[DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
Gray Gregory
rgg at gregorycook.com
Thu Jun 19 22:32:14 EDT 2014
Yeah Bernie is definitely a prick and had no respect for Indy and all the history that comes with it, but that’s pretty much just SOP for him. I was talking to one of the CoTA owners at the vintage championships last fall about their negotiations with him and it did not sound like fun! As for IMS; sending Tony George to negotiate with Bernie was absolutely sending a lamb into a lion’s den he didn’t stand a chance.
Gray
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Attended them all at Indy...what put them off was Bernie trying to extort $30 million fron IMS.
That anf the total lack of respect F1 gave us, when there, the crowd was easily the largest at any F1 race, 175K-200K, yet all the midget could say was that the stands were half empty...yeah thry were...it's that big.
Michael Shortt
On Jun 19, 2014 8:54 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com<mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com>> wrote:
I don't think it was the drivers that didn't like it. As I recall they all were in awe of being at the speedway and generally had good things to say about the track. The tires definitely didn't like it the first year; the Michelins were delaminating due to the high speeds on the very stretch of track you're talking about and it resulted in all the Michelin teams sitting out the race after losing their plea to get a chicane put on the front straight. Unfortunately this lead to a very boring race and sadly set the US grand prix at Indy off on such a bad foot that it never was able to really recover.
Gray
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
When F1 was at Indy-IMS, the drivers were not fond of exiting the road course in the short chute between the conventional turns 1 & 2, exiting the traditional turn 1 (counterclockwise) and traveling down the front stretch. As I remember, it was fastest F1 cars traveled on any course, at the time. The front stretch is 0.625 miles. The F! cars did not travel the entire front stretch before ducking back into the road course.
IndyDave
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Subject: F1 Drivers at Indy
I am a huge MS fan and wish him a recovery worthy of his accomplishments.
Dave's comment has me wondering...
We all know that F1 drivers don't always translate to NASCAR success. This is due to a lot of reasons.
What I want to discuss is whether F1 skill can translate into Indy success. On road courses, sure...Villeneuve, Montoya and Mansell all mixed both well.
Has that always been the case?
LS
> On Jun 18, 2014, at 16:03, Dave <dave at damardirect.com<mailto:dave at damardirect.com>> wrote:
>
> Not too adaptable to high speed ovals and concrete.
> IndyDave
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> F-1 drivers are "special" people.
>
>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com<mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Like "they" say," it's not over until the fat lady sings" . Lots of people are quick to count people out. Schumacher is a fighter . Seeing him overcome the odds is an inspiration to people every where who are facing uphill battles. I wish him Gods Speed and a full recovery!
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>>
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>> He is out of his coma and going to rehab. Remarkable!!!
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Yeah Bernie is definitely a prick and had no respect for Indy and all
the history that comes with it, but that's pretty much just SOP for
him. I was talking to one of the CoTA owners at the vintage
championships last fall about their negotiations with him and it did
not sound like fun! As for IMS; sending Tony George to negotiate with
Bernie was absolutely sending a lamb into a lion's den he didn't stand
a chance.
Gray
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Of michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:05 PM
To: Gray Gregory
Cc: detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
Attended them all at Indy...what put them off was Bernie trying to
extort $30 million fron IMS.
That anf the total lack of respect F1 gave us, when there, the crowd
was easily the largest at any F1 race, 175K-200K, yet all the midget
could say was that the stands were half empty...yeah thry were...it's
that big.
Michael Shortt
On Jun 19, 2014 8:54 PM, "Gray Gregory" <[1]rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
I don't think it was the drivers that didn't like it. As I recall
they all were in awe of being at the speedway and generally had good
things to say about the track. The tires definitely didn't like it
the first year; the Michelins were delaminating due to the high
speeds on the very stretch of track you're talking about and it
resulted in all the Michelin teams sitting out the race after losing
their plea to get a chicane put on the front straight. Unfortunately
this lead to a very boring race and sadly set the US grand prix at
Indy off on such a bad foot that it never was able to really
recover.
Gray
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Dave
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:07 AM
To: LS
Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
When F1 was at Indy-IMS, the drivers were not fond of exiting the
road course in the short chute between the conventional turns 1 & 2,
exiting the traditional turn 1 (counterclockwise) and traveling down
the front stretch. As I remember, it was fastest F1 cars traveled on
any course, at the time. The front stretch is 0.625 miles. The F!
cars did not travel the entire front stretch before ducking back
into the road course.
IndyDave
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From: LS [mailto:[4]lashdeep at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:59 PM
To: Dave
Cc: John Donahue; Boyd Casey; [5]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: F1 Drivers at Indy
I am a huge MS fan and wish him a recovery worthy of his
accomplishments.
Dave's comment has me wondering...
We all know that F1 drivers don't always translate to NASCAR
success. This is due to a lot of reasons.
What I want to discuss is whether F1 skill can translate into Indy
success. On road courses, sure...Villeneuve, Montoya and Mansell all
mixed both well.
Has that always been the case?
LS
> On Jun 18, 2014, at 16:03, Dave <[6]dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
>
> Not too adaptable to high speed ovals and concrete.
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Donahue [mailto:[7]demongusta at me.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:47 PM
> To: Boyd Casey
> Cc: [8]detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Michael Schumacher
>
> F-1 drivers are "special" people.
>
>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Boyd Casey <[9]boyd411 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Like "they" say," it's not over until the fat lady sings" . Lots
of people are quick to count people out. Schumacher is a fighter .
Seeing him overcome the odds is an inspiration to people every
where who are facing uphill battles. I wish him Gods Speed and a
full recovery!
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, John Donahue via DeTomaso
<[10]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>> He is out of his coma and going to rehab. Remarkable!!!
>>
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