[DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
Kirby Schrader
kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Mon Jun 22 12:19:47 EDT 2015
Getting in on this way late, but my two cents are:
1) The 'lower upper' rear brace is probably the best part of the Hall kit.
I bought the entire kit back in the 90's and, because my car was my daily
driver, the kit got installed one piece at a time.
I've told the story a lot, but there was a diagonal dip across one street I
frequented and I had gotten used to having steer the car through the dip.
It wanted to 'go places'. I already had the square 'upper upper' brace that
replaces the stock bar, but once the 'lower upper' brace was installed, the
next morning drive to work was a wakeup, literally. As I approached the
diagonal dip, habit made me start to auto correct for what I knew the car
would do going through the dip.
I almost went over the curb.... The car just drove straight through the
dip! Amazing!
And I hadn't even put the triangular bracing between the two in yet...
I think, as Gary says, that the wheel housings have no support for the rear
mount of the A-arm and the rear of the wheel housing just flexes. Thereby
changing your toe-in/out while driving. The small 'lower upper' brace fixes
that very nicely.
2) I agree with Julian. I'm not sure the upper front does a whole hell of a
lot... other than take up space.
3) I bought the 'lower upper' stand alone from Hall for the race car about
a year ago. She did say they had a limited stock due to the same reasons
stated. Their supplier had quit doing them.
4) I had cracks appear in my rear tail light areas and they were growing.
Once I installed the chassis kit, they stopped growing. Got them repaired
and so far, no cracks. I can't comment on the upper cracks. Quella did his
'star' reinforcement thing back when I had the car restored in 1984. I
haven't had any cracks appear there.
5) Dylan has the Byers chassis kit with the round 'upper upper' rear and I
agree with Mike Drew. The square type fits into the opening better and you
can actually push on the wheel house instead of relying only on slots in
the tabs.
OK, I'll crawl back in my corner now.
Kirby
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Personally I am not a fan of the front trunk triangulation brace, IMO
> it just eats up valuable trunk space in a piece of the chassis that is
> very rigid by design already (the front 'tub' is exactly that a 4 sided
> formed tub). If you want to do anything up front I suggest use the
> under car brace that ties the two chassis rails together near the water
> pipes. It used to be a part of Hall/Byers 4 piece kit, I'm not sure if
> it is available individually but wouldn't be hard to fabricate.
> [1]http://precisionproformance.com/sc1000.php
> Julian
> From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 03:13:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> So would you suggest I do the front also? Don Byars (as you said)
> suggests it
> and only sells and installs both.
>
> Not putting my P on the track any more. But I do want to get the paint
> touched
> up after I solve this problem.
>
>
> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
> to contact us!"
>
> Terry W. Himes [cid:B9DF9D05-7D0A-4C3C-82FD-AACCD58D11D9]
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Regional indicator for USA
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:51 PM
> To: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> >>
> Cc: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>,
> "<detomaso at p
> oca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:
> detomaso at poca.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
>
> Terry,
>
> I don't know if anybody can definitively prove that but anecdotal evidence
> sugge
> sts that yes, it will stiffen the rear enough to solve that chronic
> problem. I r
> un my car hard on the track with slicks (admittedly only a few times) and
> have h
> ad no cracks there.
>
> My A pillars where they join the too of the fenders are cracked to hell
> though.
> Larry Stock once actually snapped one clean off while running his car hard
> with
> slicks, before they invented the chassis stiffening kits....I had yet to
> install
> the front half of my kit. Must get on that someday....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:45, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> <mailt
> o:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
>
> Good Stuff.
>
> Does anyone know if this will prevent the stress cracks I see on my
> Pantera on t
> he body, right at the top of the
> rear deck lid?
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
> exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
> to contact us!"
>
> Terry W. Himes <03F35E2B-1DAE-4631-84D9-B3D240A22161[14].png>
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> InSight Sequence Team Lead
> Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> Fax: (818) 393-3147
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Regional indicator for USA
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>>
> on
> behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:
> detomaso at poca.com>>
> Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:42 PM
> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
> Cc: "<detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>" <detomaso at poca.com
> <mailto:de
> tomaso at poca.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
>
> You are correct. Tuesday through Friday from 10-4 or thereabouts.
>
> Oddly, they no longer show the whole kit on the website. They only show
> the uppe
> r bar, and it's not the square bar they used to sell. Instead it's a round
> tube,
> of the type which comprises a portion of the Byars upper rear kit.
>
> I maintain that the original hall setup, consisting of a square tube upper
> and r
> ound lower, with a pair of triangulation tubes between them, is the
> ultimate set
> up. If the upper and lower parts are not connected to one another with
> these tub
> es, the effectiveness is drastically reduced, to the point where I would
> suggest
> that the lower piece is just a waste of time, and serves as little more
> than ba
> llast.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:15, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:
> asajay at a
> sajay.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Asa and Mike: I shall call Hall Pantera tomorrow.....but I seem to
> recall that they're closed on Mondays?? Chuck Engles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:12 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
> Chuck,
> I think Hall sells the individual pieces. I know Byars does not.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:05, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net<mailto:
> cengles at cox.
> net>> wrote:
> Dear Forum,
> Maybe the picture will come through.
> I am trying to find an accessory rear engine bay brace like the one in
> the picture. Does anyone know if the vendors still offer it? When I
> checked recently, it didn't seem to be available and the only thing
> that was available was the complete front-rear-top-bottom Pantera
> chassis stiffening kit. No pieces sold separately. I would like to
> find one.
> Warmest regards,
> Chuck Engles
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Getting in on this way late, but my two cents are:
1) The 'lower upper' rear brace is probably the best part of the Hall
kit. I bought the entire kit back in the 90's and, because my car was
my daily driver, the kit got installed one piece at a time.
I've told the story a lot, but there was a diagonal dip across one
street I frequented and I had gotten used to having steer the car
through the dip. It wanted to 'go places'. I already had the square
'upper upper' brace that replaces the stock bar, but once the 'lower
upper' brace was installed, the next morning drive to work was a
wakeup, literally. As I approached the diagonal dip, habit made me
start to auto correct for what I knew the car would do going through
the dip.
I almost went over the curb.... The car just drove straight through the
dip! Amazing!
And I hadn't even put the triangular bracing between the two in yet...
I think, as Gary says, that the wheel housings have no support for the
rear mount of the A-arm and the rear of the wheel housing just flexes.
Thereby changing your toe-in/out while driving. The small 'lower upper'
brace fixes that very nicely.
2) I agree with Julian. I'm not sure the upper front does a whole hell
of a lot... other than take up space.
3) I bought the 'lower upper' stand alone from Hall for the race car
about a year ago. She did say they had a limited stock due to the same
reasons stated. Their supplier had quit doing them.
4) I had cracks appear in my rear tail light areas and they were
growing. Once I installed the chassis kit, they stopped growing. Got
them repaired and so far, no cracks. I can't comment on the upper
cracks. Quella did his 'star' reinforcement thing back when I had the
car restored in 1984. I haven't had any cracks appear there.
5) Dylan has the Byers chassis kit with the round 'upper upper' rear
and I agree with Mike Drew. The square type fits into the opening
better and you can actually push on the wheel house instead of relying
only on slots in the tabs.
OK, I'll crawl back in my corner now.
Kirby
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Personally I am not a fan of the front trunk triangulation
brace, IMO
A A it just eats up valuable trunk space in a piece of the chassis
that is
A A very rigid by design already (the front 'tub' is exactly that a
4 sided
A A formed tub). If you want to do anything up front I suggest use
the
A A under car brace that ties the two chassis rails together near
the water
A A pipes. It used to be a part of Hall/Byers 4 piece kit, I'm not
sure if
A A it is available individually but wouldn't be hard to fabricate.
A A [1][2]http://precisionproformance.com/sc1000.php
A A Julian
A A From: [3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A To: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com
A A Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 03:13:19 +0000
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
A A CC: [5]detomaso at poca.com
So would you suggest I do the front also?A A Don Byars (as you
said) suggests it
and only sells and installs both.
Not putting my P on the track any more.A But I do want to get the
paint touched
up after I solve this problem.
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
A to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes [cid:B9DF9D05-7D0A-4C3C-82FD-AACCD58D11D9]
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213
Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147
[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
A Regional indicator for USA
From: Mike Drew <[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:51 PM
To: Terry Himes
<[10]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[11]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Asa Jay Laughton
<[12]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:[13]asajay at asajay.com>>, "<detomaso at p
[14]oca.com<mailto:[15]detomaso at poca.com>>"
<[16]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[17]detomaso at poca.com>
>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
Terry,
I don't know if anybody can definitively prove that but anecdotal
evidence sugge
sts that yes, it will stiffen the rear enough to solve that chronic
problem. I r
un my car hard on the track with slicks (admittedly only a few
times) and have h
ad no cracks there.
My A pillars where they join the too of the fenders are cracked to
hell though.
Larry Stock once actually snapped one clean off while running his
car hard with
slicks, before they invented the chassis stiffening kits....I had
yet to install
A the front half of my kit. Must get on that someday....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:45, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
<[18]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailt
[19]o:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
Good Stuff.
Does anyone know if this will prevent the stress cracks I see on my
Pantera on t
he body, right at the top of the
rear deck lid?
Terry
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
A to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes <03F35E2B-1DAE-4631-84D9-B3D240A22161[14].png>
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213
Fax:A A A (818) 393-3147
[20]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[21]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
A Regional indicator for USA
From: DeTomaso
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> on
behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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<[26]MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:[27]MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:42 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton
<[28]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:[29]asajay at asajay.com>>
Cc: "<[30]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[31]detomaso at poca.com>>"
<[32]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[33]de
[34]tomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
You are correct. Tuesday through Friday from 10-4 or thereabouts.
Oddly, they no longer show the whole kit on the website. They only
show the uppe
r bar, and it's not the square bar they used to sell. Instead it's a
round tube,
A of the type which comprises a portion of the Byars upper rear kit.
I maintain that the original hall setup, consisting of a square tube
upper and r
ound lower, with a pair of triangulation tubes between them, is the
ultimate set
up. If the upper and lower parts are not connected to one another
with these tub
es, the effectiveness is drastically reduced, to the point where I
would suggest
A that the lower piece is just a waste of time, and serves as little
more than ba
llast.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:15, "Asa Jay Laughton"
<[35]asajay at asajay.com<mailto:[36]asajay at a
[37]sajay.com>> wrote:
Dear Asa and Mike:A I shall call Hall Pantera tomorrow.....but I
seem to
recall that they're closed on Mondays??A A Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:[38]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:12 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: <[39]detomaso at poca.com<mailto:[40]detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
Chuck,
I think Hall sells the individual pieces. I know Byars does not.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:05, "Charles Engles"
<[41]cengles at cox.net<mailto:[42]cengles at cox.
net>> wrote:
A Dear Forum,
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Maybe the picture
will come through.
A I am trying to find an accessory rear engine bay brace like the
one in
A the picture.A A Does anyone know if the vendors still offer
it?A A When I
A checked recently, it didn't seem to be available and the only
thing
A that was available was the complete front-rear-top-bottom Pantera
A chassis stiffening kit.A A No pieces sold separately.A A I
would like to
A find one.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A Warmest regards,
A Chuck Engles
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