[DeTomaso] If you can't say something nice...Not Your Average Pantera, Meet BKPNTR
michael at michaelshortt.com
michael at michaelshortt.com
Mon Nov 17 11:57:32 EST 2014
Well said, I think both the Ring Bros and the Black Pantera are much
improved and fabulous GT40s.
Michael
On Nov 17, 2014 11:51 AM, "Boyd Casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's a good story and a great come back to the Ferrari snob!
> I think we Pantera owners have become sensitizedA to the year's of
> criticism and misunderstanding by other car marque's and the automotive
> press so some of us may come across a little strongly. There is nothing
> wrong with voicing your opinion as to whether you "like "' or "don't
> like" a particular build. But I agree there is no need to be rude .
> Building a car is an artistic expression, restoring a car is an
> exercises in how close you can come to replicating or surpassing the
> quality of the original build. They are two different things. Art has
> always will and will always be subjective. A restoration can be judged
> on a very definitive point scale. Lets not confuse the two. Let the
> restorer's restore and the builders build and if the owners choose to
> exhibit their work then they have opened themselves up to the criticism
> of the publicA who often know nothing of the subject they are
> commenting on and many don't have the skills or creativity to tie a
> shoe ( That's why so many loafers are sold LOL) But lets try to
> remember that we as pantera owners and as a club have always been know
> for being gentlemen ( and Ladies) and lets try to behave as such. And
> by the way there are many creative ways to comment on an artistic
> endeavor that you don't particularly care for with out being rude, you
> could say "That's an incredible Pantera! ( Incredible that some one
> would spend the time and money to build such a creation) or "That's got
> to be one of the most unique Panteras I have ever seen"A No ones
> needss to have their feelings hurt and you don't have to make false
> compliments. It's simply a matter of semantics.
> JMHO
> Boyd (Back among the living)
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Tom Baranek
> <[1]tbaranek at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> A A I agree Rob,
> A A If you can't find anything nice/neutral to say...silence can go
> a long
> A A way!
> A A I had a regular C6 Corvette pull up near my Pantera and the guy
> said
> A A something nice about my car, so I said "That color looks great
> on your
> A A Vette."
> A A Tom
> A A Message: 11
> A A Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:01:10 -0800
> A A From: Rob DOrazio <[1][2]robpantera at sbcglobal.net>
> A A To: "[2][3]detomaso at poca.com" <[3][4]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Not Your Average Pantera, Meet BKPNTR
> A A Message-ID:
> A
> A <[4][5]1416157270.52169.YahooMailNeo at web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> A A Guys, I have to weigh in on this.A Two weeks ago I was at the
> "Best of
> A A France and Italy" car show in Van Nuys and a guy pulled in with
> a
> A A burgundy mid 60s Ferrari he had rebuilt from a rescued body.A
> He had
> A A aftermarket wheels, an Art Morrison tube chassis and a 500hp
> Small
> A A Block Chevy.A I should also mention that he was running
> without a hood.
> A A He couldn't get grouped with the Ferraris but instead was
> placed in the
> A A "other cars" row.A A I was talking to him and appreciating the
> A A workmanship of his car when he told me that a Ferrari club guy
> with a
> A A mock turtleneck sporting the horse came over and told him the
> car was
> A A an "abomination". The Chevy/Ferrari owner replied "So is coming
> to a
> A A car show in women's clothing".A The frustrated Ferrari club
> member
> A A slinked away.A The Ferrari Club guy should have appreciated
> that at
> A A least this derelict old Ferrari was resurrected creatively and
> back on
> A A the road.
> A A Let's not become the Ferrari club.
> A A Incidentally, I saw the GT40 Pantera in San Diego and it is
> "bitchin".
> A A Rob D'Orazio
> References
> A A 1. file://localhost/tmp/tmp8ja87A.html
> A A 2. file://localhost/tmp/tmp8ja87A.html
> A A 3. file://localhost/tmp/tmp8ja87A.html
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Well said, I think both the Ring Bros and the Black Pantera are much
improved and fabulous GT40s.
Michael
On Nov 17, 2014 11:51 AM, "Boyd Casey" <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
A A That's a good story and a great come back to the Ferrari snob!
A A I think we Pantera owners have become sensitizedAA to the
year's of
A A criticism and misunderstanding by other car marque's and the
automotive
A A press so some of us may come across a little strongly. There is
nothing
A A wrong with voicing your opinion as to whether you "like "' or
"don't
A A like" a particular build. But I agree there is no need to be
rude .
A A Building a car is an artistic expression, restoring a car is an
A A exercises in how close you can come to replicating or
surpassing the
A A quality of the original build. They are two different things.
Art has
A A always will and will always be subjective. A restoration can be
judged
A A on a very definitive point scale. Lets not confuse the two. Let
the
A A restorer's restore and the builders build and if the owners
choose to
A A exhibit their work then they have opened themselves up to the
criticism
A A of the publicAA who often know nothing of the subject they are
A A commenting on and many don't have the skills or creativity to
tie a
A A shoe ( That's why so many loafers are sold LOL) But lets try to
A A remember that we as pantera owners and as a club have always
been know
A A for being gentlemen ( and Ladies) and lets try to behave as
such. And
A A by the way there are many creative ways to comment on an
artistic
A A endeavor that you don't particularly care for with out being
rude, you
A A could say "That's an incredible Pantera! ( Incredible that some
one
A A would spend the time and money to build such a creation) or
"That's got
A A to be one of the most unique Panteras I have ever seen"AA No
ones
A A needss to have their feelings hurt and you don't have to make
false
A A compliments. It's simply a matter of semantics.
A A JMHO
A A Boyd (Back among the living)
A A On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Tom Baranek
A A <[1][2]tbaranek at earthlink.net> wrote:
A A A AA A I agree Rob,
A A A AA A If you can't find anything nice/neutral to
say...silence can go
A A A a long
A A A AA A way!
A A A AA A I had a regular C6 Corvette pull up near my Pantera
and the guy
A A A said
A A A AA A something nice about my car, so I said "That color
looks great
A A A on your
A A A AA A Vette."
A A A AA A Tom
A A A AA A Message: 11
A A A AA A Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:01:10 -0800
A A A AA A From: Rob DOrazio <[1][2][3]robpantera at sbcglobal.net>
A A A AA A To: "[2][3][4]detomaso at poca.com"
<[3][4][5]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Not Your Average Pantera, Meet
BKPNTR
A A A AA A Message-ID:
A A A A
A A A A
<[4][5][6]1416157270.52169.YahooMailNeo at web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
>
A A A AA A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
A A A AA A Guys, I have to weigh in on this.AA Two weeks ago I
was at the
A A A "Best of
A A A AA A France and Italy" car show in Van Nuys and a guy
pulled in with
A A A a
A A A AA A burgundy mid 60s Ferrari he had rebuilt from a rescued
body.A
A A A He had
A A A AA A aftermarket wheels, an Art Morrison tube chassis and a
500hp
A A A Small
A A A AA A Block Chevy.AA I should also mention that he was
running
A A A without a hood.
A A A AA A He couldn't get grouped with the Ferraris but instead
was
A A A placed in the
A A A AA A "other cars" row.AA A I was talking to him and
appreciating the
A A A AA A workmanship of his car when he told me that a Ferrari
club guy
A A A with a
A A A AA A mock turtleneck sporting the horse came over and told
him the
A A A car was
A A A AA A an "abomination". The Chevy/Ferrari owner replied "So
is coming
A A A to a
A A A AA A car show in women's clothing".AA The frustrated
Ferrari club
A A A member
A A A AA A slinked away.AA The Ferrari Club guy should have
appreciated
A A A that at
A A A AA A least this derelict old Ferrari was resurrected
creatively and
A A A back on
A A A AA A the road.
A A A AA A Let's not become the Ferrari club.
A A A AA A Incidentally, I saw the GT40 Pantera in San Diego and
it is
A A A "bitchin".
A A A AA A Rob D'Orazio
A A A References
A A A AA A 1. file://localhost/tmp/tmp8ja87A.html
A A A AA A 2. file://localhost/tmp/tmp8ja87A.html
A A A AA A 3. file://localhost/tmp/tmp8ja87A.html
A A A AA A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmp8ja87A.html
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