[DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
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Tue Sep 2 22:48:28 EDT 2014
If you dig deep enough into your old Road and Track magazine collection, say circa 1971 or so, you will find a story where a guy made a Jaguar "straight 12" and stretched an XKE to make it fit. "Just because he wanted to".
Why not?
No one says these things have to be practical. If that was the case, we'd all drive Chevy Nova's.
Your experience and attitude may vary...
Jeff/2467 Twin Turbos and EFI, just because I wanted to...
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From: shawkins777 at comcast.net
To: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
Just to see if you can.
Steve
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To: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, michael at michaelshortt.com, "Corey Price" <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:57:58 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
It is an interesting challenge, but I don¹t see the point.
A 2.3L 4-cylinder can make 1,000 HP with a big turbo. Without a turbo,
the 2.3L is a dog. So, if you want big HP, run whatever engine fits and
put a big power adder on it.
If you don¹t want a power adder, run a big V8.
If you want a V-12 for the sound, smoothness, and cool factor, start with
a Ferrari, Jaguar, Lambo, or BMW core, and build it however you want.
I just don¹t get why you would cut/weld a 302 Ford to make a V-12.
On 9/2/14, 8:35 PM, "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>Now all you need are some coach lights on the side. Folks would think it
>as a Pantera 2+2.
>Mike Thomas
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>michael at michaelshortt.com
>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 2:05 PM
>To: Corey Price
>Cc: Mike Drew; De Tomaso List
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
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>Probably closer to what it would take.
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think someone should try it but with an aluminum block and heads to
>> save weight. No idea if stretching the car would work or look good
>>though.
>> Maybe you could push the passenger seat back, center the driver seat
>> and make it an McLaren F1 wannabe.
>>
>> Flame suit on.
>> Corey
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Charles McCall
>> > <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > That's pretty cool! I don't think it would fit a Pantera though...
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>> > <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > A A Hi guys,
>> > A A Here's the solution for all of you wishing the Pantera had a
>> > V12
>> > A A Cleveland?
>> > A
>> > A
>>[1][2]http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
>> > A A Mike
>> > A A Sent from my iPhone
>> > References
>> > A A 1.
>> > [3]http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
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>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> > 2. http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
>> > 3. http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
>> > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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If you dig deep enough into your old Road and Track magazine
collection, say circa 1971 or so, you will find a story where a guy
made a Jaguar "straight 12" and stretched an XKE to make it fit. "Just
because he wanted to".
Why not?
No one says these things have to be practical. If that was the case,
we'd all drive Chevy Nova's.
Your experience and attitude may vary...
Jeff/2467 Twin Turbos and EFI, just because I wanted to...
__________________________________________________________________
From: shawkins777 at comcast.net
To: "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "Pantera forum"
<detomaso at poca.com>, "michael" <michael at michaelshortt.com>, "Thomas,
Mike" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 7:16:48 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
Just to see if you can.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kooiman, Will" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, michael at michaelshortt.com,
"Corey Price" <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, "forum, Pantera"
<detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:57:58 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
It is an interesting challenge, but I donA^1t see the point.
A 2.3L 4-cylinder can make 1,000 HP with a big turbo. Without a turbo,
the 2.3L is a dog. So, if you want big HP, run whatever engine fits and
put a big power adder on it.
If you donA^1t want a power adder, run a big V8.
If you want a V-12 for the sound, smoothness, and cool factor, start
with
a Ferrari, Jaguar, Lambo, or BMW core, and build it however you want.
I just donA^1t get why you would cut/weld a 302 Ford to make a V-12.
On 9/2/14, 8:35 PM, "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>Now all you need are some coach lights on the side. Folks would think
it
>as a Pantera 2+2.
>Mike Thomas
>
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>From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
>michael at michaelshortt.com
>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 2:05 PM
>To: Corey Price
>Cc: Mike Drew; De Tomaso List
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] V-12 Boss/Cleveland motor!
>
>Probably closer to what it would take.
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Corey Price <coreyjprice at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> I think someone should try it but with an aluminum block and heads
to
>> save weight. No idea if stretching the car would work or look good
>>though.
>> Maybe you could push the passenger seat back, center the driver seat
>> and make it an McLaren F1 wannabe.
>>
>> Flame suit on.
>> Corey
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Charles McCall
>> > <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > That's pretty cool! I don't think it would fit a Pantera though...
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>> > <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > A A Hi guys,
>> > A A Here's the solution for all of you wishing the Pantera had a
>> > V12
>> > A A Cleveland?
>> > A
>> > A
>>[1][2]http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
>> > A A Mike
>> > A A Sent from my iPhone
>> > References
>> > A A 1.
>> > [3]http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
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>> > [5]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > 1. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>> > 2. http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
>> > 3. http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=67468.0;topicseen
>> > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>> > 5. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> > _______________________________________________
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>michael at michaelshortt.com
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