[DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
Lynn Wall
lwall67 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 7 12:40:40 EST 2014
Is Rick still selling his kit? If so, how does one go about getting in
touch with him? I am going with EFI as well so I will have many of the same
devices you have.
Lynn
From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Lynn Wall; grayjim at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
The Mosley kit fixed the existing circuits by using the ignition switch to
control relays. Pretty simple, you just put the relays between the ignition
switch and the loads.
I added several new electric devices, EFI, fuel pump, water pump, etc. and
an going to a voltage gauge, so it made sense to build a new fuse/relay
panel.
This is for a 73 that has a bunch of unnecessary wiring that I removed, like
the starter lockout, etc. which also motivated getting deep into the wiring.
Ken
From: Lynn Wall <lwall67 at gmail.com>
To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; grayjim at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
One more question. What are the suggested improvements that one should
make while doing this? I know there are several devices that remove
the loads from the ignition switch and headlight switch. What about
new fuse panels like the one sold on Pantera Electronics web site?
Advantages, disadvantages? I am looking at the weather pack products.
I also know there are some guys that sell improvements, I would love to
hear from you, or even about you.
Thanks
From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:29 AM
To: grayjim at cox.net; lwall67 at gmail.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
Bill Taylor's drawings on Pantera Place are very good:
[1]Electrical Diagrams
[2]Image removed by sender. image
[3]Electrical Diagrams
The electrical diagrams on this page were researched and drawn by Bill
Taylor and they show the detail of one electrical system at a time.
The drawings do not ...
[4]View on www.panteraplace.com
Preview by Yahoo
There are also color drawings by other contributors if you scroll
down. I suppose you could take the file into Costco and have a poster
made?
Ken
From: "grayjim at cox.net" <grayjim at cox.net>
To: lwall67 at gmail.com
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
To All:
Wasn't someone on the Forum selling color coded wiring diagrams at one
time? I can't remember who it was. I know the wire colors can vary
from car to car but it would be a big help to have one anyway.
Jim Gray
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Lynn Wall wrote:
> What a great resource. Thanks!!
>
> I have it mostly zip tied to a piece of plywood, see picture. It
does
> not look to bad but I have found a few melted wires. Glad I'm doing
> this beforehand.
>
> Thanks to all that have helped and made suggestions.
>
> Lynn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> doug351c
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:07 PM
> To: Brian Dudley
> Cc: [6]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
>
> Here's a more complete selection of Faston connectors and terminals
in
> an Excel file for you DIY guys. Let me know if the attachment gets
> stripped. It's only 150 k-bytes but .xls files may get blocked.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf Of
Brian
> Dudley
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 7:12 AM
> To: Lynn Wall
> Cc: [8]detomaso at poca.com; [9]jderyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
>
>
> I replaced all my connectors as many were corroded or burnt, keeping
> the original style.
> You can get the connectors from Digikey,
>
[10]http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?KeyWords=a27936ct-nd
<http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?KeyWords=a27936ct-nd&WT.z_> &WT.z_
header=search_go
> This is just the female in one size, there are 3 sizes, male and
> female and I got 100 of each.
> You could get away with less and maybe not the smaller size.
> You need to cut the little tags as they come connected together.
> They also sell the single one connector solid cover,
>
[11]http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0
<http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=a27915-n>
&keywords=a27915-n
d
>
> I had trouble getting the multiple wire plastic connectors, some of
> mine were burnt from bad connections.
> In the end I got mine from the UK, they also do a kit including the
> connectors.
> [12]http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/7
> They also have a great choice of colors and sizes in wiring.
> So if you want to look for that brown with red stripe or white with
> orange stripe rather than just using a red wire, this bunch is good.
> Great if you are adding some extra wires.
> Think about replacing the main battery lead that goes from the
> alternator.
> A #4 cable to at least the fuse panel / ignition switch will help if
> you later use a larger output alternator.
>
> Buy a good wire stripper, I think this is the one I have,
> [13]http://www.amazon.com/Gb-Wire-Stripper-22-Awg/dp/B00448IWI6
> A good ratchet wire crimper,
> [14]http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/wire_termination
> I think this is the one I got,
>
>
[15]http://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18920-Ratcheting-Terminal/dp/B0002ST
TTI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=083X516ZH2DN81FG3A89
>
> Also Jon Haas sells the connectors and terminals.
> [16]http://www.pantera-electronics.com/wireharness.htm
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Lynn Wall <[17]lwall67 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Recondition and repair/restore. Definitely not replace. It is out
>> of
>> the car and mounted in plywood.
>>
>> Is there a place to buy a supply of connectors to do what you
>> suggest?
>>
>> Thx
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2014, at 6:06 PM, [1][18]jderyke at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> By 'R&R the wiring harness', I assume you mean 'replace all the
>> unplated multiconnectors that corrode and cause trouble'.
>> Replacing the
>> whole harness is a monumental job! My advice- work on the task
>> every
>> single day even if its only for a few minutes. And have the
>> replacements you need close at hard. I've seen at least two
>> Panteras in
>> which owners got disgusted with the wiring and tore it all out.
>> Neither
>> of those cars ever again moved an inch under their own power.
Good
>> luck. J DeRyke
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lynn Wall <[2][19]lwall67 at gmail.com>
>> To: detomaso <[3][20]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 5, 2014 4:26 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R So I'm getting ready to
R&R
>> my wiring harness. Any suggestions? What have some of you done to
>> make sure yours was as sound as possible?
>>
>> Any specialists I should contact?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device
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>> 2. mailto:[24]lwall67 at gmail.com
>> 3. mailto:[25]detomaso at poca.com
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References
1. http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
2. http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
3. http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
4. http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
6. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
9. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
10. http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?KeyWords=a27936ct-nd
<http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?KeyWords=a27936ct-nd&WT.z_header=s
earch_go> &WT.z_header=search_go
11. http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0
<http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=a27915-nd>
&keywords=a27915-nd
12. http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/7
13. http://www.amazon.com/Gb-Wire-Stripper-22-Awg/dp/B00448IWI6
14. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/wire_termination
15.
http://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18920-Ratcheting-Terminal/dp/B0002STTTI/ref=p
d_sim_sbs_hi_4?ie=UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18920-Ratcheting-Terminal/dp/B0002STTTI/ref=
pd_sim_sbs_hi_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=083X516ZH2DN81FG3A89>
&refRID=083X516ZH2DN81FG3A89
16. http://www.pantera-electronics.com/wireharness.htm
17. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
18. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
19. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
20. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
21. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
22. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
23. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
24. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
25. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
28. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
29. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
30. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
31. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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Is Rick still selling his kit? If so, how does one go about getting in
touch with him? I am going with EFI as well so I will have many of the
same devices you have.
Lynn
From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Lynn Wall; grayjim at cox.net
Cc: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
The Mosley kit fixed the existing circuits by using the ignition switch
to control relays. Pretty simple, you just put the relays between the
ignition switch and the loads.
I added several new electric devices, EFI, fuel pump, water pump, etc.
and an going to a voltage gauge, so it made sense to build a new
fuse/relay panel.
This is for a 73 that has a bunch of unnecessary wiring that I removed,
like the starter lockout, etc. which also motivated getting deep into
the wiring.
Ken
From: Lynn Wall <[1]lwall67 at gmail.com>
To: 'Ken Green' <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; [3]grayjim at cox.net
Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
One more question. What are the suggested improvements that one
should
make while doing this? I know there are several devices that remove
the loads from the ignition switch and headlight switch. What about
new fuse panels like the one sold on Pantera Electronics web site?
Advantages, disadvantages? I am looking at the weather pack
products.
I also know there are some guys that sell improvements, I would love
to
hear from you, or even about you.
Thanks
From: Ken Green [mailto:[5]kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:29 AM
To: [6]grayjim at cox.net; [7]lwall67 at gmail.com
Cc: [8]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
Bill Taylor's drawings on Pantera Place are very good:
[1]Electrical Diagrams
[2]Image removed by sender. image
[3]Electrical Diagrams
The electrical diagrams on this page were researched and drawn by
Bill
Taylor and they show the detail of one electrical system at a time.
The drawings do not ...
[4]View on [9]www.panteraplace.com
Preview by
Yahoo
There are also color drawings by other contributors if you scroll
down. I suppose you could take the file into Costco and have a
poster
made?
Ken
From: "[10]grayjim at cox.net" <[11]grayjim at cox.net>
To: [12]lwall67 at gmail.com
Cc: [13]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
To All:
Wasn't someone on the Forum selling color coded wiring diagrams at
one
time? I can't remember who it was. I know the wire colors can vary
from car to car but it would be a big help to have one anyway.
Jim Gray
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Lynn Wall wrote:
> What a great resource. Thanks!!
>
> I have it mostly zip tied to a piece of plywood, see picture. It
does
> not look to bad but I have found a few melted wires. Glad I'm
doing
> this beforehand.
>
> Thanks to all that have helped and made suggestions.
>
> Lynn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][14]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
Of
> doug351c
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:07 PM
> To: Brian Dudley
> Cc: [6][15]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
>
> Here's a more complete selection of Faston connectors and terminals
in
> an Excel file for you DIY guys. Let me know if the attachment gets
> stripped. It's only 150 k-bytes but .xls files may get blocked.
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[7][16]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]On Behalf
Of
Brian
> Dudley
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 7:12 AM
> To: Lynn Wall
> Cc: [8][17]detomaso at poca.com; [9][18]jderyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R
>
>
> I replaced all my connectors as many were corroded or burnt,
keeping
> the original style.
> You can get the connectors from Digikey,
>
[10][19]http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?KeyWords=a27936ct-nd&W
T.z_
header=search_go
> This is just the female in one size, there are 3 sizes, male and
> female and I got 100 of each.
> You could get away with less and maybe not the smaller size.
> You need to cut the little tags as they come connected together.
> They also sell the single one connector solid cover,
>
[11][20]http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=a279
15-n
d
>
> I had trouble getting the multiple wire plastic connectors, some of
> mine were burnt from bad connections.
> In the end I got mine from the UK, they also do a kit including the
> connectors.
> [12][21]http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/7
> They also have a great choice of colors and sizes in wiring.
> So if you want to look for that brown with red stripe or white with
> orange stripe rather than just using a red wire, this bunch is
good.
> Great if you are adding some extra wires.
> Think about replacing the main battery lead that goes from the
> alternator.
> A #4 cable to at least the fuse panel / ignition switch will help
if
> you later use a larger output alternator.
>
> Buy a good wire stripper, I think this is the one I have,
> [13][22]http://www.amazon.com/Gb-Wire-Stripper-22-Awg/dp/B00448IWI6
> A good ratchet wire crimper,
> [14][23]http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/wire_termination
> I think this is the one I got,
>
>
[15][24]http://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18920-Ratcheting-Terminal/dp/B00
02ST
TTI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=083X516ZH2DN81FG3A89
>
> Also Jon Haas sells the connectors and terminals.
> [16][25]http://www.pantera-electronics.com/wireharness.htm
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Lynn Wall
<[17][26]lwall67 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Recondition and repair/restore. Definitely not replace. It is
out
>> of
>> the car and mounted in plywood.
>>
>> Is there a place to buy a supply of connectors to do what you
>> suggest?
>>
>> Thx
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2014, at 6:06 PM, [1][18][27]jderyke at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> By 'R&R the wiring harness', I assume you mean 'replace all the
>> unplated multiconnectors that corrode and cause trouble'.
>> Replacing the
>> whole harness is a monumental job! My advice- work on the task
>> every
>> single day even if its only for a few minutes. And have the
>> replacements you need close at hard. I've seen at least two
>> Panteras in
>> which owners got disgusted with the wiring and tore it all out.
>> Neither
>> of those cars ever again moved an inch under their own power.
Good
>> luck. J DeRyke
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lynn Wall <[2][19][28]lwall67 at gmail.com>
>> To: detomaso <[3][20][29]detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 5, 2014 4:26 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Wiring harness R&R So I'm getting ready to
R&R
>> my wiring harness. Any suggestions? What have some of you done to
>> make sure yours was as sound as possible?
>>
>> Any specialists I should contact?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Sent from my mobile device
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:[23][32]jderyke at aol.com
>> 2. mailto:[24][33]lwall67 at gmail.com
>> 3. mailto:[25][34]detomaso at poca.com
>> 4. mailto:[26][35]DeTomaso at poca.com
>> 5. [27][36]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>>
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References
1. [43]http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
2. [44]http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
3. [45]http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
4. [46]http://www.panteraplace.com/page107.htm
5. mailto:[47]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
6. mailto:[48]detomaso at poca.com
7. mailto:[49]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
8. mailto:[50]detomaso at poca.com
9. mailto:[51]jderyke at aol.com
10.
[52]http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?KeyWords=a27936ct-nd&WT.z_
header=search_go
11.
[53]http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=a27915-n
d
12. [54]http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/7
13. [55]http://www.amazon.com/Gb-Wire-Stripper-22-Awg/dp/B00448IWI6
14. [56]http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/wire_termination
15.
[57]http://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18920-Ratcheting-Terminal/dp/B0002ST
TTI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=083X516ZH2DN81FG3A89
16. [58]http://www.pantera-electronics.com/wireharness.htm
17. mailto:[59]lwall67 at gmail.com
18. mailto:[60]jderyke at aol.com
19. mailto:[61]lwall67 at gmail.com
20. mailto:[62]detomaso at poca.com
21. mailto:[63]DeTomaso at poca.com
22. [64]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
23. mailto:[65]jderyke at aol.com
24. mailto:[66]lwall67 at gmail.com
25. mailto:[67]detomaso at poca.com
26. mailto:[68]DeTomaso at poca.com
27. [69]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
28. mailto:[70]DeTomaso at poca.com
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References
1. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
2. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
3. mailto:grayjim at cox.net
4. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
5. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
6. mailto:grayjim at cox.net
7. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
9. http://www.panteraplace.com/
10. mailto:grayjim at cox.net
11. mailto:grayjim at cox.net
12. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
13. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
14. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
15. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
16. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
18. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
19. http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?KeyWords=a27936ct-nd&WT.z_
20. http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?vendor=0&keywords=a27915-n
21. http://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/7
22. http://www.amazon.com/Gb-Wire-Stripper-22-Awg/dp/B00448IWI6
23. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/wire_termination
24. http://www.amazon.com/Tool-Aid-18920-Ratcheting-Terminal/dp/B0002ST
25. http://www.pantera-electronics.com/wireharness.htm
26. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
27. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
28. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
29. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
30. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
31. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
32. mailto:jderyke at aol.com
33. mailto:lwall67 at gmail.com
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