for JT’s cooling modifications.
>>
>> FWIW,
>> Kirby
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 20:02, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Forum,
>>>
>>>
>>> Carquest part number update: 13468 is a Stant thermostat
>>> 180 degrees
>>> 13469 is the 195 degree 'stat
>>>
>>> They are indeed Cleveland thermostats.
>>>
>>>
>>> A while back I commented that I used the Pantera
>>> Performance Center modified coolant restrictor with permits use of,
>>> at least, Windsor thermostats. I reported that I used the mod in
>>> all my engines and the two installed in my Panteras had provided
>>> good cooling function without overheating for years.
>>>
>>> After I made that public statement, a good friend with
>>> impeccable automotive Ford engineering credentials and curriculum
>>> vitae inquired about the modification and I described it. He
>>> chastised me for using a bad design and told me that I was cold
>>> shocking the cylinder heads with such a mod.
>>>
>>> As it so happens, one engine was out of the Pantera and
>>> disassembled for rebuilding. At his request I inspected the
>>> restrictor which is made of aluminum and photographed it. It was
>>> apparent that after ten years and roughly twenty thousand miles that
>>> the small hole in the bottom of the modified restrictor has
>>> completely corroded closed with firm schmutz. I was convinced that
>>> although the mod had worked, there was something flawed and I would
>>> revert back to original.
>>>
>>> Now, I am working on the other Pantera and I decided to
>>> change the thermostat. This engine has used the PPC mod since it
>>> was built in 2006 and about ten thousand miles ago. The thermostat
>>> was not a Cleveland. I think it is a Windsor. The restrictor was
>>> again corroded and the small aperture was occluded with schmutz. I
>>> changed back to the stock restrictor and thermostat.
>>>
>>> The third engine is on a stand and I will change that one
>>> back to a stock restrictor in due time.
>>>
>>> So, for the record, although I was satisfied with the
>>> performance of the PPC modified cooling restrictor, inspection and
>>> reconsideration shows it to be different and maybe not better than
>>> stock.
>>>
>>>
>>> True confession, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>>> Meyer
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:00 PM
>>> To: Michael Shortt
>>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>; Mike Thomas; Larry Finch
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 3:38 PM, "Michael Shortt"
>>>> <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here it is.
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2015 5:40 PM, "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I allegedly have 6 coming on Friday from Indiana, once they get here
>>>>> (and they are real), anybody that wants one can have it at cost
>>>>> plus shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Timothy Meyer
>>>>>> <fordmachinist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> We have used a Carquest part# 30089
>>>>>> Not hard to find at all.
>>>>>> Here's a picture of that thermostat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/338825571938266513/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Meyer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike
>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:02 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann'
>>>>>> <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>>>>>> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you finally for a visual to go along with all of the
>>>>>> explanations!
>>>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:44 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch'
>>>>>> <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>>>>>> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "hat" is the copper piece and the plate is the thing on the left
>>>>>> This is a Marlin Jack -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Cullen McCann
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 18:29 PM
>>>>>> To: Larry Finch
>>>>>> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you all for the education. The one thing worth noting on
>>>>>> the ebay ad, is that the seller says the "special plates"
>>>>>> required for the 351c are not included. he doesn't use the term
>>>>>> hats, but I suspect he is talking about the same thing?
>>>>>> Cullen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>>>>>> <detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Something not yet noted in this thread….
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Robert Shaw 333 series is a Cleveland (with the ‘hat’) … high
>>>>>>> flow … thermostat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is, I believe, the style originally used by Ford.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The readily available thermostats at the parts houses are correct
>>>>>>> for the Cleveland, but they are not the high flow design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That feature is what drives the high interest in the Robert Shaw
>>>>>>> 333 stats, not that they are the only fish in the sea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just the only OEM style. And no longer made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CA owner Marlin Jack, a skilled machinist, is buying the 330
>>>>>>> series RS stats (with the same high flow design as the 333 series)
>>>>>>> to which he installs a machined ‘hat’, thus creating a 333 series
>>>>>>> stat correct for the Cleveland. On eBay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry - two parts houses stats - left side high flow, right side,
>>>>>>> not so much
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>>>> www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>> 912-232-9390
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