[DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy

Dave dave at damardirect.com
Thu Jun 19 21:48:15 EDT 2014 

Very well said! So much truth in all that you said.
Little Bernie refused to stay in Indianapolis for the entire time F1 was in town. His helicopter would take him to Chicago each night. Indianapolis was not good enough for him.
IndyDave

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Attended them all at Indy...what put them off was Bernie trying to extort $30 million fron IMS.
That anf the total lack of respect F1 gave us, when there, the crowd was easily the largest at any F1 race, 175K-200K, yet all the midget could say was that the stands were half empty...yeah thry were...it's that big.

Michael Shortt
On Jun 19, 2014 8:54 PM, "Gray Gregory" <rgg at gregorycook.com<mailto:rgg at gregorycook.com>> wrote:
I don't think it was the drivers that didn't like it. As I recall they all were in awe of being at the speedway and generally had good things to say about the track. The tires definitely didn't like it the first year; the Michelins were delaminating due to the high speeds on the very stretch of track you're talking about and it resulted in all the Michelin teams sitting out the race after losing their plea to get a chicane put on the front straight. Unfortunately this lead to a very boring race and sadly set the US grand prix at Indy off on such a bad foot that it never was able to really recover.

Gray

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When F1 was at Indy-IMS, the drivers were not fond of exiting the road course in the short chute between the conventional turns 1 & 2, exiting the traditional turn 1 (counterclockwise) and traveling down the front stretch. As I remember, it was fastest F1 cars traveled on any course, at the time. The front stretch is 0.625 miles. The F! cars did not travel the entire front stretch before ducking back into the road course.
IndyDave

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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:59 PM
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Subject: F1 Drivers at Indy

I am a huge MS fan and wish him a recovery worthy of his accomplishments.

Dave's comment has me wondering...

We all know that F1 drivers don't always translate to NASCAR success. This is due to a lot of reasons.

What I want to discuss is whether F1 skill can translate into Indy success. On road courses, sure...Villeneuve, Montoya and Mansell all mixed both well.

Has that always been the case?

LS

> On Jun 18, 2014, at 16:03, Dave <dave at damardirect.com<mailto:dave at damardirect.com>> wrote:
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> Not too adaptable to high speed ovals and concrete.
> IndyDave
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> F-1 drivers are "special" people.
>
>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com<mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Like "they" say," it's not over until the fat lady sings" . Lots of people are quick to count people out. Schumacher is a fighter . Seeing  him overcome the odds is an inspiration to people every where who are facing uphill battles. I wish him Gods Speed and a full recovery!
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>>
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>> He is out of his coma and going to rehab. Remarkable!!!
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   Very well said! So much truth in all that you said.

   Little Bernie refused to stay in Indianapolis for the entire time F1
   was in town. His helicopter would take him to Chicago each night.
   Indianapolis was not good enough for him.

   IndyDave


   From: michaelsavga at gmail.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com] On Behalf
   Of michael at michaelshortt.com
   Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:05 PM
   To: Gray Gregory
   Cc: detomaso at poca.com; LS; Dave
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy


   Attended them all at Indy...what put them off was Bernie trying to
   extort $30 million fron IMS.
   That anf the total lack of respect F1 gave us, when there, the crowd
   was easily the largest at any F1 race, 175K-200K, yet all the midget
   could say was that the stands were half empty...yeah thry were...it's
   that big.

   Michael Shortt

   On Jun 19, 2014 8:54 PM, "Gray Gregory" <[1]rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:

   I don't think it was the drivers that didn't like it. As I recall they
   all were in awe of being at the speedway and generally had good things
   to say about the track. The tires definitely didn't like it the first
   year; the Michelins were delaminating due to the high speeds on the
   very stretch of track you're talking about and it resulted in all the
   Michelin teams sitting out the race after losing their plea to get a
   chicane put on the front straight. Unfortunately this lead to a very
   boring race and sadly set the US grand prix at Indy off on such a bad
   foot that it never was able to really recover.
   Gray
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   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Dave
   Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:07 AM
   To: LS
   Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] F1 Drivers at Indy
   When F1 was at Indy-IMS, the drivers were not fond of exiting the road
   course in the short chute between the conventional turns 1 & 2, exiting
   the traditional turn 1 (counterclockwise) and traveling down the front
   stretch. As I remember, it was fastest F1 cars traveled on any course,
   at the time. The front stretch is 0.625 miles. The F! cars did not
   travel the entire front stretch before ducking back into the road
   course.
   IndyDave
   -----Original Message-----
   From: LS [mailto:[4]lashdeep at yahoo.com]
   Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:59 PM
   To: Dave
   Cc: John Donahue; Boyd Casey; [5]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: F1 Drivers at Indy
   I am a huge MS fan and wish him a recovery worthy of his
   accomplishments.
   Dave's comment has me wondering...
   We all know that F1 drivers don't always translate to NASCAR success.
   This is due to a lot of reasons.
   What I want to discuss is whether F1 skill can translate into Indy
   success. On road courses, sure...Villeneuve, Montoya and Mansell all
   mixed both well.
   Has that always been the case?
   LS
   > On Jun 18, 2014, at 16:03, Dave <[6]dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
   >
   > Not too adaptable to high speed ovals and concrete.
   > IndyDave
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: John Donahue [mailto:[7]demongusta at me.com]
   > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:47 PM
   > To: Boyd Casey
   > Cc: [8]detomaso at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Michael Schumacher
   >
   > F-1 drivers are "special" people.
   >
   >> On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Boyd Casey <[9]boyd411 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >>
   >> Like "they" say," it's not over until the fat lady sings" . Lots of
   people are quick to count people out. Schumacher is a fighter . Seeing
    him overcome the odds is an inspiration to people every where who are
   facing uphill battles. I wish him Gods Speed and a full recovery!
   >>
   >> Boyd
   >>
   >>
   >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, John Donahue via DeTomaso
   <[10]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
   >> He is out of his coma and going to rehab. Remarkable!!!
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