[DeTomaso] Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Thomas Tornblom
thomas at hax.se
Wed Oct 7 09:11:12 EDT 2015
Even better, I have the mail from Kirby:
Cheers,
Thomas
Den 2015-10-07 14:09, John Taphorn skrev:
> Thomas
>
> Do you have the part numbers for the Taurus parts?
>
> Thanks
> JT
>
> On 10/7/2015 1:29 AM, Thomas Törnblom wrote:
>> And if you want something from Ford, with a replaceable thermostat and
>> possibly better flow, you can get a similar setup from a Taurus.
>>
>>
>> Den 2015-10-07 03:25, Kirby Schrader skrev:
>>> And now… for that ‘different’ approach…. As I’ve mentioned before.
>>>
>>> I use a remote thermostat. As per the Mike Trusty/John Taphorn
>>> modification.
>>> A BMW 318 thermostat is mounted up front near the radiator.
>>> Coolant flows all the way up to the front of the car and back until
>>> it gets hot enough to open the thermostat.
>>> Works magnificently.
>>>
>>> 1661 (silver street car) is set up this way. Also with a front
>>> mounted condenser.
>>>
>>> Dylan’s Group 4 résurrection is also set up this way.
>>> He has no overheating problems and his A/C is cold as hell with the
>>> front mounted condenser.
>>> We measured 38F with R134!
>>>
>>> I’m jealous.
>>>
>>> Both cars have the block restrictor and whether they are blocked or
>>> not, we don’t care.
>>> There is no ‘shock’ to the engine. There’s a lot of coolant in those
>>> pipes to the front and back.
>>>
>>> The race car runs no thermostat at all and warms up nicely and stays
>>> there.
>>>
>>> The Space City website is down temporarily, but once it’s back up
>>> again, look for JT’s cooling modifications.
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>> Kirby
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 20:02, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Forum,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carquest part number update: 13468 is a Stant thermostat
>>>> 180 degrees
>>>> 13469 is the 195 degree 'stat
>>>>
>>>> They are indeed Cleveland thermostats.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A while back I commented that I used the Pantera
>>>> Performance Center modified coolant restrictor with permits use of,
>>>> at least, Windsor thermostats. I reported that I used the mod in
>>>> all my engines and the two installed in my Panteras had provided
>>>> good cooling function without overheating for years.
>>>>
>>>> After I made that public statement, a good friend with
>>>> impeccable automotive Ford engineering credentials and curriculum
>>>> vitae inquired about the modification and I described it. He
>>>> chastised me for using a bad design and told me that I was cold
>>>> shocking the cylinder heads with such a mod.
>>>>
>>>> As it so happens, one engine was out of the Pantera and
>>>> disassembled for rebuilding. At his request I inspected the
>>>> restrictor which is made of aluminum and photographed it. It was
>>>> apparent that after ten years and roughly twenty thousand miles that
>>>> the small hole in the bottom of the modified restrictor has
>>>> completely corroded closed with firm schmutz. I was convinced that
>>>> although the mod had worked, there was something flawed and I would
>>>> revert back to original.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I am working on the other Pantera and I decided to
>>>> change the thermostat. This engine has used the PPC mod since it
>>>> was built in 2006 and about ten thousand miles ago. The thermostat
>>>> was not a Cleveland. I think it is a Windsor. The restrictor was
>>>> again corroded and the small aperture was occluded with schmutz. I
>>>> changed back to the stock restrictor and thermostat.
>>>>
>>>> The third engine is on a stand and I will change that one
>>>> back to a stock restrictor in due time.
>>>>
>>>> So, for the record, although I was satisfied with the
>>>> performance of the PPC modified cooling restrictor, inspection and
>>>> reconsideration shows it to be different and maybe not better than
>>>> stock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True confession, Chuck Engles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>>>> Meyer
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:00 PM
>>>> To: Michael Shortt
>>>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>; Mike Thomas; Larry Finch
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 3:38 PM, "Michael Shortt"
>>>>> <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2015 5:40 PM, "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I allegedly have 6 coming on Friday from Indiana, once they get here
>>>>>> (and they are real), anybody that wants one can have it at cost
>>>>>> plus shipping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Timothy Meyer
>>>>>>> <fordmachinist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> We have used a Carquest part# 30089
>>>>>>> Not hard to find at all.
>>>>>>> Here's a picture of that thermostat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/338825571938266513/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim Meyer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:02 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann'
>>>>>>> <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you finally for a visual to go along with all of the
>>>>>>> explanations!
>>>>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch'
>>>>>>> <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "hat" is the copper piece and the plate is the thing on the left
>>>>>>> This is a Marlin Jack -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Cullen McCann
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 18:29 PM
>>>>>>> To: Larry Finch
>>>>>>> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you all for the education. The one thing worth noting on
>>>>>>> the ebay ad, is that the seller says the "special plates"
>>>>>>> required for the 351c are not included. he doesn't use the term
>>>>>>> hats, but I suspect he is talking about the same thing?
>>>>>>> Cullen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>>>>>>> <detomaso at poca.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Something not yet noted in this thread….
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Robert Shaw 333 series is a Cleveland (with the ‘hat’) … high
>>>>>>>> flow … thermostat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is, I believe, the style originally used by Ford.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The readily available thermostats at the parts houses are correct
>>>>>>>> for the Cleveland, but they are not the high flow design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That feature is what drives the high interest in the Robert Shaw
>>>>>>>> 333 stats, not that they are the only fish in the sea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just the only OEM style. And no longer made.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CA owner Marlin Jack, a skilled machinist, is buying the 330
>>>>>>>> series RS stats (with the same high flow design as the 333 series)
>>>>>>>> to which he installs a machined ‘hat’, thus creating a 333 series
>>>>>>>> stat correct for the Cleveland. On eBay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larry - two parts houses stats - left side high flow, right side,
>>>>>>>> not so much
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael L. Shortt
>>>>>> Savannah, Georgia
>>>>>> www.michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>>>> 912-232-9390
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