[DeTomaso] Need temp sender part number
Jim Gray
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Fri Jul 11 11:44:04 EDT 2014
Does your car have the resister in the wire from the sender? Not sure when Ford added that. AIU it was added to make everyone more comfortable even when the car was getting quite hot.
On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:05 AM, Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
Back in September of 2013 Asa Jay Laughton recommended an Echlin TS6628
(he added an extra "S" - see e-mail chain below) for a replacement
temperature sender for a car with a 260 F temperature gauge. Well, as
luck would have it, I have a 230 F gauge on 5332. But, talked to
Dennis with Panty Perf - he said he used the same sender for both
gauges.
So, I ran right down to NAPA and bought one. And set up an experiment
to compare the new one with the sender that came with my car:
[cid:image001.jpg at 01CF9CD6.41653580]
Had a mechanical temperature gauge (checked calibration - showed 211
with water boiling) and both senders in the aluminum cup with water
covering up to the threads on the senders and with the mechanical
temperature gauge down in the water. Used the screw driver to stir the
water. Checked resistance (using an ohm meter) and readings on the
gauge in the car at a range of temperatures.
Used two ohm meters to check resistivity of the two senders, but found
the digital Fluke to be the most repeatable.
Yup - my original sender was toast. With 200F water it indicated 125
to 160 on the gauge in the car. It sort of wandered slowly around.
With 116F water it showed 90 on the gauge in the car.
Then I took the data on the new sender and plotted it in Excel:
[cid:image002.jpg at 01CF9CD6.41653580]
Bottom line - the new sender showed 195F on the gauge with boiling
water. That is, assuming the hash mark between the 160 and 230 is 195,
and the hack between 90 and 160 is 125. With the sender immersed in
boiling water the gauge read right on the upper hack mark.
[cid:image004.jpg at 01CF9CD6.41653580]
Or - well, perhaps the upper hack mark is meant to be the boiling point
of water. I tried a linear interpolation for the hash marks - bottom
one came out 115 F, top one 205 F. So, given the inaccuracies of both
my work and the real world - looks like maybe the top hash is meant to
be the boiling point of water. The bottom one? Well, I checked, 115 F
translates to 46 C. No help there. But then too, since when do we
care about accurate engine temperatures down around 100 F anyway.
Whilst I realize this is all pretty rough, and I am sure someone else
could do a lot better job of it (and that I will hear lots of
suggestions on how to improve on it), at least it gives me a clue where
my car's temperature gauge sits with the new sender.
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at poca.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 6:39 AM
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Need temp sender part number
Echlin TSS6628 from Napa is what I purchased for use in my 1973 L
model,
and it appears to be accurate enough. Bill's gearhead database shows
two different models and this is the one right for my car as far as I
can tell.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
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On 9/4/2013 2:07 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
> And the Borg Warner number is WT386....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:50, Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>> I'll give you all the numbers.
>> D0ZZ 10884-A SW-925 on block
>> D0WY 10884-A SW-924 on pressure tank
>> Forest
>>
>> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:19 AM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Need temp sender part number
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Can somebody look I the orange cover Ford parts book and give me the
part number for the water temp sender for a 260 degree gauge? It's
listed in the cooling section I believe.
>>
>> I'm at work and don't have access to my own book, and need to pick
one up for a guy on my way home for a Pantera owner in Spain. Napa auto
parts can cross reference the number to a current offering.
>>
>> I don't need the actual D16Y (or whatever) part number; what I need
is the number found in the description of the part.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Does your car have the resister in the wire from the sender? Not sure
when Ford added that. AIU it was added to make everyone more
comfortable even when the car was getting quite hot.
On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:05 AM, Stephen Nelson <steve at snclocks.com>
wrote:
Back in September of 2013 Asa Jay Laughton recommended an Echlin
TS6628
(he added an extra "S" - see e-mail chain below) for a replacement
temperature sender for a car with a 260 F temperature gauge. Well,
as
luck would have it, I have a 230 F gauge on 5332. But, talked to
Dennis with Panty Perf - he said he used the same sender for both
gauges.
So, I ran right down to NAPA and bought one. And set up an
experiment
to compare the new one with the sender that came with my car:
[cid:[1]image001.jpg at 01CF9CD6.41653580]
Had a mechanical temperature gauge (checked calibration - showed 211
with water boiling) and both senders in the aluminum cup with water
covering up to the threads on the senders and with the mechanical
temperature gauge down in the water. Used the screw driver to stir
the
water. Checked resistance (using an ohm meter) and readings on the
gauge in the car at a range of temperatures.
Used two ohm meters to check resistivity of the two senders, but
found
the digital Fluke to be the most repeatable.
Yup - my original sender was toast. With 200F water it indicated 125
to 160 on the gauge in the car. It sort of wandered slowly around.
With 116F water it showed 90 on the gauge in the car.
Then I took the data on the new sender and plotted it in Excel:
[cid:[2]image002.jpg at 01CF9CD6.41653580]
Bottom line - the new sender showed 195F on the gauge with boiling
water. That is, assuming the hash mark between the 160 and 230 is
195,
and the hack between 90 and 160 is 125. With the sender immersed in
boiling water the gauge read right on the upper hack mark.
[cid:[3]image004.jpg at 01CF9CD6.41653580]
Or - well, perhaps the upper hack mark is meant to be the boiling
point
of water. I tried a linear interpolation for the hash marks - bottom
one came out 115 F, top one 205 F. So, given the inaccuracies of
both
my work and the real world - looks like maybe the top hash is meant
to
be the boiling point of water. The bottom one? Well, I checked, 115
F
translates to 46 C. No help there. But then too, since when do we
care about accurate engine temperatures down around 100 F anyway.
Whilst I realize this is all pretty rough, and I am sure someone else
could do a lot better job of it (and that I will hear lots of
suggestions on how to improve on it), at least it gives me a clue
where
my car's temperature gauge sits with the new sender.
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: [4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com
[mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 6:39 AM
To: [6]detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Need temp sender part number
Echlin TSS6628 from Napa is what I purchased for use in my 1973 L
model,
and it appears to be accurate enough. Bill's gearhead database shows
two different models and this is the one right for my car as far as I
can tell.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
[7]http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
[8]http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
[9]http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 9/4/2013 2:07 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
> And the Borg Warner number is WT386....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:50, Forest Goodhart <[10]forestg at att.net>
wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>> I'll give you all the numbers.
>> D0ZZ 10884-A SW-925 on block
>> D0WY 10884-A SW-924 on pressure tank
>> Forest
>>
>> From: Mike Drew <[11]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> To: [12]detomaso at poca.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:19 AM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Need temp sender part number
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Can somebody look I the orange cover Ford parts book and give me
the
part number for the water temp sender for a 260 degree gauge? It's
listed in the cooling section I believe.
>>
>> I'm at work and don't have access to my own book, and need to pick
one up for a guy on my way home for a Pantera owner in Spain. Napa
auto
parts can cross reference the number to a current offering.
>>
>> I don't need the actual D16Y (or whatever) part number; what I
need
is the number found in the description of the part.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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