[DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace

Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Sun Jun 21 23:13:19 EDT 2015 

So would you suggest I do the front also?   Don Byars (as you said) suggests it and only sells and installs both.

Not putting my P on the track any more.  But I do want to get the paint touched up after I solve this problem.


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From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:51 PM
To: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>, "<detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace

Terry,

I don't know if anybody can definitively prove that but anecdotal evidence suggests that yes, it will stiffen the rear enough to solve that chronic problem. I run my car hard on the track with slicks (admittedly only a few times) and have had no cracks there.

My A pillars where they join the too of the fenders are cracked to hell though. Larry Stock once actually snapped one clean off while running his car hard with slicks, before they invented the chassis stiffening kits....I had yet to install the front half of my kit. Must get on that someday....

Mike

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:45, "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:

Good Stuff.

Does anyone know if this will prevent the stress cracks I see on my Pantera on the body, right at the top of the
rear deck lid?

Terry



"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
  to contact us!"

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JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Reply-To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:42 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
Cc: "<detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>" <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace

You are correct. Tuesday through Friday from 10-4 or thereabouts.

Oddly, they no longer show the whole kit on the website. They only show the upper bar, and it's not the square bar they used to sell. Instead it's a round tube, of the type which comprises a portion of the Byars upper rear kit.

I maintain that the original hall setup, consisting of a square tube upper and round lower, with a pair of triangulation tubes between them, is the ultimate setup. If the upper and lower parts are not connected to one another with these tubes, the effectiveness is drastically reduced, to the point where I would suggest that the lower piece is just a waste of time, and serves as little more than ballast.

Mike

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:15, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:

Dear Asa and Mike:  I shall call Hall Pantera tomorrow.....but I seem to
recall that they're closed on Mondays??    Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:12 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
Chuck,
I think Hall sells the individual pieces. I know Byars does not.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:05, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net<mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
  Dear Forum,
                                  Maybe the picture will come through.
  I am trying to find an accessory rear engine bay brace like the one in
  the picture.   Does anyone know if the vendors still offer it?   When I
  checked recently, it didn't seem to be available and the only thing
  that was available was the complete front-rear-top-bottom Pantera
  chassis stiffening kit.   No pieces sold separately.   I would like to
  find one.
                                                         Warmest regards,
  Chuck Engles
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   So would you suggest I do the front also?   Don Byars (as you said)
   suggests it and only sells and installs both.
   Not putting my P on the track any more.  But I do want to get the paint
   touched up after I solve this problem.

   "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life

     exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried

     to contact us!"

   Terry W. Himes  [cid:B9DF9D05-7D0A-4C3C-82FD-AACCD58D11D9]

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   InSight Sequence Team Lead

   Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:51 PM
   To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Cc: Asa Jay Laughton <[4]asajay at asajay.com>, "<[5]detomaso at poca.com>"
   <[6]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace

   Terry,
   I don't know if anybody can definitively prove that but anecdotal
   evidence suggests that yes, it will stiffen the rear enough to solve
   that chronic problem. I run my car hard on the track with slicks
   (admittedly only a few times) and have had no cracks there.
   My A pillars where they join the too of the fenders are cracked to hell
   though. Larry Stock once actually snapped one clean off while running
   his car hard with slicks, before they invented the chassis stiffening
   kits....I had yet to install the front half of my kit. Must get on that
   someday....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:45, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
   <[7]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

   Good Stuff.
   Does anyone know if this will prevent the stress cracks I see on my
   Pantera on the body, right at the top of the
   rear deck lid?
   Terry

   "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life

     exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried

     to contact us!"

   Terry W. Himes <03F35E2B-1DAE-4631-84D9-B3D240A22161[14].png>

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   InSight Sequence Team Lead

   Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

   [8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Mike Drew
   via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso at poca.com>
   Reply-To: Mike Drew <[11]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Date: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:42 PM
   To: Asa Jay Laughton <[12]asajay at asajay.com>
   Cc: "<[13]detomaso at poca.com>" <[14]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace
   You are correct. Tuesday through Friday from 10-4 or thereabouts.
   Oddly, they no longer show the whole kit on the website. They only show
   the upper bar, and it's not the square bar they used to sell. Instead
   it's a round tube, of the type which comprises a portion of the Byars
   upper rear kit.
   I maintain that the original hall setup, consisting of a square tube
   upper and round lower, with a pair of triangulation tubes between them,
   is the ultimate setup. If the upper and lower parts are not connected
   to one another with these tubes, the effectiveness is drastically
   reduced, to the point where I would suggest that the lower piece is
   just a waste of time, and serves as little more than ballast.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:15, "Asa Jay Laughton" <[15]asajay at asajay.com>
   wrote:

   Dear Asa and Mike:  I shall call Hall Pantera tomorrow.....but I seem
   to

   recall that they're closed on Mondays??    Chuck Engles

   -----Original Message-----

   From: Mike Drew [[16]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]

   Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:12 PM

   To: Charles Engles

   Cc: <[17]detomaso at poca.com>

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear accessory engine bay brace

   Chuck,

   I think Hall sells the individual pieces. I know Byars does not.

   Mike

   Sent from my iPhone

   On Jun 21, 2015, at 19:05, "Charles Engles" <[18]cengles at cox.net>
   wrote:

     Dear Forum,

                                     Maybe the picture will come through.

     I am trying to find an accessory rear engine bay brace like the one
   in

     the picture.   Does anyone know if the vendors still offer it?   When
   I

     checked recently, it didn't seem to be available and the only thing

     that was available was the complete front-rear-top-bottom Pantera

     chassis stiffening kit.   No pieces sold separately.   I would like
   to

     find one.

                                                            Warmest
   regards,

     Chuck Engles

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