[DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Jun 21 23:26:31 EDT 2015 

Personally I am not a fan of the front trunk triangulation brace, IMO it just eats up valuable trunk space in a piece of the chassis that is very rigid by design already (the front 'tub' is exactly that a 4 sided formed tub). If you want to do anything up front I suggest use the under car brace that ties the two chassis rails together near the water pipes. It used to be a part of Hall/Byers 4 piece kit, I'm not sure if it is available individually but wouldn't be hard to fabricate.
http://precisionproformance.com/sc1000.php

Julian

From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 03:13:19 +0000
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
CC: detomaso at poca.com

So would you suggest I do the front also?   Don Byars (as you said) suggests it and only sells and installs both.
 
Not putting my P on the track any more.  But I do want to get the paint touched up after I solve this problem.
 
 
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  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
  to contact us!"
 
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From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:51 PM
To: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>, "<detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
 
Terry,
 
I don't know if anybody can definitively prove that but anecdotal evidence suggests that yes, it will stiffen the rear enough to solve that chronic problem. I run my car hard on the track with slicks (admittedly only a few times) and have had no cracks there.
 
My A pillars where they join the too of the fenders are cracked to hell though. Larry Stock once actually snapped one clean off while running his car hard with slicks, before they invented the chassis stiffening kits....I had yet to install the front half of my kit. Must get on that someday....
 
Mike
 
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On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:45, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
 
Good Stuff.
 
Does anyone know if this will prevent the stress cracks I see on my Pantera on the body, right at the top of the
rear deck lid?
 
Terry
 
 
 
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
  to contact us!"
 
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JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
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Cc: "<detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
 
You are correct. Tuesday through Friday from 10-4 or thereabouts.
 
Oddly, they no longer show the whole kit on the website. They only show the upper bar, and it's not the square bar they used to sell. Instead it's a round tube, of the type which comprises a portion of the Byars upper rear kit.
 
I maintain that the original hall setup, consisting of a square tube upper and round lower, with a pair of triangulation tubes between them, is the ultimate setup. If the upper and lower parts are not connected to one another with these tubes, the effectiveness is drastically reduced, to the point where I would suggest that the lower piece is just a waste of time, and serves as little more than ballast.
 
Mike
 
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On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:15, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:
 
Dear Asa and Mike:  I shall call Hall Pantera tomorrow.....but I seem to
recall that they're closed on Mondays??    Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:12 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
Chuck,
I think Hall sells the individual pieces. I know Byars does not.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:05, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
  Dear Forum,
                                  Maybe the picture will come through.
  I am trying to find an accessory rear engine bay brace like the one in
  the picture.   Does anyone know if the vendors still offer it?   When I
  checked recently, it didn't seem to be available and the only thing
  that was available was the complete front-rear-top-bottom Pantera
  chassis stiffening kit.   No pieces sold separately.   I would like to
  find one.
                                                         Warmest regards,
  Chuck Engles
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   Personally I am not a fan of the front trunk triangulation brace, IMO
   it just eats up valuable trunk space in a piece of the chassis that is
   very rigid by design already (the front 'tub' is exactly that a 4 sided
   formed tub). If you want to do anything up front I suggest use the
   under car brace that ties the two chassis rails together near the water
   pipes. It used to be a part of Hall/Byers 4 piece kit, I'm not sure if
   it is available individually but wouldn't be hard to fabricate.
   [1]http://precisionproformance.com/sc1000.php
   Julian
   From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
   To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
   Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 03:13:19 +0000
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
   CC: detomaso at poca.com
So would you suggest I do the front also?   Don Byars (as you said) suggests it
and only sells and installs both.

Not putting my P on the track any more.  But I do want to get the paint touched
up after I solve this problem.


"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
  to contact us!"

Terry W. Himes [cid:B9DF9D05-7D0A-4C3C-82FD-AACCD58D11D9]
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
 Regional indicator for USA

From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:51 PM
To: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>, "<detomaso at p
oca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace

Terry,

I don't know if anybody can definitively prove that but anecdotal evidence sugge
sts that yes, it will stiffen the rear enough to solve that chronic problem. I r
un my car hard on the track with slicks (admittedly only a few times) and have h
ad no cracks there.

My A pillars where they join the too of the fenders are cracked to hell though.
Larry Stock once actually snapped one clean off while running his car hard with
slicks, before they invented the chassis stiffening kits....I had yet to install
 the front half of my kit. Must get on that someday....

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:45, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailt
o:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:

Good Stuff.

Does anyone know if this will prevent the stress cracks I see on my Pantera on t
he body, right at the top of the
rear deck lid?

Terry



"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
  to contact us!"

Terry W. Himes <03F35E2B-1DAE-4631-84D9-B3D240A22161[14].png>
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
 Regional indicator for USA

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on
behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:42 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
Cc: "<detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:de
tomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace

You are correct. Tuesday through Friday from 10-4 or thereabouts.

Oddly, they no longer show the whole kit on the website. They only show the uppe
r bar, and it's not the square bar they used to sell. Instead it's a round tube,
 of the type which comprises a portion of the Byars upper rear kit.

I maintain that the original hall setup, consisting of a square tube upper and r
ound lower, with a pair of triangulation tubes between them, is the ultimate set
up. If the upper and lower parts are not connected to one another with these tub
es, the effectiveness is drastically reduced, to the point where I would suggest
 that the lower piece is just a waste of time, and serves as little more than ba
llast.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:15, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at a
sajay.com>> wrote:

Dear Asa and Mike:  I shall call Hall Pantera tomorrow.....but I seem to
recall that they're closed on Mondays??    Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:12 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
Chuck,
I think Hall sells the individual pieces. I know Byars does not.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:05, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.
net>> wrote:
  Dear Forum,
                                  Maybe the picture will come through.
  I am trying to find an accessory rear engine bay brace like the one in
  the picture.   Does anyone know if the vendors still offer it?   When I
  checked recently, it didn't seem to be available and the only thing
  that was available was the complete front-rear-top-bottom Pantera
  chassis stiffening kit.   No pieces sold separately.   I would like to
  find one.
                                                         Warmest regards,
  Chuck Engles
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