[DeTomaso] Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Thomas Törnblom
tipo874 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 7 02:29:30 EDT 2015
And if you want something from Ford, with a replaceable thermostat and
possibly better flow, you can get a similar setup from a Taurus.
Den 2015-10-07 03:25, Kirby Schrader skrev:
> And now… for that ‘different’ approach…. As I’ve mentioned before.
>
> I use a remote thermostat. As per the Mike Trusty/John Taphorn modification.
> A BMW 318 thermostat is mounted up front near the radiator.
> Coolant flows all the way up to the front of the car and back until it gets hot enough to open the thermostat.
> Works magnificently.
>
> 1661 (silver street car) is set up this way. Also with a front mounted condenser.
>
> Dylan’s Group 4 résurrection is also set up this way.
> He has no overheating problems and his A/C is cold as hell with the front mounted condenser.
> We measured 38F with R134!
>
> I’m jealous.
>
> Both cars have the block restrictor and whether they are blocked or not, we don’t care.
> There is no ‘shock’ to the engine. There’s a lot of coolant in those pipes to the front and back.
>
> The race car runs no thermostat at all and warms up nicely and stays there.
>
> The Space City website is down temporarily, but once it’s back up again, look for JT’s cooling modifications.
>
> FWIW,
> Kirby
>
>
>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 20:02, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Forum,
>>
>>
>> Carquest part number update: 13468 is a Stant thermostat 180 degrees
>> 13469 is the 195 degree 'stat
>>
>> They are indeed Cleveland thermostats.
>>
>>
>> A while back I commented that I used the Pantera Performance Center modified coolant restrictor with permits use of, at least, Windsor thermostats. I reported that I used the mod in all my engines and the two installed in my Panteras had provided good cooling function without overheating for years.
>>
>> After I made that public statement, a good friend with impeccable automotive Ford engineering credentials and curriculum vitae inquired about the modification and I described it. He chastised me for using a bad design and told me that I was cold shocking the cylinder heads with such a mod.
>>
>> As it so happens, one engine was out of the Pantera and disassembled for rebuilding. At his request I inspected the restrictor which is made of aluminum and photographed it. It was apparent that after ten years and roughly twenty thousand miles that the small hole in the bottom of the modified restrictor has completely corroded closed with firm schmutz. I was convinced that although the mod had worked, there was something flawed and I would revert back to original.
>>
>> Now, I am working on the other Pantera and I decided to change the thermostat. This engine has used the PPC mod since it was built in 2006 and about ten thousand miles ago. The thermostat was not a Cleveland. I think it is a Windsor. The restrictor was again corroded and the small aperture was occluded with schmutz. I changed back to the stock restrictor and thermostat.
>>
>> The third engine is on a stand and I will change that one back to a stock restrictor in due time.
>>
>> So, for the record, although I was satisfied with the performance of the PPC modified cooling restrictor, inspection and reconsideration shows it to be different and maybe not better than stock.
>>
>>
>> True confession, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tim Meyer
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:00 PM
>> To: Michael Shortt
>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>; Mike Thomas; Larry Finch
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 3:38 PM, "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here it is.
>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2015 5:40 PM, "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I allegedly have 6 coming on Friday from Indiana, once they get here
>>>> (and they are real), anybody that wants one can have it at cost plus shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Timothy Meyer <fordmachinist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> We have used a Carquest part# 30089
>>>>> Not hard to find at all.
>>>>> Here's a picture of that thermostat
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/338825571938266513/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Meyer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:02 PM
>>>>> To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann'
>>>>> <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you finally for a visual to go along with all of the explanations!
>>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:44 PM
>>>>> To: 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch'
>>>>> <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>>>>> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>
>>>>> The "hat" is the copper piece and the plate is the thing on the left
>>>>> This is a Marlin Jack -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Cullen McCann
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 18:29 PM
>>>>> To: Larry Finch
>>>>> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you all for the education. The one thing worth noting on the ebay ad, is that the seller says the "special plates" required for the 351c are not included. he doesn't use the term hats, but I suspect he is talking about the same thing?
>>>>> Cullen
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>>>>> <detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Something not yet noted in this thread….
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Robert Shaw 333 series is a Cleveland (with the ‘hat’) … high
>>>>>> flow … thermostat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is, I believe, the style originally used by Ford.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The readily available thermostats at the parts houses are correct
>>>>>> for the Cleveland, but they are not the high flow design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That feature is what drives the high interest in the Robert Shaw
>>>>>> 333 stats, not that they are the only fish in the sea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just the only OEM style. And no longer made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CA owner Marlin Jack, a skilled machinist, is buying the 330
>>>>>> series RS stats (with the same high flow design as the 333 series)
>>>>>> to which he installs a machined ‘hat’, thus creating a 333 series
>>>>>> stat correct for the Cleveland. On eBay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry - two parts houses stats - left side high flow, right side,
>>>>>> not so much
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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