[DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
Dave Londry
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Mon Mar 9 01:07:05 EDT 2015
One more thought for this topic.
Using a plastic clutch alignment tool, I had a couple of hours worth of
failures.
Then Doh! I realized that the friggin tool was flexing.
So I hung the ZF vertically, so the clutch plate was horizontal, and got
it first try.
dave
On 08/03/2015 9:34 PM, Mike Reilly wrote:
> Thanks for all the tips everyone. Next time I have the zf out I'll
> definitely use some of these tricks. My dowel pins were still there
> and it looks like my alignment if good. A test drive today showed
> everything working as it should. I also like Mike Drewas idea of
> using studs to help guide the transaxle to the engine. Thanks, mike
> From: [1]detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: aSundaya, aMarcha a08a, a2015 a8a:a36a aPM
> To: [2]Stephen Nelson, [3]detomaso at poca.com
>
> I know I am late to the party, but MAKE SURE the dowel pins on the
> engine/ZF mounting surfaces are present. Failure to do so may cause the
> ZF input shaft and the crank shaft to be on a SLIGHTLY different plane.
> Yes, they will fit together, but the ever so slight alignment error
> will cause premature main bearing wear.
> Ron #2492
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
> Date: 03/08/2015 7:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
> Glad to hear that worked for you Tony - same way I did 5332 a few
> months
> ago....
> Stephen Nelson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> DiGiovanna
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 4:57 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
> FWIW, I have always centered my clutch disc by hand just before
> tightening
> the clutch assy mounting bolts. I use my finger tips to gauge even
> distance all around the perimeter relative to the clutch plate. I have
> never failed to get the ZF in with this method.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Drew via
> DeTomaso
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 6:09 PM
> To: Michael Shortt
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
> Michael,
> If the clutch has not been disturbed that tool has zero function. It's
> sole
> purpose is to center the clutch disc before the pressure plate bolts
> are
> tightened against the flywheel.
> He said he only removed the gearbox. So the clutch is undisturbed.
> The problem he's having is caused by very slight angular mismatch
> between
> the engine and gearbox combined with slight rotational misalignment of
> the
> input shaft relative to the clutch disc. Sometimes it takes 30 seconds
> to
> slide a gearbox in place; other times it can take 30 minutes. It just
> needs
> trial and error.
> I make it easier by cutting the heads off long bolts and grinding a
> taper,
> then threading the bolts into the block. I then slide the bell housing
> over
> the bolts so it is perfectly lined up. Then slide it forward, lift or
> lower
> the tail as necessary so the input shaft starts to enter, then put the
> gearbox in gear and rotate the output flanges slightly to rotate the
> input
> shaft until it snicks into place.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 7, 2015, at 15:18, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > You really do need a clutch alignment tool like this one.
> >
> >
> [1]http://www.finditparts.com/products/4486741/kd-tools-kds2420?srcid=C
> >
> HL01SCL010-Npla-Dmdt-Gusa-Svbr-Mmuu-K4486741&gclid=CKe1lLWVl8QCFVAvgQod
> > EC0Apg
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2015 4:04 PM, "Andy May" <[2]andymay24 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A When I did mine I had similar problems and just had to keep
> > jigging it
> > A A around until it went in. I assume you have used a clutch
> > alugnment tool
> > A A to set the clutch plate first? If not, then you need to or
> > you'll be
> > A A there for ever......
> > A A Andy
> > A A On Mar 7, 2015 8:55 PM, "Mike Reilly"
> <[1][3]reillyms at live.com>
> > wrote:
> > A A >
> > A A > AA A Hi all.AA I just had my ZF safety wired and now Iam
> > installing
> > A A it.AA All
> > A A > AA A is well except the shaft (with teeth see pic) from
> the
> > ZF will
> > A A not
> > A A > AA A align to go into the opening (to accept the teeth)
> in
> > the engine
> > A A > AA A (center of clutch and flywheel).AA I did some trial
> > and error to
> > A A get
> > A A > AA A them to align but no luck.AA A I assume the ZF
> should
> > slip in
> > A A once these
> > A A > AA A teeth are aligned.AA I have the engine mount bolts
> > loose enough
> > A A so the
> > A A > AA A engine is tilted and it aligns nicely to the case
> > coming in.AA I
> > A A just
> > A A > AA A get stopped by the teeth from the ZF entering into
> the
> > motor.A
> > A A This is
> > A A > AA A my first time doing thisa|.is there some trick to
> avoid
> > constant
> > A A trail
> > A A > AA A and error by slightly rotating the ZF shaft and
> trying
> > over and
> > A A over?
> > A A > AA A Thanks, Mike
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One more thought for this topic.
Using a plastic clutch alignment tool, I had a couple of hours worth of
failures.
Then Doh! I realized that the friggin tool was flexing.
So I hung the ZF vertically, so the clutch plate was horizontal, and
got it first try.
dave
On 08/03/2015 9:34 PM, Mike Reilly wrote:
Thanks for all the tips everyone. Next time I have the zf out I'll
definitely use some of these tricks. My dowel pins were still there
and it looks like my alignment if good. A test drive today showed
everything working as it should. I also like Mike Drewas idea of
using studs to help guide the transaxle to the engine. Thanks, mike
From: [[1]1]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: aSundaya, aMarcha a08a, a2015 a8a:a36a aPM
To: [2]Stephen Nelson, [[2]3]detomaso at poca.com
I know I am late to the party, but MAKE SURE the dowel pins on the
engine/ZF mounting surfaces are present. Failure to do so may cause the
ZF input shaft and the crank shaft to be on a SLIGHTLY different plane.
Yes, they will fit together, but the ever so slight alignment error
will cause premature main bearing wear.
Ron #2492
-------- Original message --------
From: Stephen [3]<steve at snclocks.com>
Date: 03/08/2015 7:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
Glad to hear that worked for you Tony - same way I did 5332 a few
months
ago....
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[4][5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tony
DiGiovanna
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 4:57 PM
To: [6]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
FWIW, I have always centered my clutch disc by hand just before
tightening
the clutch assy mounting bolts. I use my finger tips to gauge even
distance all around the perimeter relative to the clutch plate. I have
never failed to get the ZF in with this method.
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[5][7]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Drew via
DeTomaso
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 6:09 PM
To: Michael Shortt
Cc: [8]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
Michael,
If the clutch has not been disturbed that tool has zero function. It's
sole
purpose is to center the clutch disc before the pressure plate bolts
are
tightened against the flywheel.
He said he only removed the gearbox. So the clutch is undisturbed.
The problem he's having is caused by very slight angular mismatch
between
the engine and gearbox combined with slight rotational misalignment of
the
input shaft relative to the clutch disc. Sometimes it takes 30 seconds
to
slide a gearbox in place; other times it can take 30 minutes. It just
needs
trial and error.
I make it easier by cutting the heads off long bolts and grinding a
taper,
then threading the bolts into the block. I then slide the bell housing
over
the bolts so it is perfectly lined up. Then slide it forward, lift or
lower
the tail as necessary so the input shaft starts to enter, then put the
gearbox in gear and rotate the output flanges slightly to rotate the
input
shaft until it snicks into place.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 7, 2015, at 15:18, Michael Shortt [9]<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:
> You really do need a clutch alignment tool like this one.
>
>
[1][10]http://www.finditparts.com/products/4486741/kd-tools-kds2420?srcid=C
>
HL01SCL010-Npla-Dmdt-Gusa-Svbr-Mmuu-K4486741&gclid=CKe1lLWVl8QCFVAvgQod
> EC0Apg
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Mar 7, 2015 4:04 PM, "Andy May" [11]<[2]andymay24 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A A When I did mine I had similar problems and just had to keep
> jigging it
> A A around until it went in. I assume you have used a clutch
> alugnment tool
> A A to set the clutch plate first? If not, then you need to or
> you'll be
> A A there for ever......
> A A Andy
> A A On Mar 7, 2015 8:55 PM, "Mike Reilly"
[12]<[1][3]reillyms at live.com>
> wrote:
> A A >
> A A > AA A Hi all.AA I just had my ZF safety wired and now Iam
> installing
> A A it.AA All
> A A > AA A is well except the shaft (with teeth see pic) from
the
> ZF will
> A A not
> A A > AA A align to go into the opening (to accept the teeth)
in
> the engine
> A A > AA A (center of clutch and flywheel).AA I did some trial
> and error to
> A A get
> A A > AA A them to align but no luck.AA A I assume the ZF
should
> slip in
> A A once these
> A A > AA A teeth are aligned.AA I have the engine mount bolts
> loose enough
> A A so the
> A A > AA A engine is tilted and it aligns nicely to the case
> coming in.AA I
> A A just
> A A > AA A get stopped by the teeth from the ZF entering into
the
> motor.A
> A A This is
> A A > AA A my first time doing thisa|.is there some trick to
avoid
> constant
> A A trail
> A A > AA A and error by slightly rotating the ZF shaft and
trying
> over and
> A A over?
> A A > AA A Thanks, Mike
> A A >
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