[DeTomaso] You want Pantera Content... okay here goes...

Sean Korb spkorb at gmail.com
Thu Nov 5 08:49:04 EST 2015


I've noticed my Fiat (well, at least it's Italian) doesn't start below 60
degrees C.  It floods out really easily and it is hard to get it just right
but I'm working on the method.  I *don't* pump the pedal once on cold days
but I *do* pull the choke (running a Webber but I don't think my 60CFM
coffee cup really qualifies) and it will burble to life if I'm quick about
modulating the pedal as it sputters.  Between that and the distributor
being sensitive to moisture I thought I should go all electronic... but do
I really want to bring an old Fiat out in crappy weather?

I think the Italian's had it right.  If it's too cold, the car doesn't
start.  Then you shrug your shoulders, go back in the villa and open
another bottle of wine.  Your boss will understand.  His car didn't start
either :)

sean

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:18 AM, JEFFREY COBB <jeffcobb1 at me.com> wrote:

> Laurie,
> Seems like the comedy team did not address your problem.
> -Do have first turn over consistent
> s-plug spark?
> -How many seconds of spin before it catches?
> -Do you have a gas stench when no start and a brown/grey exhaust start up
> cloud?
> -Do you have a square start up? Meaning on its first fire up does the
> engine take over and run learn and fine.
> -How is your carb choke function doing?
>     Sounds like a dry carb throat cold start and the Webers venturi
> velocity is too low to pull in fuel the extra distance through the
> S-charger. I assume it is a positive not a centrifugal unit.
>    Sounds like a choke calibration or its addition needs to happen.
>
> Good luck and I hope this helps.
>
> Jeff Cobb
> Cell 225-907-4514
>
> Jeff Cobb Auto Works
> 1316  S. Acadian Thruway
> Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 70806
> 225-343-7525
>
> www.liveoakconcours.org
> Concours, NOV 1-3rd, 2013
>
> zumzum at cox.net
> jeffcobb1 at me.com
> Fax 225-343-7550
>
> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   Which version of Electramotive are you using.A
> >   Jeff
> >
> >   On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
> >   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >
> >     A  A Who has interesting suggestions on cold starting a supercharged
> >     engine
> >     A  A with Electromotive Ignition and Webers?
> >     A  A It loves to start immediately when it's a bit warmed up outside
> >     but a
> >     A  A little testy early in the morning when I want to get to one of
> >     these
> >     A  A shows that starts before 7 a.m. Keep in mind it doesn't snow
> >     here...
> >     A  A 40's to 60's is about the morning temp.
> >     A  A I've already gotten some handy advice from one VIP but I'd be
> >     open to
> >     A  A hearing other opinions if you're knowledgeable about such a set
> >     up.
> >     A  A Laurie
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   I've noticed my Fiat (well, at least it's Italian) doesn't start below
   60 degrees C.A  It floods out really easily and it is hard to get it
   just right but I'm working on the method.A  I *don't* pump the pedal
   once on cold days but I *do* pull the choke (running a Webber but I
   don't think my 60CFM coffee cup really qualifies) and it will burble to
   life if I'm quick about modulating the pedal as it sputters.A  Between
   that and the distributor being sensitive to moisture I thought I should
   go all electronic... but do I really want to bring an old Fiat out in
   crappy weather? A
   I think the Italian's had it right.A  If it's too cold, the car doesn't
   start.A  Then you shrug your shoulders, go back in the villa and open
   another bottle of wine.A  Your boss will understand.A  His car didn't
   start either :)
   sean

   On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:18 AM, JEFFREY COBB <[1]jeffcobb1 at me.com>
   wrote:

     Laurie,
     Seems like the comedy team did not address your problem.
     -Do have first turn over consistent
     s-plug spark?
     -How many seconds of spin before it catches?
     -Do you have a gas stench when no start and a brown/grey exhaust
     start up cloud?
     -Do you have a square start up? Meaning on its first fire up does
     the engine take over and run learn and fine.
     -How is your carb choke function doing?
     A  A  Sounds like a dry carb throat cold start and the Webers
     venturi velocity is too low to pull in fuel the extra distance
     through the S-charger. I assume it is a positive not a centrifugal
     unit.
     A  A Sounds like a choke calibration or its addition needs to
     happen.
     Good luck and I hope this helps.
     Jeff Cobb
     Cell [2]225-907-4514
     Jeff Cobb Auto Works
     1316A  S. Acadian Thruway
     Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 70806
     [3]225-343-7525
     [4]www.liveoakconcours.org
     Concours, NOV 1-3rd, 2013
     [5]zumzum at cox.net
     [6]jeffcobb1 at me.com
     Fax [7]225-343-7550

   > On Nov 4, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Jeff Detrich <[8]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >A  A Which version of Electramotive are you using.A
   >A  A Jeff
   >
   >A  A On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
   >A  A <[1][9]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
   >
   >A  A  A AA  A Who has interesting suggestions on cold starting a
   supercharged
   >A  A  A engine
   >A  A  A AA  A with Electromotive Ignition and Webers?
   >A  A  A AA  A It loves to start immediately when it's a bit warmed up
   outside
   >A  A  A but a
   >A  A  A AA  A little testy early in the morning when I want to get to
   one of
   >A  A  A these
   >A  A  A AA  A shows that starts before 7 a.m. Keep in mind it doesn't
   snow
   >A  A  A here...
   >A  A  A AA  A 40's to 60's is about the morning temp.
   >A  A  A AA  A I've already gotten some handy advice from one VIP but
   I'd be
   >A  A  A open to
   >A  A  A AA  A hearing other opinions if you're knowledgeable about
   such a set
   >A  A  A up.
   >A  A  A AA  A Laurie
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