[DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck

Mike Reilly reillyms at live.com
Mon Mar 9 00:34:31 EDT 2015


Thanks for all the tips everyone.  Next time I have the zf out I'll definitely use some of these tricks.  My dowel pins were still there and it looks like my alignment if good.  A test drive today showed everything working as it should.   I also like Mike Drew’s idea of using studs to help guide the transaxle to the engine.  Thanks, mike





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Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎March‎ ‎08‎, ‎2015 ‎8‎:‎36‎ ‎PM
To: Stephen Nelson, detomaso at poca.com






    

I know I am late to the party, but MAKE SURE the dowel pins on the engine/ZF mounting surfaces are present. Failure to do so may cause the ZF input shaft and the crank shaft to be on a SLIGHTLY different plane. Yes, they will fit together, but the ever so slight alignment error will cause premature main bearing wear.

Ron #2492

-------- Original message --------
From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com> 
Date: 03/08/2015  7:53 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: detomaso at poca.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck 

Glad to hear that worked for you Tony - same way I did 5332  a few months
ago....

Stephen Nelson


-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tony
DiGiovanna
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 4:57 PM
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck

FWIW, I have always centered my clutch disc by hand just before tightening
the clutch assy mounting bolts.  I use my finger tips to gauge  even
distance all around the perimeter relative to the clutch plate.  I have
never failed to get the ZF in with this method.

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 6:09 PM
To: Michael Shortt
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck

Michael,

If the clutch has not been disturbed that tool has zero function. It's sole
purpose is to center the clutch disc before the pressure plate bolts are
tightened against the flywheel. 

He said he only removed the gearbox. So the clutch is undisturbed. 

The problem he's having is caused by very slight angular mismatch between
the engine and gearbox combined with slight rotational misalignment of the
input shaft relative to the clutch disc. Sometimes it takes 30 seconds to
slide a gearbox in place; other times it can take 30 minutes. It just needs
trial and error. 

I make it easier by cutting the heads off long bolts and grinding a taper,
then threading the bolts into the block. I then slide the bell housing over
the bolts so it is perfectly lined up. Then slide it forward, lift or lower
the tail as necessary so the input shaft starts to enter, then put the
gearbox in gear and rotate the output flanges slightly to rotate the input
shaft until it snicks into place.

Mike



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On Mar 7, 2015, at 15:18, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:

>   You really do need a clutch alignment tool like this one.
> 
>   [1]http://www.finditparts.com/products/4486741/kd-tools-kds2420?srcid=C
>   HL01SCL010-Npla-Dmdt-Gusa-Svbr-Mmuu-K4486741&gclid=CKe1lLWVl8QCFVAvgQod
>   EC0Apg
> 
>   Michael Shortt
> 
>   On Mar 7, 2015 4:04 PM, "Andy May" <[2]andymay24 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     A  A When I did mine I had similar problems and just had to keep
>     jigging it
>     A  A around until it went in. I assume you have used a clutch
>     alugnment tool
>     A  A to set the clutch plate first? If not, then you need to or
>     you'll be
>     A  A there for ever......
>     A  A Andy
>     A  A On Mar 7, 2015 8:55 PM, "Mike Reilly" <[1][3]reillyms at live.com>
>     wrote:
>     A  A >
>     A  A > AA  A Hi all.AA  I just had my ZF safety wired and now Iam
>     installing
>     A  A it.AA  All
>     A  A > AA  A is well except the shaft (with teeth see pic) from the
>     ZF will
>     A  A not
>     A  A > AA  A align to go into the opening (to accept the teeth) in
>     the engine
>     A  A > AA  A (center of clutch and flywheel).AA  I did some trial
>     and error to
>     A  A get
>     A  A > AA  A them to align but no luck.AA  A I assume the ZF should
>     slip in
>     A  A once these
>     A  A > AA  A teeth are aligned.AA  I have the engine mount bolts
>     loose enough
>     A  A so the
>     A  A > AA  A engine is tilted and it aligns nicely to the case
>     coming in.AA  I
>     A  A just
>     A  A > AA  A get stopped by the teeth from the ZF entering into the
>     motor.A
>     A  A This is
>     A  A > AA  A my first time doing thisa|.is there some trick to avoid
>     constant
>     A  A trail
>     A  A > AA  A and error by slightly rotating the ZF shaft and trying
>     over and
>     A  A over?
>     A  A > AA  A Thanks, Mike
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   Thanks for all the tips everyone.  Next time I have the zf out I'll
   definitely use some of these tricks.  My dowel pins were still there
   and it looks like my alignment if good.  A test drive today showed
   everything working as it should.   I also like Mike Drewas idea of
   using studs to help guide the transaxle to the engine.  Thanks, mike
   From: [1]detomaso at poca.com
   Sent: aSundaya, aMarcha a08a, a2015 a8a:a36a aPM
   To: [2]Stephen Nelson, [3]detomaso at poca.com

   I know I am late to the party, but MAKE SURE the dowel pins on the
   engine/ZF mounting surfaces are present. Failure to do so may cause the
   ZF input shaft and the crank shaft to be on a SLIGHTLY different plane.
   Yes, they will fit together, but the ever so slight alignment error
   will cause premature main bearing wear.
   Ron #2492
   -------- Original message --------
   From: Stephen <steve at snclocks.com>
   Date: 03/08/2015  7:53 PM  (GMT-08:00)
   To: detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
   Glad to hear that worked for you Tony - same way I did 5332  a few
   months
   ago....
   Stephen Nelson
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Tony
   DiGiovanna
   Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 4:57 PM
   To: detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
   FWIW, I have always centered my clutch disc by hand just before
   tightening
   the clutch assy mounting bolts.  I use my finger tips to gauge  even
   distance all around the perimeter relative to the clutch plate.  I have
   never failed to get the ZF in with this method.
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[5]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike
   Drew via
   DeTomaso
   Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 6:09 PM
   To: Michael Shortt
   Cc: detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Help Needed! Installing ZF Today and Stuck
   Michael,
   If the clutch has not been disturbed that tool has zero function. It's
   sole
   purpose is to center the clutch disc before the pressure plate bolts
   are
   tightened against the flywheel.
   He said he only removed the gearbox. So the clutch is undisturbed.
   The problem he's having is caused by very slight angular mismatch
   between
   the engine and gearbox combined with slight rotational misalignment of
   the
   input shaft relative to the clutch disc. Sometimes it takes 30 seconds
   to
   slide a gearbox in place; other times it can take 30 minutes. It just
   needs
   trial and error.
   I make it easier by cutting the heads off long bolts and grinding a
   taper,
   then threading the bolts into the block. I then slide the bell housing
   over
   the bolts so it is perfectly lined up. Then slide it forward, lift or
   lower
   the tail as necessary so the input shaft starts to enter, then put the
   gearbox in gear and rotate the output flanges slightly to rotate the
   input
   shaft until it snicks into place.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Mar 7, 2015, at 15:18, Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >   You really do need a clutch alignment tool like this one.
   >
   >
   [1]http://www.finditparts.com/products/4486741/kd-tools-kds2420?srcid=C
   >
   HL01SCL010-Npla-Dmdt-Gusa-Svbr-Mmuu-K4486741&gclid=CKe1lLWVl8QCFVAvgQod
   >   EC0Apg
   >
   >   Michael Shortt
   >
   >   On Mar 7, 2015 4:04 PM, "Andy May" <[2]andymay24 at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >     A  A When I did mine I had similar problems and just had to keep
   >     jigging it
   >     A  A around until it went in. I assume you have used a clutch
   >     alugnment tool
   >     A  A to set the clutch plate first? If not, then you need to or
   >     you'll be
   >     A  A there for ever......
   >     A  A Andy
   >     A  A On Mar 7, 2015 8:55 PM, "Mike Reilly"
   <[1][3]reillyms at live.com>
   >     wrote:
   >     A  A >
   >     A  A > AA  A Hi all.AA  I just had my ZF safety wired and now Iam
   >     installing
   >     A  A it.AA  All
   >     A  A > AA  A is well except the shaft (with teeth see pic) from
   the
   >     ZF will
   >     A  A not
   >     A  A > AA  A align to go into the opening (to accept the teeth)
   in
   >     the engine
   >     A  A > AA  A (center of clutch and flywheel).AA  I did some trial
   >     and error to
   >     A  A get
   >     A  A > AA  A them to align but no luck.AA  A I assume the ZF
   should
   >     slip in
   >     A  A once these
   >     A  A > AA  A teeth are aligned.AA  I have the engine mount bolts
   >     loose enough
   >     A  A so the
   >     A  A > AA  A engine is tilted and it aligns nicely to the case
   >     coming in.AA  I
   >     A  A just
   >     A  A > AA  A get stopped by the teeth from the ZF entering into
   the
   >     motor.A
   >     A  A This is
   >     A  A > AA  A my first time doing thisa|.is there some trick to
   avoid
   >     constant
   >     A  A trail
   >     A  A > AA  A and error by slightly rotating the ZF shaft and
   trying
   >     over and
   >     A  A over?
   >     A  A > AA  A Thanks, Mike
   >     A  A >
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   HL01SCL0
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   >   2. [7]mailto:andymay24 at gmail.com
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