[DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!

Tue Sep 2 22:16:48 EDT 2014

Just to see if you can. 

Steve 

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From: "Kooiman, Will" <will.kooiman at gmail.com> 
To: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, michael at michaelshortt.com, "Corey Price" <coreyjprice at gmail.com> 
Cc: "MikeLDrew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "forum, Pantera" <detomaso at poca.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:57:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor! 

It is an interesting challenge, but I don¹t see the point. 

A 2.3L 4-cylinder can make 1,000 HP with a big turbo. Without a turbo, 
the 2.3L is a dog. So, if you want big HP, run whatever engine fits and 
put a big power adder on it. 

If you don¹t want a power adder, run a big V8. 

If you want a V-12 for the sound, smoothness, and cool factor, start with 
a Ferrari, Jaguar, Lambo, or BMW core, and build it however you want. 

I just don¹t get why you would cut/weld a 302 Ford to make a V-12. 

On 9/2/14, 8:35 PM, "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: 

>Now all you need are some coach lights on the side. Folks would think it 
>as a Pantera 2+2. 
>Mike Thomas 
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>michael at michaelshortt.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 2:05 PM 
>To: Corey Price 
>Cc: Mike Drew; De Tomaso List 
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor! 
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>Probably closer to what it would take. 
> 
> 
>On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
>> I think someone should try it but with an aluminum block and heads to 
>> save weight. No idea if stretching the car would work or look good 
>>though. 
>> Maybe you could push the passenger seat back, center the driver seat 
>> and make it an McLaren F1 wannabe. 
>> 
>> Flame suit on. 
>> Corey 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Charles McCall 
>> > <charlesmccall at gmail.com> 
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > That's pretty cool! I don't think it would fit a Pantera though... 
>> > 
>> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso 
>> > <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > A A Hi guys, 
>> > A A Here's the solution for all of you wishing the Pantera had a 
>> > V12 
>> > A A Cleveland? 
>> > A 
>> > A 
>>[1][2]http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen 
>> > A A Mike 
>> > A A Sent from my iPhone 
>> > References 
>> > A A 1. 
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>> > 2. http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen 
>> > 3. http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen 
>> > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com 
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   Just to see if you can.
   Steve
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   From: "Kooiman, Will" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   To: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, michael at michaelshortt.com,
   "Corey Price" <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
   Cc: "MikeLDrew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "forum, Pantera"
   <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:57:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
   It is an interesting challenge, but I donA^1t see the point.
   A 2.3L 4-cylinder can make 1,000 HP with a big turbo.  Without a turbo,
   the 2.3L is a dog.  So, if you want big HP, run whatever engine fits
   and
   put a big power adder on it.
   If you donA^1t want a power adder, run a big V8.
   If you want a V-12 for the sound, smoothness, and cool factor, start
   with
   a Ferrari, Jaguar, Lambo, or BMW core, and build it however you want.
   I just donA^1t get why you would cut/weld a 302 Ford to make a V-12.
   On 9/2/14, 8:35 PM, "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
   >Now all you need are some coach lights on the side.  Folks would think
   it
   >as a Pantera 2+2.
   >Mike Thomas
   >
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   >From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   >michael at michaelshortt.com
   >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 2:05 PM
   >To: Corey Price
   >Cc: Mike Drew; De Tomaso List
   >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
   >
   >Probably closer to what it would take.
   >
   >
   >On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> I think someone should try it but with an aluminum block and heads
   to
   >> save weight. No idea if stretching the car would work or look good
   >>though.
   >> Maybe you could push the passenger seat back, center the driver seat
   >> and make it an McLaren F1 wannabe.
   >>
   >> Flame suit on.
   >> Corey
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> > On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Charles McCall
   >> > <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   >> wrote:
   >> >
   >> >   That's pretty cool! I don't think it would fit a Pantera
   though...
   >> >
   >> >   On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >> >   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
   >> >
   >> >     A  A Hi guys,
   >> >     A  A Here's the solution for all of you wishing the Pantera
   had a
   >> >     V12
   >> >     A  A Cleveland?
   >> >     A
   >> >     A
   >>[1][2]http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
   >> >     A  A Mike
   >> >     A  A Sent from my iPhone
   >> >     References
   >> >     A  A 1.
   >> >
   [3]http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
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   >> > References
   >> >
   >> >   1. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   >> >   2. http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
   >> >   3. http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
   >> >   4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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