[DeTomaso] Short shaft water pump?

[jderyke at aol.com]

Joe, I wrote a comprehensive article with photos for the POCA Newsletter  last year on what it took. Actually, not  much- the gaskets are close to interchanging but there are two bolts on a Cleveland that are pump-mounted studs on this Ford hot-rod pump. So you bore out the threads in the pump body and use Cleveland bolts. As always, one of the two heater hose connections inteferes so it needs to be pulled out & the hole plugged.   Because it's meant for a Windsor, the short pump comes with a backing plate which the Clevelad doesn't use. Discarding the backing plate lets the pump shaft stick out the back 0.040" so the Cleveland front cover must be lightly dimpled or the shaft shortened. One of the pump outlets can be hand-ported to better match it to the block inlets, and obviously a custom pump pulley will be needed. Ford gets $150+ for the pump and immediately modifying it may put some off. The pump once mounted shortens the engine's envelope by about 1.5"' and together with remounting the alt backward (another article a decade ago), a flat firewall is easy.

Cheers- J DeRyke

 

 

 

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From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 1:29 pm
Subject: [DeTomaso] Short shaft water pump?


What is required to use the short shaft pump on a Cleveland and any
drawbacks?
Sounds like it is a desirable mod.
Joe/5177

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 351C Water
Pump

.... I also have Ford's short hot-rod 351-W pump that I adapted to the
351-C. Haven't put many miles on that one yet but it makes a flat firewall
easier to do. ...!
 

 

 

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From: John
Donahue <demongusta at me.com>
To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
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Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2015 6:29 pm
Subject: Re:
[DeTomaso] 351C Water Pump


After viewing that video, anyone have a
recommendation? I don’t race my car or do high performance driving, except when
I feel the need.  I currently have a Weiand pump. I like the polished look of
the Edelbrock. 
jack - 4348

 

 
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   Joe, I wrote a comprehensive article with photos for the POCA
   Newsletter last year on what it took. Actually, not  much- the gaskets
   are close to interchanging but there are two bolts on a Cleveland that
   are pump-mounted studs on this Ford hot-rod pump. So you bore out the
   threads in the pump body and use Cleveland bolts. As always, one of the
   two heater hose connections inteferes so it needs to be pulled out &
   the hole plugged.   Because it's meant for a Windsor, the short pump
   comes with a backing plate which the Clevelad doesn't use. Discarding
   the backing plate lets the pump shaft stick out the back 0.040" so the
   Cleveland front cover must be lightly dimpled or the shaft shortened.
   One of the pump outlets can be hand-ported to better match it to the
   block inlets, and obviously a custom pump pulley will be needed. Ford
   gets $150+ for the pump and immediately modifying it may put some off.
   The pump once mounted shortens the engine's envelope by about 1.5"' and
   together with remounting the alt backward (another article a decade
   ago), a flat firewall is easy.
   Cheers- J DeRyke

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   To: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2015 1:29 pm
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Short shaft water pump?
What is required to use the short shaft pump on a Cleveland and any
drawbacks?
Sounds like it is a desirable mod.
Joe/5177

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Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 15:05 PM
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Cc: [3]deTomaso at POCA.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 351C Water
Pump

.... I also have Ford's short hot-rod 351-W pump that I adapted to the
351-C. Haven't put many miles on that one yet but it makes a flat firewall
easier to do. ...!






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Donahue <[4]demongusta at me.com>
To: Mike Thomas <[5]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
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Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2015 6:29 pm
Subject: Re:
[DeTomaso] 351C Water Pump


After viewing that video, anyone have a
recommendation? I donat race my car or do high performance driving, except when
I feel the need.  I currently have a Weiand pump. I like the polished look of
the Edelbrock.
jack - 4348



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