[DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Tue Nov 3 15:12:03 EST 2015
There is a proper forum on poca.com <http://poca.com/> however not too many people use it for some reason.
We can all switch over to that and start using it more but it’s all up to us. Keeping this of course because it’s in the bylaws to keep this email list open and free to all.
It is here, lets start using it? Much easier to search through and find articles. Their is a member only component to it, try it and let me know.
http://poca.com/index.php/forum/index <http://poca.com/index.php/forum/index>
Thanks,
Ed
> On 4/11/2015, at 04:03, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I believe that the idea of the email list is to share information and
> attract as many potential members as possible in order to preserve and
> promote the Pantera as a car and deTomaso's heritage in general.
> My Pantera has been dead for more than 4 years, I think, while I have
> been busy saving the world for reasons I cannot disclose due to hurting
> the sensitivities of some here. If it would not be for the list that I
> almost read daily I would not think that often to fix the Pantera.
> Yeah, I am not a paying member, I will be once this Saturday hopefully
> I do not get killed towing the damn thing to the mechanic to have the
> fuel injection system installed and brakes fixed.
> Keep the list open and stop fighting over inconsequential things and
> share the wealth of knowledge we are so fortunate to have due to some
> outstanding people here. It is an old car but so very beautiful that I
> believe we can stop for a moment to think how fortunate each and every
> one of us is to have one and how together we can help preserve and
> promote it in a world that is full of horrible Japanese cars.
> The idea is to be inclusive, not to lock people out for various petty
> reasons. I have to remind myself that often when I make various
> mistakes for which I have often been forgiven.A
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Will Kooiman
> <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When that happens, IA^1m leaving POCA.
> I bought my Pantera over a Ferrari, partly because of this e-mail
> list.
> Not the list itself, but the spirit of helping others.
> When you make it a paid-for service, it isnA^1t the same thing.
> On 11/3/15, 6:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mikael"
> <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
> [3]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>> A A Well, times change, even for us? The email list is on
> [4]POCA.COM. So I
>> A A hope the new management will either close it so the non-payers
> start to
>> A A pay for the services they use. Quite basic. Nothing is free.
>>
>>
>> A A Or of course, even better, get a proper forum up and running
> with
>> A A alerts, daily summaries, pictures, easy lookup functions (just
> like PI
>> A A Forum) and let the free riders use the 1996 technology J
>>
>>
>> A A Mvh/Regards
>>
>> A A Mikael
>>
>>
>> A A Fra: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:[5]asajay at asajay.com]
>> A A Sendt: 2. november 2015 23:15
>> A A Til: Mikael
>> A A Cc: De Tomaso List
>> A A Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
>>
>>
>> A A Hi Mikael,
>>
>> A A This email list was started by Shane Ingate back in 1996 (or
> so)/and
>> A A was open to all DeTomaso enthusiasts.A No membership
> required, no dues
>> A A and ownership was not a prerequisite.A At the time, the email
> forum
>> A A software was being hosted on a private server.A It had zero
> association
>> A A with POCA other than some POCA members were part of the list.
>>
>>
>> A A The server hosting and ownership changed a few times before
> the latest
>> A A transfer.A That latest transfer came about through an
> agreement with
>> A A POCA that it could be hosted on the POCA server, but that the
> list
>> A A itself remain open to anyone and everyone that wished to join
> and talk
>> A A about DeTomaso automobiles AND that it never required
> membership in
>> A A POCA.
>>
>>
>> A A It started as a non-POCA email list and it's supposed to
> remain that
>> A A way.
>>
>>
>> A A AsaA Jay
>>
>>
>>
>> A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>
>> A A Mikael <[1][6]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>> A A Sitting following this from across the pond is both
> entertaining and a
>> A A bit puzzling. When I read the candidates statements, e.g.
> making the
>> A A brand better known, I'm thinking why? The definition of a club
> is that
>> A A members pay money and get benefits that nonmembers don't get.
> Like
>> A A magazines, forum/mail list, discounts, events, help and
> advice. So dear
>> A A candidates, what will you work on that benefits ME, a paying
> member? I
>> A A get most of what I listed above, but I can't buy apparel since
> we've
>> A A moved away from cheques decades ago, and am I right in
> understanding
>> A A that several non-members use this mail list? If they don't
> pay, they
>> A A should be locked out. Members only.
>> A A Membership value should be optimized, that's any club
> management's
>> A A first priority IMHO
>> A A Happy voting
>> A A Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>> A A A Original Message
>> A A From: Mike Drew
>> A A Sent: mandag den 2. november 2015 19.14
>> A A To: Forest Goodhart
>> A A Cc: Julian Kift; POCA; De Tomaso List
>> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
>> A A Forest,
>> A A But did you get two of them, one for yourself and one for your
>> A A associate? Or did your associate get one of her own? Or does
> the single
>> A A survey afford the opportunity for both parties to vote on a
> single
>> A A ballot?
>> A A I haven't been able to look at mine yet although I did receive
>> A A it...just wondering what to expect.
>> A A Mike
>> A A Sent from my iPhone
>> A A On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:01, Forest Goodhart
> <[2][7]forestg at att.net> wrote:
>> A A > Mine showed up in my spam folder. Check there.
>> A A >
> __________________________________________________________________
>> A A >
>> A A > From: Julian Kift <[3][8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> A A > To: POCA <[4][9]admin at poca.com>; De Tomaso List
> <[5][10]detomaso at poca.com>
>> A A > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:45 AM
>> A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
>> A A > Some members on list are reporting they have voted via a
> Survey
>> A A Monkey
>> A A > link they received which is pinned to their email address
> (thus
>> A A cannot
>> A A > be shared between voters).
>> A A > Were the links mass mailed or being sent individually, I
> have
>> A A received
>> A A > nothing?
>> A A > Thanks,
>> A A > Julian
>> A A > ________________________________________
>> A A > From: POCA <[1][6][11]admin at poca.com>
>> A A > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:38 PM
>> A A > Subject: POCA ELECTION VOTING
>> A A > POCA Members: The expected start of the POCA Elections today
> was
>> A A > flawed
>> A A > due to a failure of the Ballot Bin website through which the
> Bylaws
>> A A > Election
>> A A > was conducted. The election will now be conducted using
> Survey
>> A A Monkey.
>> A A > You should receive an email from Survey Monkey in the next
> 24 hours
>> A A to
>> A A > electronically vote in the POCA Elections.
>> A A > Chuck Engles, Election Committee"
>> A A > If you need details about the Survey
>> A A > Monkey
>> A A > deal, then please contact Ed Mendez, who can answer them.
>> A A > Warmest regards,
>> A A > Chuck Engles
>> A A > _______________________________________________
>> A A > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> A A > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>> A A > DeTomaso mailing list
>> A A > [2][7][12]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> A A > [3][8][13]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> A A > To manage your subscription (change email address,
> unsubscribe, etc.)
>> A A > use the links above.
>> A A >
>> A A > References
>> A A >
>> A A > 1. [9]mailto:[14]admin at poca.com
>> A A > 2. [10]mailto:[15]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> A A > 3.
> [11][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> A A > _______________________________________________
>> A A >
>> A A > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> A A > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>> A A > DeTomaso mailing list
>> A A > [12][17]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> A A > [13][18]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> A A >
>> A A > To manage your subscription (change email address,
> unsubscribe, etc.)
>> A A use the links above.
>>
>> References
>>
>> A A 1. mailto:[19]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
>> A A 2. mailto:[20]forestg at att.net
>> A A 3. mailto:[21]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> A A 4. mailto:[22]admin at poca.com
>> A A 5. mailto:[23]detomaso at poca.com
>> A A 6. mailto:[24]admin at poca.com
>> A A 7. mailto:[25]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> A A 8. [26]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> A A 9. mailto:[27]admin at poca.com
>> A 10. mailto:[28]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> A 11. [29]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> A 12. mailto:[30]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> A 13. [31]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
>> DeTomaso mailing list
>> [32]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> [33]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> etc.) use
>> the links above.
> _______________________________________________
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> [34]DeTomaso at poca.com
> [35]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
> etc.) use the links above.
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
> 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
> 3. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
> 4. http://POCA.COM/
> 5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
> 6. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
> 7. mailto:forestg at att.net
> 8. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 9. mailto:admin at poca.com
> 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 11. mailto:admin at poca.com
> 12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 14. mailto:admin at poca.com
> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 19. mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
> 20. mailto:forestg at att.net
> 21. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 22. mailto:admin at poca.com
> 23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 24. mailto:admin at poca.com
> 25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 26. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 27. mailto:admin at poca.com
> 28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 30. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 31. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 34. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 35. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> _______________________________________________
>
> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at poca.com
> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.
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There is a proper forum on [1]poca.com however not too many people use
it for some reason.
We can all switch over to that and start using it more but it's all up
to us. Keeping this of course because it's in the bylaws to keep this
email list open and free to all.
It is here, lets start using it? Much easier to search through and find
articles. Their is a member only component to it, try it and let me
know.
[2]http://poca.com/index.php/forum/index
Thanks,
Ed
On 4/11/2015, at 04:03, Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
I believe that the idea of the email list is to share information and
attract as many potential members as possible in order to preserve
and
promote the Pantera as a car and deTomaso's heritage in general.
My Pantera has been dead for more than 4 years, I think, while I have
been busy saving the world for reasons I cannot disclose due to
hurting
the sensitivities of some here. If it would not be for the list that
I
almost read daily I would not think that often to fix the Pantera.
Yeah, I am not a paying member, I will be once this Saturday
hopefully
I do not get killed towing the damn thing to the mechanic to have the
fuel injection system installed and brakes fixed.
Keep the list open and stop fighting over inconsequential things and
share the wealth of knowledge we are so fortunate to have due to some
outstanding people here. It is an old car but so very beautiful that
I
believe we can stop for a moment to think how fortunate each and
every
one of us is to have one and how together we can help preserve and
promote it in a world that is full of horrible Japanese cars.
The idea is to be inclusive, not to lock people out for various petty
reasons. I have to remind myself that often when I make various
mistakes for which I have often been forgiven.A
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Will Kooiman
<[1][4]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
When that happens, IA^1m leaving POCA.
I bought my Pantera over a Ferrari, partly because of this e-mail
list.
Not the list itself, but the spirit of helping others.
When you make it a paid-for service, it isnA^1t the same thing.
On 11/3/15, 6:30 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mikael"
<[2][5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of
[3][6]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> wrote:
A A Well, times change, even for us? The email list is on
[4][7]POCA.COM. So I
A A hope the new management will either close it so the non-payers
start to
A A pay for the services they use. Quite basic. Nothing is free.
A A Or of course, even better, get a proper forum up and running
with
A A alerts, daily summaries, pictures, easy lookup functions (just
like PI
A A Forum) and let the free riders use the 1996 technology J
A A Mvh/Regards
A A Mikael
A A Fra: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:[5][8]asajay at asajay.com]
A A Sendt: 2. november 2015 23:15
A A Til: Mikael
A A Cc: De Tomaso List
A A Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
A A Hi Mikael,
A A This email list was started by Shane Ingate back in 1996 (or
so)/and
A A was open to all DeTomaso enthusiasts.A No membership
required, no dues
A A and ownership was not a prerequisite.A At the time, the email
forum
A A software was being hosted on a private server.A It had zero
association
A A with POCA other than some POCA members were part of the list.
A A The server hosting and ownership changed a few times before
the latest
A A transfer.A That latest transfer came about through an
agreement with
A A POCA that it could be hosted on the POCA server, but that the
list
A A itself remain open to anyone and everyone that wished to join
and talk
A A about DeTomaso automobiles AND that it never required
membership in
A A POCA.
A A It started as a non-POCA email list and it's supposed to
remain that
A A way.
A A AsaA Jay
A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
A A Mikael <[1][6][9]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> wrote:
A A Sitting following this from across the pond is both
entertaining and a
A A bit puzzling. When I read the candidates statements, e.g.
making the
A A brand better known, I'm thinking why? The definition of a club
is that
A A members pay money and get benefits that nonmembers don't get.
Like
A A magazines, forum/mail list, discounts, events, help and
advice. So dear
A A candidates, what will you work on that benefits ME, a paying
member? I
A A get most of what I listed above, but I can't buy apparel since
we've
A A moved away from cheques decades ago, and am I right in
understanding
A A that several non-members use this mail list? If they don't
pay, they
A A should be locked out. Members only.
A A Membership value should be optimized, that's any club
management's
A A first priority IMHO
A A Happy voting
A A Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
A A A Original Message
A A From: Mike Drew
A A Sent: mandag den 2. november 2015 19.14
A A To: Forest Goodhart
A A Cc: Julian Kift; POCA; De Tomaso List
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
A A Forest,
A A But did you get two of them, one for yourself and one for your
A A associate? Or did your associate get one of her own? Or does
the single
A A survey afford the opportunity for both parties to vote on a
single
A A ballot?
A A I haven't been able to look at mine yet although I did receive
A A it...just wondering what to expect.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:01, Forest Goodhart
<[2][7][10]forestg at att.net> wrote:
A A > Mine showed up in my spam folder. Check there.
A A >
__________________________________________________________________
A A >
A A > From: Julian Kift <[3][8][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A > To: POCA <[4][9][12]admin at poca.com>; De Tomaso List
<[5][10][13]detomaso at poca.com>
A A > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:45 AM
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
A A > Some members on list are reporting they have voted via a
Survey
A A Monkey
A A > link they received which is pinned to their email address
(thus
A A cannot
A A > be shared between voters).
A A > Were the links mass mailed or being sent individually, I
have
A A received
A A > nothing?
A A > Thanks,
A A > Julian
A A > ________________________________________
A A > From: POCA <[1][6][11][14]admin at poca.com>
A A > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:38 PM
A A > Subject: POCA ELECTION VOTING
A A > POCA Members: The expected start of the POCA Elections today
was
A A > flawed
A A > due to a failure of the Ballot Bin website through which the
Bylaws
A A > Election
A A > was conducted. The election will now be conducted using
Survey
A A Monkey.
A A > You should receive an email from Survey Monkey in the next
24 hours
A A to
A A > electronically vote in the POCA Elections.
A A > Chuck Engles, Election Committee"
A A > If you need details about the Survey
A A > Monkey
A A > deal, then please contact Ed Mendez, who can answer them.
A A > Warmest regards,
A A > Chuck Engles
A A > _______________________________________________
A A > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
A A > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
A A > DeTomaso mailing list
A A > [2][7][12][15]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A >
[3][8][13][16]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A > To manage your subscription (change email address,
unsubscribe, etc.)
A A > use the links above.
A A >
A A > References
A A >
A A > 1. [9]mailto:[14][17]admin at poca.com
A A > 2. [10]mailto:[15][18]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A > 3.
[11][16][19]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A > _______________________________________________
A A >
A A > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
A A > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
A A > DeTomaso mailing list
A A > [12][17][20]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A >
[13][18][21]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A >
A A > To manage your subscription (change email address,
unsubscribe, etc.)
A A use the links above.
References
A A 1. mailto:[19][22]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
A A 2. mailto:[20][23]forestg at att.net
A A 3. mailto:[21][24]julian_kift at hotmail.com
A A 4. mailto:[22][25]admin at poca.com
A A 5. mailto:[23][26]detomaso at poca.com
A A 6. mailto:[24][27]admin at poca.com
A A 7. mailto:[25][28]DeTomaso at poca.com
A A 8. [26][29]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A A 9. mailto:[27][30]admin at poca.com
A 10. mailto:[28][31]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 11. [29][32]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
A 12. mailto:[30][33]DeTomaso at poca.com
A 13. [31][34]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
DeTomaso mailing list
[32][35]DeTomaso at poca.com
[33][36]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
etc.) use
the links above.
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
DeTomaso mailing list
[34][37]DeTomaso at poca.com
[35][38]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
etc.) use the links above.
References
1. [39]mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
2. [40]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
3. [41]mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
4. [42]http://POCA.COM/
5. [43]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
6. [44]mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
7. [45]mailto:forestg at att.net
8. [46]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
9. [47]mailto:admin at poca.com
10. [48]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
11. [49]mailto:admin at poca.com
12. [50]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
13. [51]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
14. [52]mailto:admin at poca.com
15. [53]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
16. [54]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
17. [55]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
18. [56]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
19. [57]mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk
20. [58]mailto:forestg at att.net
21. [59]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
22. [60]mailto:admin at poca.com
23. [61]mailto:detomaso at poca.com
24. [62]mailto:admin at poca.com
25. [63]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
26. [64]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
27. [65]mailto:admin at poca.com
28. [66]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
29. [67]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
30. [68]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
31. [69]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
32. [70]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
33. [71]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
34. [72]mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
35. [73]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
_______________________________________________
Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
DeTomaso mailing list
[74]DeTomaso at poca.com
http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
use the links above.
References
1. http://poca.com/
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