[DeTomaso] LPC: Radar in the rain
michael at michaelshortt.com
michael at michaelshortt.com
Tue Dec 16 21:51:14 EST 2014
For your consideration,
I think it is horse pucky.
Michael
*Light helicopters*
*UH-1H*: $835 per flight hour* [1]*
<http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Mar/Armys_Old.htm>
*Huey II*: $535 per flight hour* [2]*
<http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Mar/Armys_Old.htm>
*S-76*: $1,178 per flight hour (based on 2003 exchange rate of 7.7 $HK /
USD) *[6]* <http://www.budget.gov.hk/2003/eng/head166.pdf>
*EC 155 Dauphin*: $1,157 per flight hour (based on 2003 exchange rate of
7.7 $HK / USD) *[7]* <http://www.budget.gov.hk/2003/eng/head166.pdf>
*HH-65 Dolphin*: $5,173 per flight hour (US Coast Guard version) *[7]*
<http://www.uscg.mil/d13/publicaffairs/news/feature_stories/false_distress_page.htm>
*Medium-lift helicopters*
*UH-60 Blackhawk*: $2,199 per flight hour* [3]*
<http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Mar/Armys_Old.htm>
*Mi-17*: $2,850 per flight hour* [4]*
<http://mst.texterity.com/mst/2006-1/?pg=30> (based on Croatian currency)
*AS 332 Super Puma*: $1,883 per flight hour (based on 2003 exchange rate of
7.7 $HK / USD) *[8]* <http://www.budget.gov.hk/2003/eng/head166.pdf>
*CH-47D Chinook*: $2,403 - $2,723 per flight hour *[11]*
<http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/comments/c342.htm>
*Heavy-lift helicopters*
*CH-53E Super Stallion*: $20,000 per flight hour *[5]*
<http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2007/05/ch53k-the-us-marines-hlr-helicopter-program-updated/index.php>
*Attack helicopters*
*AH-64 Apache*: $3,851 per flight hour *[9]*
<http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/rotary.htm>
*AH-1S Cobra*: $1,569 - $1,757 per flight hour *[10]*
<http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/comments/c342.htm>
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Agreed. It is the 1033 program.
>
> I found the article on google. There was a story from 2011 that
> appeared to be the original, and the rest seemed to be repeats.
>
> I'm not surprised about the military transferring surplus to local law
> enforcement. It makes sense, especially if the local law enforcement
> has a need for the equipment.
>
> An accounting hole is also probably being exploited.
>
> I just don't buy that they transfer the big, dangerous, obnoxious
> stuff.
>
> From: Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, December 15, 2014 at 11:36 PM
> To: "[2]michael at michaelshortt.com" <[3]michael at michaelshortt.com>
> Cc: Will Kooiman <[4]will.kooiman at gmail.com>, "[5]detomaso at poca.com"
> <[6]detomaso at poca.com>, Larry Finch <[7]fresnofinches at aol.com>, Mike
> Drew <[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LPC: Radar in the rain
>
> I know you can't believe anything you read on the net half of what you
> read in the paper and a pct of what you see on TV and the Idea of a
> Florida police department having 8 Apache helicopters (or 1) is beyond
> belief there are numerous stories on Google that are very current,
> Here is one
> link[9]http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/20/use-online-database-find
> -military-equipment-local-police-department-stockpiling/
> Do your own search and you will find many more. Regardless if the
> Apache story is true or not the fact that the D.O.D. is transferring
> tons of military equipment to municipal police departments is a fact.
> Boyd
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM, [10]michael at michaelshortt.com
> <[11]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
>
> I know a guy that owns eight (8) Cobra Helicopters, used for
> personal toys and sometime film work. They are a tinker toys
> compared to an Apache, flying cost of one is in the same range per
> hour as a fighter jet. Lots of them here flying overhead on a daily
> basis, I do not believe that any municipal department could afford
> to maintain one, much less several.
>
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Dec 15, 2014 9:35 PM, "Will Kooiman" <[12]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The article was from 2011, and since we haven't heard any reports
> of
> tanks blowing up in Florida, I'd say they aren't being used.
> The article was so old, I couldn't find any fact check
> information on
> it.
> If you've ever seen an Apache, you'd realize just how ridiculous
> this
> story is. An Apache is a tank killer, and it is a super bad at ss
> one at
> that. It has no place in civilian use.
> If the evidence is real (8 helicopters at $18M each), then maybe
> it is
> a coverup for something else - like embezzlement. That makes a
> lot
> more sense than civilian attack helicopters.
> From: Boyd Casey <[1][13]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, December 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM
> To: Will Kooiman <[2][14]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Mike Drew <[3][15]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
> "[4][16]detomaso at poca.com"
> <[5][17]detomaso at poca.com>, Larry Finch
> <[6][18]fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LPC: Radar in the rain
> The article said they received 8 Apaches which suggest to me that
> their plans are for more then a "static display".
> As I pointed out in my post I have no verification of this
> information
> so we don't know if it is factual or not.
> Boyd
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Will Kooiman
> <[7][19]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don(c)oet think they get military surplus because they need
> it.
> They accept the surplus because the military wants to get rid
> of
> their
> surplus.
> Now, whether they accepted an Apache or not, I rather doubt it.
> Aircraft
> are expensive to maintain. They wouldn(c)oet accept an Apache
> unless they
> planned on turning it into a non-functioning display.
> That(c)oes
> more likely
> Internet garbage.
>
> On 12/14/14, 1:13 PM, "Boyd Casey" <[8][20]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The current reality makes George Orwell's "1984" look like a
> fairy
> > tale, and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. I'm all for
> "the
> > rule of law" andA "Law and Order" but America was never
> supposed to be
> > about living in a police state. I recently read that a
> municipal
> police
> > department obtained some surplus Apache helicopters from the
> D.O.D.,(
> > Knowing you can't take what you read as fact ,) it still begs
> the
> > question What does a police department in America need with
> Apache
> > helicopters designed to take out tanks ( hellfire missiles and
> Gatling
> > cannon that fire depleted uranium armor piercing shells?) What
> are they
> > planning for or what do they expect? The prospects of what's
> around the
> > corner are very frightening. The continued push to upscale the
> armament
> > levels of the police and the attemptA to disarm the public
> makes theA
> > 2nd amendment fringe groups seem like they are not as far out
> on
> the
> > fringe as the media attempts to portray.
> > I feel safe in saying this is not what the members of my
> family
> who
> > dedicated large parts of their lives (or gave their lives) had
> in mind
> > nor do I suspect did you when you put on the uniform.
> > Hugh
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Mike Drew
>
> <[1][9][21]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Boyd,
> > All it would take would be one public-spirited citizen
> with a
> big
> > shotgun or rifle to put those speed cameras right and
> then all
> would
> > be good in your corner of the world. :)
> > England is especially fond of speed cameras. For awhile,
> charitable
> > people were hanging old tires from the camera boxes,
> pouring
> gas
> > into them and then setting them on fire. While these
> Robin
> Hoods
> > were celebrated by the people, the government didn't have
> much
> of a
> > sense of humor about it, and a few people got very long
> prison
> > sentences (5-10 yrs maybe?) after the cops set up cameras
> to
> look AT
> > the cameras and used those to track down the rebels. Once
> word
> got
> > out about that, the practice pretty much died out....
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:18, Boyd Casey
>
> <[2][10][22]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >A A The benefit (to the police) of the radar gun is it's
> "instant
> > on" which
> > >A A makes a radar detector all but useless. (unless as
> Larry
> said
> > you are
> > >A A fortunate enough to have the police try to get someone
> in
> > front of you
> > >A A and your detector picks up the residual signal. Other
> wise by
> > the time
> > >A A you hear the warning you have already been clocked!
> > >A A A A A A A AA On a side note there has been a recent
> > development here on
> > >A A long Island concerning photo radar. Apparently the
> authorities
> > >A A installed a bunch of photo radar traps in the area
> while
> I was
> > in the
> > >A A hospital.They neglected to put up any warning signs.
> With in a
> > two
> > >A A weeks of my release from the hospital I got to school
> zone
> > tickets 31
> > >A A in a 20 and 33 in a 20 $80 each (no points or any
> other
> > penalty just
> > >A A cash).
> > >A A The area where I got nailed is at the same high school
> I
> > graduated from
> > >A A and it has a huge piece of property with several acres
> > containing a
> > >A A baseball diamond , a football field (with stands) a
> soccer
> > field , it's
> > >A A huge! The school zone signs don't encompass the entire
> > property. The
> > >A A end around a 1/4 of a mile past the intersection near
> the
> > school's main
> > >A A entrance. The road that runs along the athletic fields
> (that
> > has no
> > >A A intersections and people generally drive around 40
> mph)
> is
> > where they
> > >A A installed to Photo radar array. This is the spot where
> they
> > got me.
> > >A A Apparently this has happened all over the county and
> the
> > public has
> > >A A freaked out. So last week they announced that signs
> would be
> > going up
> > >A A and anybody that was ticketed before the signage was
> in
> place
> > will be
> > >A A getting their tickets rescinded and their fines
> refunded. So
> > that was
> > >A A good news for me!
> > >A A Boyd
> > >
> > >A A On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Larry Finch via
> DeTomaso
>
> > >A A <[1][3][11][23]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >A A A AA A Tomas wrote -
> > >A A A I know that the camera boxes use radar but does
> anyone use
> > >A A A manually operated radar anymore? I thought they had
> all
> > changed to
> > >A A A laser guns.
> > >A A A -----
> > >A A A Here in CA, the CHP uses radar (Ka band) and laser.
> > >A A A As I understand it, laser must be from a stationary
> > position and
> > >A A A very close to a
> > >A A A A straight (not from an angle) shot at the target.
> >
> > >A A A I've seen them hiding on highway overpasses to get
> that
> > position.
> > >A A A Radar now all appears to be instant-on, though some
> officers
> > drive
> > >A A A with it alway
> > >A A A s on.
> > >A A A Radar is not as picky about the aim of the signal,
> and
> works
> > just
> > >A A A fine from a mo
> > >A A A ving vehicle.
> > >A A A With my Valentine, I find that as long as there is an
> > >A A A ahead-of-me-rabbit to moti
> > >A A A vate a Chipie to hit his instant-on, the scatter from
> that
> > radar
> > >A A A burst
> > >A A A will trip my detector up to over two miles ahead.
> > >A A A Same benefit from a radar sitiuated behind you, and
> with the
> > >A A A Valentine you'll kn
> > >A A A ow the direction to look.
> > >A A A Headed up the 101 years ago to a PCNC meeting, moving
> at a
> > 'brisk'
> > >A A A rate, the rea
> > >A A A r arrows lit up with plenty of time
> > >A A A to slow down and thus frustrate the CHP motorcycle
> officer who
> > paced
> > >A A A in my RH bl
> > >A A A ind spot for several miles until he finally gave up
> > >A A A and moved ahead of me.
> > >A A A Cat and mouse at its finest. :-)
> > >A A A YMMV
> > >A A A Larry - "Why no, officer, I don't know why you pulled
> me over,
> > >A A A Perhaps you thoug
> > >A A A ht I had some donuts?"
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For your consideration,
I think it is horse pucky.
Michael
Light helicopters
UH-1H: $835 per flight hour[1]A [1]
Huey II: $535 per flight hour[2]A [2]
S-76: $1,178 per flight hour (based on 2003 exchange rate of 7.7 $HK /
USD)A [3][6]
EC 155 Dauphin: $1,157 per flight hour (based on 2003 exchange rate of
7.7 $HK / USD)A [4][7]
HH-65 Dolphin: $5,173 per flight hour (US Coast Guard version)A [5][7]
Medium-lift helicopters
UH-60 Blackhawk: $2,199 per flight hour[6]A [3]
Mi-17: $2,850 per flight hour[7]A [4]A (based on Croatian currency)
AS 332 Super Puma: $1,883 per flight hour (based on 2003 exchange rate
of 7.7 $HK / USD)A [8][8]
CH-47D Chinook: $2,403 - $2,723 per flight hourA [9][11]
Heavy-lift helicopters
CH-53E Super Stallion: $20,000 per flight hourA [10][5]
Attack helicopters
AH-64 Apache: $3,851 per flight hourA [11][9]
AH-1S Cobra: $1,569 - $1,757 per flight hourA [12][10]
Read
more:A [13]http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/helicop
ters-cost-ownership-6315/#ixzz3M7TxZ4F4
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Will Kooiman
<[14]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
A A Agreed.A It is the 1033 program.
A A I found the article on google.A There was a story from 2011
that
A A appeared to be the original, and the rest seemed to be repeats.
A A I'm not surprised about the military transferring surplus to
local law
A A enforcement.A It makes sense, especially if the local law
enforcement
A A has a need for the equipment.
A A An accounting hole is also probably being exploited.
A A I just don't buy that they transfer the big, dangerous,
obnoxious
A A stuff.
A A From: Boyd Casey <[1][15]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A Date: Monday, December 15, 2014 at 11:36 PM
A A To: "[2][16]michael at michaelshortt.com"
<[3][17]michael at michaelshortt.com>
A A Cc: Will Kooiman <[4][18]will.kooiman at gmail.com>,
"[5][19]detomaso at poca.com"
A A <[6][20]detomaso at poca.com>, Larry Finch
<[7][21]fresnofinches at aol.com>, Mike
A A Drew <[8][22]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LPC: Radar in the rain
A A I know you can't believe anything you read on the net half of
what you
A A read in the paper and a pct of what you see on TV and the Idea
of a
A A Florida police department having 8 Apache helicopters (or 1) is
beyond
A A belief there are numerous stories on Google that are very
current,
A A Here is one
A
A link[9][23]http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/20/use-online-data
base-find
A A -military-equipment-local-police-department-stockpiling/
A A Do your own search and you will find many more. Regardless if
the
A A Apache story is true or not the fact that the D.O.D. is
transferring
A A tons of military equipment to municipal police departments is a
fact.
A A Boyd
A A On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM,
[10][24]michael at michaelshortt.com
A A <[11][25]michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
A A A I know a guy that owns eight (8) Cobra Helicopters, used for
A A A personal toys and sometime film work.A They are a tinker
toys
A A A compared to an Apache, flying cost of one is in the same
range per
A A A hour as a fighter jet. Lots of them here flying overhead on
a daily
A A A basis, I do not believe that any municipal department could
afford
A A A to maintain one, much less several.
A A A Michael Shortt
A A On Dec 15, 2014 9:35 PM, "Will Kooiman"
<[12][26]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A A The article was from 2011, and since we haven't heard
any reports
A A A of
A A A A tanks blowing up in Florida, I'd say they aren't being
used.
A A A A The article was so old, I couldn't find any fact check
A A A information on
A A A A it.
A A A A If you've ever seen an Apache, you'd realize just how
ridiculous
A A A this
A A A A story is.A An Apache is a tank killer, and it is a
super bad at ss
A A A one at
A A A A that.A It has no place in civilian use.
A A A A If the evidence is real (8 helicopters at $18M each),
then maybe
A A A it is
A A A A a coverup for something else - like embezzlement.A That
makes a
A A A lot
A A A A more sense than civilian attack helicopters.
A A A A From: Boyd Casey <[1][13][27]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A A A Date: Monday, December 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM
A A A A To: Will Kooiman <[2][14][28]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A A A Cc: Mike Drew <[3][15][29]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
A A A "[4][16][30]detomaso at poca.com"
A A A A <[5][17][31]detomaso at poca.com>, Larry Finch
A A A <[6][18][32]fresnofinches at aol.com>
A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] LPC: Radar in the rain
A A A A The article said they received 8 Apaches which suggest
to me that
A A A A their plans are for more then a "static display".
A A A A As I pointed out in my post I have no verification of
this
A A A information
A A A A so we don't know if it is factual or not.
A A A A Boyd
A A A A On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Will Kooiman
A A A A <[7][19][33]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A A A I don(c)oet think they get military surplus because
they need
A A A it.
A A A A A They accept the surplus because the military wants to
get rid
A A A of
A A A A A their
A A A A A surplus.
A A A A A Now, whether they accepted an Apache or not, I rather
doubt it.
A A A A A Aircraft
A A A A A are expensive to maintain.A They wouldn(c)oet accept
an Apache
A A A A A unless they
A A A A A planned on turning it into a non-functioning display.
A A A That(c)oes
A A A A A more likely
A A A A A Internet garbage.
A A A A On 12/14/14, 1:13 PM, "Boyd Casey"
<[8][20][34]boyd411 at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A A >A A The current reality makes George Orwell's "1984"
look like a
A A A A fairy
A A A A >A A tale, and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.
I'm all for
A A A A "the
A A A A >A A rule of law" andAA "Law and Order" but America
was never
A A A A supposed to be
A A A A >A A about living in a police state. I recently read
that a
A A municipal
A A A A police
A A A A >A A department obtained some surplus Apache
helicopters from the
A A A A D.O.D.,(
A A A A >A A Knowing you can't take what you read as fact ,) it
still begs
A A A A the
A A A A >A A question What does a police department in America
need with
A A A A Apache
A A A A >A A helicopters designed to take out tanks ( hellfire
missiles and
A A A A Gatling
A A A A >A A cannon that fire depleted uranium armor piercing
shells?) What
A A A A are they
A A A A >A A planning for or what do they expect? The prospects
of what's
A A A A around the
A A A A >A A corner are very frightening. The continued push to
upscale the
A A A A armament
A A A A >A A levels of the police and the attemptAA to disarm
the public
A A A A makes theA
A A A A >A A 2nd amendment fringe groups seem like they are not
as far out
A A on
A A A A the
A A A A >A A fringe as the media attempts to portray.
A A A A >A A I feel safe in saying this is not what the members
of my
A A family
A A A A who
A A A A >A A dedicated large parts of their lives (or gave
their lives) had
A A A A in mind
A A A A >A A nor do I suspect did you when you put on the
uniform.
A A A A >A A Hugh
A A A A >
A A A A >A A On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Mike Drew
A A A A A <[1][9][21][35]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A A A A >A A wrote:
A A A A A >
A A A A A >A A A Boyd,
A A A A A >A A A All it would take would be one
public-spirited citizen
A A A with a
A A A A A big
A A A A A >A A A shotgun or rifle to put those speed cameras
right and
A A A then all
A A A A A would
A A A A A >A A A be good in your corner of the world. :)
A A A A A >A A A England is especially fond of speed cameras.
For awhile,
A A A A A charitable
A A A A A >A A A people were hanging old tires from the
camera boxes,
A A A pouring
A A A A A gas
A A A A A >A A A into them and then setting them on fire.
While these
A A A Robin
A A A A A Hoods
A A A A A >A A A were celebrated by the people, the
government didn't have
A A A much
A A A A A of a
A A A A A >A A A sense of humor about it, and a few people
got very long
A A A prison
A A A A A >A A A sentences (5-10 yrs maybe?) after the cops
set up cameras
A A A to
A A A A A look AT
A A A A A >A A A the cameras and used those to track down the
rebels. Once
A A A word
A A A A A got
A A A A A >A A A out about that, the practice pretty much
died out....
A A A A A >A A A Mike
A A A A A >A A A Sent from my iPhone
A A A A A >A A A On Dec 14, 2014, at 11:18, Boyd Casey
A A A A <[2][10][22][36]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A A >A A A >AA A The benefit (to the police) of the radar
gun is it's
A A A A "instant
A A A A >A A A on" which
A A A A >A A A >AA A makes a radar detector all but useless.
(unless as
A A Larry
A A A A said
A A A A >A A A you are
A A A A >A A A >AA A fortunate enough to have the police try
to get someone
A A A A in
A A A A >A A A front of you
A A A A >A A A >AA A and your detector picks up the residual
signal. Other
A A A A wise by
A A A A >A A A the time
A A A A >A A A >AA A you hear the warning you have already
been clocked!
A A A A >A A A >AA A A A A A A AAA On a side note there has
been a recent
A A A A >A A A development here on
A A A A >A A A >AA A long Island concerning photo radar.
Apparently the
A A A A authorities
A A A A >A A A >AA A installed a bunch of photo radar traps
in the area
A A while
A A A A I was
A A A A >A A A in the
A A A A >A A A >AA A hospital.They neglected to put up any
warning signs.
A A A A With in a
A A A A >A A A two
A A A A >A A A >AA A weeks of my release from the hospital I
got to school
A A A A zone
A A A A >A A A tickets 31
A A A A >A A A >AA A in a 20 and 33 in a 20 $80 each (no
points or any
A A other
A A A A >A A A penalty just
A A A A >A A A >AA A cash).
A A A A >A A A >AA A The area where I got nailed is at the
same high school
A A I
A A A A >A A A graduated from
A A A A >A A A >AA A and it has a huge piece of property with
several acres
A A A A >A A A containing a
A A A A >A A A >AA A baseball diamond , a football field
(with stands) a
A A A A soccer
A A A A >A A A field , it's
A A A A >A A A >AA A huge! The school zone signs don't
encompass the entire
A A A A >A A A property. The
A A A A >A A A >AA A end around a 1/4 of a mile past the
intersection near
A A A A the
A A A A >A A A school's main
A A A A >A A A >AA A entrance. The road that runs along the
athletic fields
A A A A (that
A A A A >A A A has no
A A A A >A A A >AA A intersections and people generally drive
around 40
A A mph)
A A A A is
A A A A >A A A where they
A A A A >A A A >AA A installed to Photo radar array. This is
the spot where
A A A A they
A A A A >A A A got me.
A A A A >A A A >AA A Apparently this has happened all over
the county and
A A the
A A A A >A A A public has
A A A A >A A A >AA A freaked out. So last week they announced
that signs
A A A A would be
A A A A >A A A going up
A A A A >A A A >AA A and anybody that was ticketed before the
signage was
A A in
A A A A place
A A A A >A A A will be
A A A A >A A A >AA A getting their tickets rescinded and
their fines
A A A A refunded. So
A A A A >A A A that was
A A A A >A A A >AA A good news for me!
A A A A >A A A >AA A Boyd
A A A A >A A A >
A A A A >A A A >AA A On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Larry
Finch via
A A A A DeTomaso
A A A A >A A A >AA A <[1][3][11][23][37]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
A A A A >A A A >
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A AAA A Tomas wrote -
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A I know that the camera boxes use
radar but does
A A A A anyone use
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A manually operated radar anymore? I
thought they had
A A A A all
A A A A >A A A changed to
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A laser guns.
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A -----
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A Here in CA, the CHP uses radar (Ka
band) and laser.
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A As I understand it, laser must be
from a stationary
A A A A >A A A position and
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A very close to a
A A A A >A A A >AA AA A A straight (not from an angle) shot
at the target.
A A A A >
A A A A >A A >AA AA A I've seen them hiding on highway
overpasses to get
A A that
A A A A >A A position.
A A A A >A A >AA AA A Radar now all appears to be instant-on,
though some
A A A A officers
A A A A >A A drive
A A A A >A A >AA AA A with it alway
A A A A >A A >AA AA A s on.
A A A A >A A >AA AA A Radar is not as picky about the aim of
the signal,
A A and
A A A A works
A A A A >A A just
A A A A >A A >AA AA A fine from a mo
A A A A >A A >AA AA A ving vehicle.
A A A A >A A >AA AA A With my Valentine, I find that as long
as there is an
A A A A >A A >AA AA A ahead-of-me-rabbit to moti
A A A A >A A >AA AA A vate a Chipie to hit his instant-on,
the scatter from
A A A A that
A A A A >A A radar
A A A A >A A >AA AA A burst
A A A A >A A >AA AA A will trip my detector up to over two
miles ahead.
A A A A >A A >AA AA A Same benefit from a radar sitiuated
behind you, and
A A A A with the
A A A A >A A >AA AA A Valentine you'll kn
A A A A >A A >AA AA A ow the direction to look.
A A A A >A A >AA AA A Headed up the 101 years ago to a PCNC
meeting, moving
A A A A at a
A A A A >A A 'brisk'
A A A A >A A >AA AA A rate, the rea
A A A A >A A >AA AA A r arrows lit up with plenty of time
A A A A >A A >AA AA A to slow down and thus frustrate the CHP
motorcycle
A A A A officer who
A A A A >A A paced
A A A A >A A >AA AA A in my RH bl
A A A A >A A >AA AA A ind spot for several miles until he
finally gave up
A A A A >A A >AA AA A and moved ahead of me.
A A A A >A A >AA AA A Cat and mouse at its finest. :-)
A A A A >A A >AA AA A YMMV
A A A A >A A >AA AA A Larry - "Why no, officer, I don't know
why you pulled
A A A A me over,
A A A A >A A >AA AA A Perhaps you thoug
A A A A >A A >AA AA A ht I had some donuts?"
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